Creationists

[Hollie]

Same reason we don't find transitional fossils ANYWHERE? But yet you blindly claim the exist with your "just so" stories and armies of "might haves" and "could haves".

You will find them you just have to go beyond the myths in the Bible:

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 2A

More here:

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ



CC200: Transitional fossils

Creation Science Rebuttal, Transitional Fossils

Devonian tetrapods (limbed vertebrates), known from an increasingly large number of localities, have been shown to be mainly aquatic with many primitive features. In contrast, the post-Devonian record is marked by an Early Mississippian temporal gap ranging from the earliest Carboniferous (Tournaisian and early Viséan) to the mid-Viséan. By the mid-Viséan, tetrapods had become effectively terrestrial as attested by the presence of stem amniotes, developed an essentially modern aspect, and given rise to the crown group. Up to now, only two localities have yielded tetrapod specimens from the Tournaisian stage: one in Scotland with a single articulated skeleton and one in Nova Scotia with isolated bones, many of uncertain identity. We announce a series of discoveries of Tournaisian-age localities in Scotland that have yielded a wealth of new tetrapod and arthropod fossils. These include both terrestrial and aquatic forms and new taxa. We conclude that the gap in the fossil record has been an artifact of collection failure.

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/12/4532.full?sid=bf5700fe-031f-4289-baa4-b8f3de8982d7

So what was that about no transitional fossils? You are wrongly assuming that because there are gaps in the fossil record that there were no transitional fossils which is an illogical conclusion.

Like I said, "might haves" and "could haves" with NO REAL EVIDENCE.

It is odd that in spite of your OCD-like inspired (religiously inspired) denial of the science literature, transitional fossils are well documented. Your insistence that even the existence of fossil evidence is the result of a global conspiracy is just more of the sad, diseased musings of the YEC'ist mindset.

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As we all know, Tiktaalik roseae (Tiktaalik roseae: Home) is a magnificent example of a transitional fossil connecting aquatic critters–fish–with tetrapods, 4-limbed critters. Nevertheless, there are still gaps in that transitional sequence. A recent PNAS paper (link to abstract; full paper is behind a paywall) describes fossils of early amphibians that are later than Tiktaalik and are within Romer’s Gap. Romer’s Gap is a period around 15 million years long, from roughly 360mya to 345mya, where (up to now) there was a distinct lack of fossils of proto-tetrapods or related critters. The new PNAS paper’s senior author is Jenny Clack, one of the most prominent paleontologists studying that era, (along with people like Neal Shubin and Per Ahlberg. Per was an active commenter on the late lamented Internet Infidels Discussion Board way back when I was an administrator of IIDB.

With these new fossils, the transition from water to land animals is becoming nearly as well documented as the synapsid to mammal transition. Nobel Intent (New fossil finds filling in history of tetrapods | Ars Technica) has more on the new paper.

 

[ima]

So again, why can't gays be part of the creator's plan? Who said so?

 

[daws101]

What evolutionists fail to demonstrate is where and how life originated and what it looked like. They skip over the fact that time is not on their side. Dinosaurs were very highly developed creatures. What did they evolve from? How long did that take? Evolutionists have far too many gaps and they fill them with atheistic opinion. But the fact of the matter is, that their process of evolution could not have started at the point of their Big Bang nor when planet earth became it's own sphere. And how many millions of years does it take for bacteria to assume even the form of a worm (which are highly specialized). The real problem is that there is no atheistic logic for why life exists or why it does what it does? And there is also the problem that everything depends on everything else in some way for its survival! Even man is needed so that certain forms of life can cope. So the reality is that the very first form of life needed other forms of life to develope. Even the creation sequence is accomplish in stages. Funny, that even "dumb" uneducated nonscientific nomads would come to such a conclusion and then say God did it --- don't you think? Why didn't the "man who made up Genesis" start with man and then have a god make animals as they were asked for by man? Isn't that how most pagan religions work? I feel atheists will have a lot to answer for one day. They have more than enough to answer for at the present...

So if god exists, why can't evolution be part of its plan?

Because it leads to abortion and "gay marriage." In other words, making God in our image instead of the other way around.

and the willfully ignorant and bias award go's to .....tiny halfwit ....

 

[UltimateReality]

I heard if you keep repeating something it might become true. If humans and dinosaurs coexisted, why do we not find human fossils in the same layers as dinosaur fossils.

