Creationists

[Youwerecreated]

I thought it was worth educating you on some history regarding your hero, Henry Morris of the ICR, himself, something of a rascist and to educate you on some recent history of christianity and ties to rascism.


CA005: Evolution and racism

Claim CA005:

Evolution promotes racism.

Source:
Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 179.


Response:

1. When properly understood, evolution refutes racism. Before Darwin, people used typological thinking for living things, considering different plants and animals to be their distinct "kinds." This gave rise to a misleading conception of human races, in which different races are thought of as separate and distinct. Darwinism helps eliminate typological thinking and with it the basis for racism.

2. Genetic studies show that humans are remarkably homogeneous genetically, so all humans are only one biological race. Evolution does not teach racism; it teaches the very opposite.

3. Racism is thousands of years older than the theory of evolution, and its prevalence has probably decreased since Darwin's day; certainly slavery is much less now. That is the opposite of what we would expect if evolution promotes racism.

4. Darwin himself was far less racist than most of his contemporaries.

5. Although creationism is not inherently racist, it is based upon and inseparable from religious bigotry, and religious bigotry is no less hateful and harmful than racism.

6. Racism historically has been closely associated with creationism (Moore 2004), as is evident in the following examples:

• George McCready Price, who is to young-earth creationism what Darwin is to evolution, was much more racist than Darwin. He wrote, The poor little fellow who went to the south Got lost in the forests dank; His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat And scorched his hair with its tropic heat, And his mind became a blank.

In The Phantom of Organic Evolution, he referred to Negroes and Mongolians as degenerate humans (Numbers 1992, 85).

• During much of the long history of apartheid in South Africa, evolution was not allowed to be taught .

The Christian National Education system, formalized in 1948 and accepted as national policy from 1967 to 1993, stated, among other things, that white children should 'receive a separate education from black children to prepare them for their respective superior and inferior positions in South African social and economic life, and all education should be based on Christian National principles' (Esterhuysen and Smith 1998).


The policy excluded the concept of evolution, taught a version of history that negatively characterized non-whites, and made Bible education, including the teaching of creationism, and religious assemblies compulsory (Esterhuysen and Smith 1998).

• The Bible Belt in the southern United States fought hardest to maintain slavery.

• Henry Morris, of the Institute for Creation Research, has in the past read racism into his interpretation of the Bible:
Sometimes the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have even become actual slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane, practical matters, they have often eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites (Morris 1976, 241).


7. None of this matters to the science of evolution.

Links:

Trott, Richard and Jim Lippard, 2003. Creationism implies racism? Creationism Implies Racism?
References:
1. Esterhuysen, Amanda and Jeannette Smith, 1998. Evolution: 'the forbidden word'? South African Archaeological Bulletin 53: 135-137. Quoted from Stear, J., 2004. It's official! Racism is an integral part of creationist dogma. It's Official! Racism is an Integral Part of Creationist Dogma
2. Moore, R., 2004. (see below)
3. Morris, Henry M., 1976. The Genesis Record: A Scientific and Devotional Commentary on the Book of Beginnings. San Diego: Creation-Life Publishers.
4. Numbers, Ronald L., 1992, The Creationists, New York: Knopf.


Further Reading:
Mayr, Ernst, 2000. Darwin's influence on modern thought. Scientific American 283(1) (Jul.): 78-83.

Moore, Randy, 2004. The dark side of creationism. The American Biology Teacher 66(2): 85-87.

How strange that you would include Hitler as a racist. Hitler and Nazi ideology were closely linked with christianity.

Don't try this again,guilt by association. I am a christian that believe all men are equal and I have not crossed paths with this true Christian that is considered a racist. Do you understand how many Christians put themselves in harms way to help aficans and muslims ? you're just simply barking up the wrong tree. Are there bad people in Christianity you bet and God warned us there were.

The theory of evolution teaches what I claimed. They may have finally accepted that aficans and everyone that has been descriminated against are truly humans but they did and do teach they are less evolved. If whites evolved from aficans as has been claimed who are further evolved ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

More of the wonderful christians leading the charge into the Dark Ages.




Creationism Gets a Dash of Anti-Semitism

Creationism Gets a Dash of Anti-Semitism | Southern Poverty Law Center

Do you think the theory of evolution is a Satanic plot to bring about the New World Order? Are you worried that Darwin's idea produced "Communism, Socialism, Naziism, abortion, liberalism and the New Age Movement?" Then Dr. Kent Hovind is for you.

Hovind, who runs the Creation Science Evangelism ministry from Pensacola, Fla., says the whole Bible is literally true and that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. While that may seem par for the creationist course, Hovind also sells anti-Semitic books like Fourth Reich of the Rich and has recommended The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a book blaming the world's problems on a Jewish conspiracy.

Environmentalism and income taxes, Hovind says, are designed to destroy the United States and "bring it under Communism." "Democracy," he says, "is evil and contrary to God's law."

Every religion has fundamentalists bordering on extremism; Hovind is notable for his wide reception and for his promulgating of conspiracy theories favored by the antigovernment "Patriot" movement.

I believe atheism has done everything in it's power to warp peoples minds against God yes. They don't know whose influence they are under . It is the true evil one spoken of long ago.

 

[Youwerecreated]

neanderthals are not humans, if you are defining humans as homo sapiens sapiens. Neanderthals are Homo Neanderthalensis. See that? Different name. It is that simple. Just understand that. please. you are trying to change reality to fit your viewpoint. it is pathetic. they are a hominid species, closely related to modern humans, and in fact, could be considered a sub-species, but they are not human, by definition. You wouldn't call a poodle a doberman, would you? same thing. I emplore you to find one scientist that believes they are.

No that is exactly what evolutionists do is put organisms in to classifications if they put the neanderthal in to a different group they can use that as evidence of evolution. Neanderthals are human and the more research that is done on this group they grow closer and closer to humans it's because they are human. Please point out something that is not found in humans that is found in neanderthals ?

So are you suggesting there are different breeds of humans ? A canine is a canine even though they look different. A human is a human even though they look a little different.

Neanderthals are humans that were discovered in neander valley Germany. What is so different about them that they are not human ?

So, you are claiming the classification system is conspiratorial? You are a constant source of facepalm. I don't even know why I bother with such astounding ignorance. Willful ignorance, actually.

Neanderthals are classified differently because they were separate from humans for a long time, and development distinct morphological traits. They left africa far before we did and lived in Europe until we met up with them again when we came out of africa many years later.

Btw, using the "breeds" analogy was exactly that. An A-N-A-L-O-G-Y, to help your dumbass understand.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_565174&feature=iv&src_vid=2kLSiE-eNjw&v=wj0qx56cwOw]The Sex Lives of Early Humans - YouTube[/ame]

You are blinded by ignorance and I don't need your warped education. I have already been there and have seen my way through the ignorance being taught to you kids these days.

 

[ima]

Yes I believe neanderthals went extinct during the global flood why do you say they went extinct ?

If you're talking about them going extinct during the Noah flood, then Hollie, you're arguing with a retard. Give it up already. This person can't think logically or critically. Kinda like a.... retard.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Creationism and Racism

Creationism Implies Racism?

Tom McIver, an anthropologist who has written several articles forCreation/Evolution, NCSE Reports, and the Skeptical Inquirer, as well as the book Anti-Evolution: An Annotated Bibliography, has a book on creationism that will be published by the Univ. of California Press. Chapter 15 of the book is titled "Creationism and Racism," and the history of connections between creationism and racism. A shorter version of the chapter will be published in a future issue of Skeptic magazine (probably the issue after next, i.e., vol. 2, no. 4).