Same reason we don't find transitional fossils ANYWHERE? But yet you blindly claim the exist with your "just so" stories and armies of "might haves" and "could haves".

more creationist diarrhea!


fact:Transitional fossil


A transitional fossil is a fossil of an organism that has traits from multiple evolutionary stages. Proponents of creationism claim that "evolutionists have had over 140 years to find a transitional fossil and nothing approaching a conclusive transitional form has ever been found", despite the discovery of Archaeopteryx (a transitional form between maniraptoran dinosaurs and basal (primitive) birds, and among the best examples of evolution) only two years after Darwin published The Origin of Species. Creationists say that we never saw evolution happen, but transitional fossils are the next best thing.

Since then, many other transitional forms, such as Ambulocetus and Pakicetus[1][2] (land mammals to marine cetaceans), and Tiktaalik[3] and Acanthostega[4] (fish to tetrapods) have been found.

The National Academy of Sciences...

You mean the national academy of atheists posing as scientists?

 

[jack113]

Because it leads to abortion and "gay marriage." In other words, making God in our image instead of the other way around.

But abortion is a wonderful thing, what with them little miracles being dumped into bio hazard waste bins, praise babyjesus.

Like I said, Atheism is the most dangerous worldview.

Ima your making god over in your own image by what you just posted. How can you say what god thinks or wants. Christians do not condemn and try to make over religion in their own image. Science does not try in any way to disprove god it merely shows how the universe works. If their is a god you have no way of knowing why he made the universe the way he did or the reasons he made it.

 

[Hollie]

Same reason we don't find transitional fossils ANYWHERE? But yet you blindly claim the exist with your "just so" stories and armies of "might haves" and "could haves".

more creationist diarrhea!


fact:Transitional fossil


A transitional fossil is a fossil of an organism that has traits from multiple evolutionary stages. Proponents of creationism claim that "evolutionists have had over 140 years to find a transitional fossil and nothing approaching a conclusive transitional form has ever been found", despite the discovery of Archaeopteryx (a transitional form between maniraptoran dinosaurs and basal (primitive) birds, and among the best examples of evolution) only two years after Darwin published The Origin of Species. Creationists say that we never saw evolution happen, but transitional fossils are the next best thing.

Since then, many other transitional forms, such as Ambulocetus and Pakicetus[1][2] (land mammals to marine cetaceans), and Tiktaalik[3] and Acanthostega[4] (fish to tetrapods) have been found.

The National Academy of Sciences...

You mean the national academy of atheists posing as scientists?

They're not just scientists, they're evilutionist atheists who are all part of a global conspiracy to further education, rational thinking and enlightenment.

They are to be shunned and all are to worship at the altar of Harun Yahya, ... at least according to fundie whackjobs.

 

[daws101]

Same reason we don't find transitional fossils ANYWHERE? But yet you blindly claim the exist with your "just so" stories and armies of "might haves" and "could haves".

more creationist diarrhea!


fact:Transitional fossil


A transitional fossil is a fossil of an organism that has traits from multiple evolutionary stages. Proponents of creationism claim that "evolutionists have had over 140 years to find a transitional fossil and nothing approaching a conclusive transitional form has ever been found", despite the discovery of Archaeopteryx (a transitional form between maniraptoran dinosaurs and basal (primitive) birds, and among the best examples of evolution) only two years after Darwin published The Origin of Species. Creationists say that we never saw evolution happen, but transitional fossils are the next best thing.

Since then, many other transitional forms, such as Ambulocetus and Pakicetus[1][2] (land mammals to marine cetaceans), and Tiktaalik[3] and Acanthostega[4] (fish to tetrapods) have been found.

The National Academy of Sciences...

You mean the national academy of atheists posing as scientists?

no, that would be your infantile rationalizing and denial of fact.

 

[daws101]

But abortion is a wonderful thing, what with them little miracles being dumped into bio hazard waste bins, praise babyjesus.

Like I said, Atheism is the most dangerous worldview.

Ima your making god over in your own image by what you just posted. How can you say what god thinks or wants. Christians do not condemn and try to make over religion in their own image. Science does not try in any way to disprove god it merely shows how the universe works. If their is a god you have no way of knowing why he made the universe the way he did or the reasons he made it.

me smells a contradiction!