Anyway, I wanted to share some of it here. McIver begins with a bunch of quotes from creationists who maintain that racism comes from belief in evolution--Henry Morris, Ken Ham, Bert Thompson, Malcolm Bowden, etc.--it's a pretty long list. This part really caught my eye, though:
"Evolution and racism are the same thing," declares Jerry Bergman (McIver 1990:21; see Bergman's "Evolution and the Development of Nazi Race Policy" in Bible-Science Newsletter [1988] and articles in Creation Research Society Quarterly [1980], CSSHQ [1986], and Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal [1991, 1992]).[2]

[2] Bergman has been featured in many creationist publications for his complaint that he was denied tenure and dismissed from Bowling Green State University "solely because of my beliefs and publications in the area of creationism"; a cover story, for instance, in the Creation Science Legal Defense Fund's magazine Creation ("The Jerry Bergman Story," 1984). In Bergman's The Criterion (preface by Wendell Bird, foreword by John Eidsmoe), Luther Sunderland said Bergman was fired "solely" because of his religious beliefs--his creationism (1984:64). But in a signed letter published in David Duke's National Association of White People newsletter, Bergman stated that "reverse [racial] discrimination was clearly part of the decision"--i.e., that it was not solely religious discrimination (Bergman 1985:2).

McIver goes on to look at the racism that arises from a particular interpretation of Noah's three sons and the curse on Ham, from polygenism (inferior pre-Adamite people), connections with the Ku Klux Klan, Anglo-Israelism, and the Christian Identity movement, etc. Some interesting points of connection:

• Prominent fundamentalists connected with the KKK: Bob Shuler, Billy Sunday, and Bob Jones, Sr. (McIver says that "Perhaps 40,000 fundamentalist ministers joined the Klan.")

• Prominent creationists affiliated with Bob Jones University: Emmett Williams, former editor of the Creation Research Society Quarterly and George Mulfinger, CRS board member.

• Gerald Winrod, founder of Defenders of the Christian Faith, published the "openly racist" magazine Defender, which published creationist articles by George McCready Price, W.B. Riley, and A.I. Brown. For a time, it also published Harry Rimmer's newsletter in its pages. (Riley was the leader of the World's Christian Fundamentals Association, a prominent fundamentalist group in the 1920's. He openly advocated white supremacy.)

• Charles Totten, the Yale military science instructor who came up with alleged calculations proving "Joshua's Missing Day" (later turned into an urban legend about NASA by Harold Hill), was also an advocate of British-Israelism (promoted in his journal Our Race) and a pyramidologist.

• James Gray, editor of the Moody Monthly and head of the Moody Bible Institute, was a firm believer in the genuineness of the anti-Semitic fraud Protocols of the Elders of Zion. When Henry Ford publicly apologized for a series of articles by A.J. Cameron (another British-Israelite) about the Protocols in Ford's Dearborn, Mich. newspaper, Gray claimed that Ford's apology was itself evidence of Jewish conspiracy.

• Jarah Crawford, a Vermont Assembly of God minister, claims that scientific creationism isn't creationist enough because it allows for evolution of races.

• Herman Otten, editor of Christian News, is now an advocate of Holocaust revisionism.

Today the dogma being taught by evolutionist.

Black People are Less Intelligent, Says Dr. James Watson, Nobel Prize Winner and DNA Pioneer. « T’ings ‘n Times

Low IQs are Africa's curse, says lecturer | UK news | The Observer

Harvard Student Says Blacks Genetically Inferior | Grow The Heck Up

Jean-Philippe Rushton | Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[Youwerecreated]

Yes I believe neanderthals went extinct during the global flood why do you say they went extinct ?

If you're talking about them going extinct during the Noah flood, then Hollie, you're arguing with a retard. Give it up already. This person can't think logically or critically. Kinda like a.... retard.

What a mature response then you answer the question when and why did neanderthals go extinct ?