 

[daws101]

more creationist diarrhea!


fact:Transitional fossil


A transitional fossil is a fossil of an organism that has traits from multiple evolutionary stages. Proponents of creationism claim that "evolutionists have had over 140 years to find a transitional fossil and nothing approaching a conclusive transitional form has ever been found", despite the discovery of Archaeopteryx (a transitional form between maniraptoran dinosaurs and basal (primitive) birds, and among the best examples of evolution) only two years after Darwin published The Origin of Species. Creationists say that we never saw evolution happen, but transitional fossils are the next best thing.

Since then, many other transitional forms, such as Ambulocetus and Pakicetus[1][2] (land mammals to marine cetaceans), and Tiktaalik[3] and Acanthostega[4] (fish to tetrapods) have been found.

The National Academy of Sciences...

You mean the national academy of atheists posing as scientists?

They're not just scientists, they're evilutionist atheists who are all part of a global conspiracy to further education, rational thinking and enlightenment.

They are to be shunned and all are to worship at the altar of Harun Yahya, ... at least according to fundie whackjobs.

hey detective douche bag, the previous is a fine example of what is funny.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Because it leads to abortion and "gay marriage." In other words, making God in our image instead of the other way around.

Wtf does that have to do with evolution?

Anyways, if Jesus actually existed, a lot of people think that he might have been gay himself. All the paintings of him portray him as very effeminate, he only hung around with guys, only had sex once with a woman to see if he'd like it (he obviously didn't or he would have done it again and again...), he always wore a dress-like garment, and he rode that gay pride symbol of ancient times, the donkey.

There's a tie-in. When species evolve, they wind up with pretty complex reproductive systems, as indeed humans do, since sex is pretty damn ambiguous until certain events in the womb assign gender, albeit, not always exactly. Some of us are thus born straight or gay or bi, or are women with male genetalia, or males with female parts, or maybe both sex organs. It's all over the map, since nature neither moralizes, nor gets everything right everytime.

So evolution leads to gay humans, many of whom will marry.

There is no scientific evidence that genetic defects lead to gay people. I would say gay people are merely people who choose go against the norm and live a perverted life.

 

[Koios]

Wtf does that have to do with evolution?

Anyways, if Jesus actually existed, a lot of people think that he might have been gay himself. All the paintings of him portray him as very effeminate, he only hung around with guys, only had sex once with a woman to see if he'd like it (he obviously didn't or he would have done it again and again...), he always wore a dress-like garment, and he rode that gay pride symbol of ancient times, the donkey.

There's a tie-in. When species evolve, they wind up with pretty complex reproductive systems, as indeed humans do, since sex is pretty damn ambiguous until certain events in the womb assign gender, albeit, not always exactly. Some of us are thus born straight or gay or bi, or are women with male genetalia, or males with female parts, or maybe both sex organs. It's all over the map, since nature neither moralizes, nor gets everything right everytime.

So evolution leads to gay humans, many of whom will marry.

There is no scientific evidence that genetic defects lead to gay people. I would say gay people are merely people who choose go against the norm and live a perverted life.

Yes; there's tons of it. But being it's so very, very common, it's not what thinking people, nor humans with average degrees of humanity, call a defect. We say, there's a genetic component, which must be at play due to other imperical evidence, most notably, birth-order and identical twin studies, which suggest something much deeper than mere genetics, since environment (mother's womb) comes into play, and quite possibly there's an epigenetic component as well, since patterns are so apparent in birth order studies as to complete eliminate random choice by individuals as being anything near possible.

Note that Darwin identified, very accurately, evolution and species origins, long before the mechanism (genes) was discovered by a couple of Nobel laureates, who I am proud to say are as I am, Atheist.

 

[CrackedSkull]

Same reason we don't find transitional fossils ANYWHERE? But yet you blindly claim the exist with your "just so" stories and armies of "might haves" and "could haves".