 

[ima]

New research may show that Neanderthals did not go extinct.
DNA derived from the Neanderthals has been found in many human populations around the globe.
http://wsws.org/en/articles/2011/12/nean-d27.html

 

[Youwerecreated]

New research may show that Neanderthals did not go extinct.
DNA derived from the Neanderthals has been found in many human populations around the globe.
http://wsws.org/en/articles/2011/12/nean-d27.html

That is my point so why would they say they were a sub species of humans. We all originated from the same human parents so why wouldn't we all have neanderthal genetic data in us ? That being said they went extinct during the flood but the genes of neanderthals was in the children of Noah like it was in all humans. Races of mankind was the result of that one set of parents. There is only one human race with some variations that is all it is. No race of man is inferior to another some just have had more opportunity for living a healthy life and had the better chance for education.

 

[Hollie]

Creationism and Racism

Creationism Implies Racism?

Tom McIver, an anthropologist who has written several articles forCreation/Evolution, NCSE Reports, and the Skeptical Inquirer, as well as the book Anti-Evolution: An Annotated Bibliography, has a book on creationism that will be published by the Univ. of California Press. Chapter 15 of the book is titled "Creationism and Racism," and the history of connections between creationism and racism. A shorter version of the chapter will be published in a future issue of Skeptic magazine (probably the issue after next, i.e., vol. 2, no. 4).

Anyway, I wanted to share some of it here. McIver begins with a bunch of quotes from creationists who maintain that racism comes from belief in evolution--Henry Morris, Ken Ham, Bert Thompson, Malcolm Bowden, etc.--it's a pretty long list. This part really caught my eye, though:
"Evolution and racism are the same thing," declares Jerry Bergman (McIver 1990:21; see Bergman's "Evolution and the Development of Nazi Race Policy" in Bible-Science Newsletter [1988] and articles in Creation Research Society Quarterly [1980], CSSHQ [1986], and Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal [1991, 1992]).[2]

[2] Bergman has been featured in many creationist publications for his complaint that he was denied tenure and dismissed from Bowling Green State University "solely because of my beliefs and publications in the area of creationism"; a cover story, for instance, in the Creation Science Legal Defense Fund's magazine Creation ("The Jerry Bergman Story," 1984). In Bergman's The Criterion (preface by Wendell Bird, foreword by John Eidsmoe), Luther Sunderland said Bergman was fired "solely" because of his religious beliefs--his creationism (1984:64). But in a signed letter published in David Duke's National Association of White People newsletter, Bergman stated that "reverse [racial] discrimination was clearly part of the decision"--i.e., that it was not solely religious discrimination (Bergman 1985:2).

McIver goes on to look at the racism that arises from a particular interpretation of Noah's three sons and the curse on Ham, from polygenism (inferior pre-Adamite people), connections with the Ku Klux Klan, Anglo-Israelism, and the Christian Identity movement, etc. Some interesting points of connection:

• Prominent fundamentalists connected with the KKK: Bob Shuler, Billy Sunday, and Bob Jones, Sr. (McIver says that "Perhaps 40,000 fundamentalist ministers joined the Klan.")

• Prominent creationists affiliated with Bob Jones University: Emmett Williams, former editor of the Creation Research Society Quarterly and George Mulfinger, CRS board member.

• Gerald Winrod, founder of Defenders of the Christian Faith, published the "openly racist" magazine Defender, which published creationist articles by George McCready Price, W.B. Riley, and A.I. Brown. For a time, it also published Harry Rimmer's newsletter in its pages. (Riley was the leader of the World's Christian Fundamentals Association, a prominent fundamentalist group in the 1920's. He openly advocated white supremacy.)

• Charles Totten, the Yale military science instructor who came up with alleged calculations proving "Joshua's Missing Day" (later turned into an urban legend about NASA by Harold Hill), was also an advocate of British-Israelism (promoted in his journal Our Race) and a pyramidologist.

• James Gray, editor of the Moody Monthly and head of the Moody Bible Institute, was a firm believer in the genuineness of the anti-Semitic fraud Protocols of the Elders of Zion. When Henry Ford publicly apologized for a series of articles by A.J. Cameron (another British-Israelite) about the Protocols in Ford's Dearborn, Mich. newspaper, Gray claimed that Ford's apology was itself evidence of Jewish conspiracy.

• Jarah Crawford, a Vermont Assembly of God minister, claims that scientific creationism isn't creationist enough because it allows for evolution of races.

• Herman Otten, editor of Christian News, is now an advocate of Holocaust revisionism.

Today the dogma being taught by evolutionist.

Black People are Less Intelligent, Says Dr. James Watson, Nobel Prize Winner and DNA Pioneer. « T’ings ‘n Times

Low IQs are Africa's curse, says lecturer | UK news | The Observer

Harvard Student Says Blacks Genetically Inferior | Grow The Heck Up

Jean-Philippe Rushton | Southern Poverty Law Center

Today, the ignorance and denial being taught by creationist.

No, obviously you don’t need any education. Everything you need to know is in the bible.

What is clear is that you must reject anything that contradicts your literal account of biblical tales and fables. Facts and evidence are meaningless to the fundie Christian and willful rejection of those facts and evidences to be expected.

It’s a shame that you live within a worldview that is haunted by alleged conspiracy theories, fear and self-loathing. That said, to the substance of your post, it is not possible to reconcile the literal Biblical accounts of Adam & Eve with the evidence of human evolution. In spite of your frantic denials, reconciliation of biblical tales and fables can only be possible by interpreting Adam and Eve as allegorical rather than historical persons.

Because evolution is true, we have a host of transitional human stages.

And in fact there were so many that, even though the chance of any living animal becoming a fossil is vanishingly small, and even though the chance of any fossil being found by a modern human are smaller still, we have thousands of fossils of hundreds of individuals of these many transitional human stages.

In fact, the fossil record of human evolution is so powerful that it is as close to “proof” as you ever find in science.

Here is a partial list of the transitional forms of which we know:

Australopithecus afarensis

Australopithecus africanus

Homo habilis

Homo erectus / ergaster

Homo hiedelbergensis (archaic Homo sapiens)

This list does not include the many side branches, such as Homo neanderthalensis, Autralopithecus robustus, or Australopithecus boisei .

 

[Hollie]

New research may show that Neanderthals did not go extinct.
DNA derived from the Neanderthals has been found in many human populations around the globe.
http://wsws.org/en/articles/2011/12/nean-d27.html

That is my point so why would they say they were a sub species of humans. We all originated from the same human parents so why wouldn't we all have neanderthal genetic data in us ? That being said they went extinct during the flood but the genes of neanderthals was in the children of Noah like it was in all humans. Races of mankind was the result of that one set of parents. There is only one human race with some variations that is all it is. No race of man is inferior to another some just have had more opportunity for living a healthy life and had the better chance for education.

Unfortunately, your question confirms the willful ignorance embraced by fundie christians. Their anti-intellectualism, anti-education agenda is bolstered by their rabid conspiracy theories.

 

[Hollie]

How strange that you would include Hitler as a racist. Hitler and Nazi ideology were closely linked with christianity.

Don't try this again,guilt by association. I am a christian that believe all men are equal and I have not crossed paths with this true Christian that is considered a racist. Do you understand how many Christians put themselves in harms way to help aficans and muslims ? you're just simply barking up the wrong tree. Are there bad people in Christianity you bet and God warned us there were.

The theory of evolution teaches what I claimed. They may have finally accepted that aficans and everyone that has been descriminated against are truly humans but they did and do teach they are less evolved. If whites evolved from aficans as has been claimed who are further evolved ?

I can only judge you on your creationist views which have been shown to be racist, discriminatory and bigoted.

The Theory of Evolution teaches nothing of what you describe because you are utterly ignorant of the various science disciplines supporting evolution. As we have seen, your views on science are both twisted and jaundiced by your fundamentalist christian views.

The reason why most people have a hard time believing creationist is that there is no shred of evidence to support it, and above that, it is an irrational concept dealing completely in speculation. And, as noted, there is a long history of racism associated with christian creationist ministries.

What we are seeing is the fundie christian refusal and inability to accept the idea that humans could have evolved from primitive hominids, because the idea is repugnant to you, not because the science is bad... and you prefer instead to abstain from all critical thinking in order to reject this idea. I'm sure you are capable of employing rational thought in your daily chores but you refuse to allow this skill to force its way into the areas of intellect that have been corrupted by your chriatian faith. You should step back and look at the evidence objectively.

In support of creationist, a rational person would require you to present a case against evolution, perhaps in the peer reviewed scientific literature. For years now, the science community has been pleading to the creationist community for even a firm model of creationist, let alone evidence in its favor. It would be swell if creationist could supply, so we can do some proper scientific investigation. But simply asserting its existence is not enough, and the refutations to creationist will be found already on this forum.

 

[daws101]

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive - Softpedia

Neanderthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive: December 21st, 2005, 09:41 = 7 years old

BBC - Science & Nature - September 2005= 7years old

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence Aug
26
2008 = 4years old
weren't you the guy who just got done making an ass of himself whining about using dated material ?

besides, arguing for Neanderthals is arguing for evolution not creation.
if we were so perfect why would god need to make another speices.
they ( Neanderthals ) are never mentioned in the bible.
how do you reconcile that with the creation myth?

Neanderthals are human not another species of humans.

not an answer!

they ( Neanderthals ) are never mentioned in the bible.
how do you reconcile that with the creation myth?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive: December 21st, 2005, 09:41 = 7 years old

BBC - Science & Nature - September 2005= 7years old

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence Aug
26
2008 = 4years old
weren't you the guy who just got done making an ass of himself whining about using dated material ?

besides, arguing for Neanderthals is arguing for evolution not creation.
if we were so perfect why would god need to make another speices.
they ( Neanderthals ) are never mentioned in the bible.
how do you reconcile that with the creation myth?

Neanderthals are human not another species of humans.

not an answer!

they ( Neanderthals ) are never mentioned in the bible.
how do you reconcile that with the creation myth?

Once again you're showing your ignorance. Why would neanderthals have to be mentioned in the bible ? Daws do you understand how neanderthals got their name and when

Their fossils were discovered in the neander valley and it was long after the writings of the bible ,that is why they were named neanderthals. They were not just discovered in neander valley though. In God's eyes all men are created equal and they are. how do you reconcile that with the evolution myth ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Don't try this again,guilt by association. I am a christian that believe all men are equal and I have not crossed paths with this true Christian that is considered a racist. Do you understand how many Christians put themselves in harms way to help aficans and muslims ? you're just simply barking up the wrong tree. Are there bad people in Christianity you bet and God warned us there were.

The theory of evolution teaches what I claimed. They may have finally accepted that aficans and everyone that has been descriminated against are truly humans but they did and do teach they are less evolved. If whites evolved from aficans as has been claimed who are further evolved ?

I can only judge you on your creationist views which have been shown to be racist, discriminatory and bigoted.

The Theory of Evolution teaches nothing of what you describe because you are utterly ignorant of the various science disciplines supporting evolution. As we have seen, your views on science are both twisted and jaundiced by your fundamentalist christian views.

The reason why most people have a hard time believing creationist is that there is no shred of evidence to support it, and above that, it is an irrational concept dealing completely in speculation. And, as noted, there is a long history of racism associated with christian creationist ministries.

What we are seeing is the fundie christian refusal and inability to accept the idea that humans could have evolved from primitive hominids, because the idea is repugnant to you, not because the science is bad... and you prefer instead to abstain from all critical thinking in order to reject this idea. I'm sure you are capable of employing rational thought in your daily chores but you refuse to allow this skill to force its way into the areas of intellect that have been corrupted by your chriatian faith. You should step back and look at the evidence objectively.

In support of creationist, a rational person would require you to present a case against evolution, perhaps in the peer reviewed scientific literature. For years now, the science community has been pleading to the creationist community for even a firm model of creationist, let alone evidence in its favor. It would be swell if creationist could supply, so we can do some proper scientific investigation. But simply asserting its existence is not enough, and the refutations to creationist will be found already on this forum.

I don't care what you think hollie,you're probably the biggest tool I have ever encountered and it was my pleasure exposing what you are.

 

[daws101]

In humans they use to make the same claim concerning the appendix because we could live without the organ. They have found that the organ stores bacteria and Enzymes that aid in the digestive system.

The science community sometimes rush to an explanation only to be proven wrong later.

yet another fine example of ywc spining the facts!

Does the appendix have a function?
The appendix -- an organ barely 4 inches long -- causes much debate among medical professionals. In fact, doctors have trouble deciding if the appendix has any use to the body at all. While everyone agrees that the appendix can be removed without causing any adverse health consequences to the patient, some physicians and researchers believe that the appendix does serve a function as part of the immune system. Others feel that the appendix is a vestigial organ, a remainder from the time when humans regularly dined on tree bark and needed an additional organ to break down the roughage. Along with the disagreement over the true function of the appendix, there is no consensus if humans will always have this organ. Some doctors feel that the evolution of the human body will lead to the demise of the appendix, while others believe that the appendix will remain in the body, continuing to do whatever it does.


HowStuffWorks "Does the appendix have a function?"

the they ywc conveniently left out is : "some physicians and researchers believe that the appendix does serve a function as part of the immune system"
the operative words are SOME AND BELIEVE!

Does the appendix have a function daws ? that was my point.

wrong ,you said: "They have found that the organ stores bacteria and Enzymes that aid in the digestive system."-YWC
THAT IS A STATEMENT NOT A QUESTION!
AS ALWAYS YOU'RE BACKPEDALING .

 

[daws101]

daws no one has ever observed the brain of the neanderthal to give an opinion on intelligence don't you get it ? They could have been more intelligent they might not have been but nobody knows but we do know that they had the cranial capacity to have bigger brains.

An elephant has a bigger brain but they didn't build a ship and go to the moon. Clearly humans are more intelligent then any organism on this planet,why ? Do you understand that many evolutionist made the claim that they were part beast and human and once said they they were dumb brutes.

Asshole ? If this is getting to be more then you can handle take a break and allow yourself to be taught.

yes asshole! Another dodge or have you lost the gist of the tread again?

i believe you're spinning in circles,showing you're in over your head.

as always your belief fails epically

 

[daws101]

neanderthals are human not another species of humans.

there is not a firm consensus among scientists about neanderthals being human.

Another.problem for the creationist is that neanderthals have been dated to existing as much as 50,000 years ago.

Yet another creationist myth debunked- the 6000 year old earth.

you are full of it hollie,neanderthals are human.

another well thought out science based retort from the esteemed deep thinker ywc..

 

[ima]

New research may show that Neanderthals did not go extinct.
DNA derived from the Neanderthals has been found in many human populations around the globe.
http://wsws.org/en/articles/2011/12/nean-d27.html

That is my point so why would they say they were a sub species of humans. We all originated from the same human parents so why wouldn't we all have neanderthal genetic data in us ? That being said they went extinct during the flood but the genes of neanderthals was in the children of Noah like it was in all humans. Races of mankind was the result of that one set of parents. There is only one human race with some variations that is all it is. No race of man is inferior to another some just have had more opportunity for living a healthy life and had the better chance for education.

Do you have proof that they went extinct during the "flood"? No? I didn't think so. Do you have any proof of the "flood" itself? No? I didn't think so either.
So if some humans have neanderthal genes, did some of Noah's kids mate with them? How did that come about?
So did god make negros, asians and white folks as different species of humans or did early humans evolve into the different kinds? And how come there are negros and asians if Noah and his wife were white?

 

[daws101]

Evolutionist were and are bigots. Claiming black Africans and Aborigines of Australia were less evolved when in reality they are human. Funny the Aborigines skull is really close to a neanderthal skull except the neanderthal had a larger cranial capacity.

So are Aborigines human ?

That makes no sense.

You're simply playing a cheap and long ago dismissed angle that has been a staple of christian creationist which attempts to align evolution (Darwinism), with racism. Is christianity so morally bankrupt that you have to seize on that tired and worn out history?

It's a fact, that is what they and it created racism towards blacks. Still dodging questions hollie ?

Now you're really piling it high and deep, racism is far older the the TOE. to say it's not is denial of the highest order.

 

[daws101]

I thought it was worth educating you on some history regarding your hero, Henry Morris of the ICR, himself, something of a rascist and to educate you on some recent history of christianity and ties to rascism.


CA005: Evolution and racism

Claim CA005:

Evolution promotes racism.

Source:
Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 179.


Response:

1. When properly understood, evolution refutes racism. Before Darwin, people used typological thinking for living things, considering different plants and animals to be their distinct "kinds." This gave rise to a misleading conception of human races, in which different races are thought of as separate and distinct. Darwinism helps eliminate typological thinking and with it the basis for racism.

2. Genetic studies show that humans are remarkably homogeneous genetically, so all humans are only one biological race. Evolution does not teach racism; it teaches the very opposite.

3. Racism is thousands of years older than the theory of evolution, and its prevalence has probably decreased since Darwin's day; certainly slavery is much less now. That is the opposite of what we would expect if evolution promotes racism.

4. Darwin himself was far less racist than most of his contemporaries.

5. Although creationism is not inherently racist, it is based upon and inseparable from religious bigotry, and religious bigotry is no less hateful and harmful than racism.

6. Racism historically has been closely associated with creationism (Moore 2004), as is evident in the following examples:

• George McCready Price, who is to young-earth creationism what Darwin is to evolution, was much more racist than Darwin. He wrote, The poor little fellow who went to the south Got lost in the forests dank; His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat And scorched his hair with its tropic heat, And his mind became a blank.

In The Phantom of Organic Evolution, he referred to Negroes and Mongolians as degenerate humans (Numbers 1992, 85).

• During much of the long history of apartheid in South Africa, evolution was not allowed to be taught .

The Christian National Education system, formalized in 1948 and accepted as national policy from 1967 to 1993, stated, among other things, that white children should 'receive a separate education from black children to prepare them for their respective superior and inferior positions in South African social and economic life, and all education should be based on Christian National principles' (Esterhuysen and Smith 1998).


The policy excluded the concept of evolution, taught a version of history that negatively characterized non-whites, and made Bible education, including the teaching of creationism, and religious assemblies compulsory (Esterhuysen and Smith 1998).

• The Bible Belt in the southern United States fought hardest to maintain slavery.

• Henry Morris, of the Institute for Creation Research, has in the past read racism into his interpretation of the Bible:
Sometimes the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have even become actual slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane, practical matters, they have often eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites (Morris 1976, 241).


7. None of this matters to the science of evolution.

Links:

Trott, Richard and Jim Lippard, 2003. Creationism implies racism? Creationism Implies Racism?
References:
1. Esterhuysen, Amanda and Jeannette Smith, 1998. Evolution: 'the forbidden word'? South African Archaeological Bulletin 53: 135-137. Quoted from Stear, J., 2004. It's official! Racism is an integral part of creationist dogma. It's Official! Racism is an Integral Part of Creationist Dogma
2. Moore, R., 2004. (see below)
3. Morris, Henry M., 1976. The Genesis Record: A Scientific and Devotional Commentary on the Book of Beginnings. San Diego: Creation-Life Publishers.
4. Numbers, Ronald L., 1992, The Creationists, New York: Knopf.


Further Reading:
Mayr, Ernst, 2000. Darwin's influence on modern thought. Scientific American 283(1) (Jul.): 78-83.

Moore, Randy, 2004. The dark side of creationism. The American Biology Teacher 66(2): 85-87.

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