You will find them you just have to go beyond the myths in the Bible:

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 2A

More here:

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ



CC200: Transitional fossils

Creation Science Rebuttal, Transitional Fossils

Devonian tetrapods (limbed vertebrates), known from an increasingly large number of localities, have been shown to be mainly aquatic with many primitive features. In contrast, the post-Devonian record is marked by an Early Mississippian temporal gap ranging from the earliest Carboniferous (Tournaisian and early Viséan) to the mid-Viséan. By the mid-Viséan, tetrapods had become effectively terrestrial as attested by the presence of stem amniotes, developed an essentially modern aspect, and given rise to the crown group. Up to now, only two localities have yielded tetrapod specimens from the Tournaisian stage: one in Scotland with a single articulated skeleton and one in Nova Scotia with isolated bones, many of uncertain identity. We announce a series of discoveries of Tournaisian-age localities in Scotland that have yielded a wealth of new tetrapod and arthropod fossils. These include both terrestrial and aquatic forms and new taxa. We conclude that the gap in the fossil record has been an artifact of collection failure.

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/12/4532.full?sid=bf5700fe-031f-4289-baa4-b8f3de8982d7

So what was that about no transitional fossils? You are wrongly assuming that because there are gaps in the fossil record that there were no transitional fossils which is an illogical conclusion.

Like I said, "might haves" and "could haves" with NO REAL EVIDENCE.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.God might have created the universe, God might have created the seas, God could have changed shit long a go. God should have taken a science course at the local university in heaven and he would not be looking like a total jerk now. These work both ways. Denial changes nothing.

 

[Youwerecreated]

There's a tie-in. When species evolve, they wind up with pretty complex reproductive systems, as indeed humans do, since sex is pretty damn ambiguous until certain events in the womb assign gender, albeit, not always exactly. Some of us are thus born straight or gay or bi, or are women with male genetalia, or males with female parts, or maybe both sex organs. It's all over the map, since nature neither moralizes, nor gets everything right everytime.

So evolution leads to gay humans, many of whom will marry.

There is no scientific evidence that genetic defects lead to gay people. I would say gay people are merely people who choose go against the norm and live a perverted life.

Yes; there's tons of it. But being it's so very, very common, it's not what thinking people, nor humans with average degrees of humanity, call a defect. We say, there's a genetic component, which must be at play due to other imperical evidence, most notably, birth-order and identical twin studies, which suggest something much deeper than mere genetics, since environment (mother's womb) comes into play, and quite possibly there's an epigenetic component as well, since patterns are so apparent in birth order studies as to complete eliminate random choice by individuals as being anything near possible.

Note that Darwin identified, very accurately, evolution and species origins, long before the mechanism (genes) was discovered by a couple of Nobel laureates, who I am proud to say are as I am, Atheist.

what is the mechanism for evolution ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

You will find them you just have to go beyond the myths in the Bible:

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 1A

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ: Part 2A

More here:

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ



CC200: Transitional fossils

Creation Science Rebuttal, Transitional Fossils



http://www.pnas.org/content/109/12/4532.full?sid=bf5700fe-031f-4289-baa4-b8f3de8982d7

So what was that about no transitional fossils? You are wrongly assuming that because there are gaps in the fossil record that there were no transitional fossils which is an illogical conclusion.

Like I said, "might haves" and "could haves" with NO REAL EVIDENCE.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.God might have created the universe, God might have created the seas, God could have changed shit long a go. God should have taken a science course at the local university in heaven and he would not be looImperf


king like a total jerk now. These work both ways. Denial changes nothing.

Imperfections in nature are not Gods fault they are the direct result of freewill by man. Man made the choice we are now living with the choice man made. God doesn't need a science class ,hell science is trying to figure out how God did it.

 

[Koios]

There is no scientific evidence that genetic defects lead to gay people. I would say gay people are merely people who choose go against the norm and live a perverted life.

Yes; there's tons of it. But being it's so very, very common, it's not what thinking people, nor humans with average degrees of humanity, call a defect. We say, there's a genetic component, which must be at play due to other imperical evidence, most notably, birth-order and identical twin studies, which suggest something much deeper than mere genetics, since environment (mother's womb) comes into play, and quite possibly there's an epigenetic component as well, since patterns are so apparent in birth order studies as to complete eliminate random choice by individuals as being anything near possible.

Note that Darwin identified, very accurately, evolution and species origins, long before the mechanism (genes) was discovered by a couple of Nobel laureates, who I am proud to say are as I am, Atheist.

what is the mechanism for evolution ?

What???? Genes, which replicate, just not always perfectly (mutation, a vital component in life evolving)

I would think that's known by 99% of adults, hopefully.

Life = organism which can replicate and mutate. Meaning of life = whatever value you place on it (subjective)

Astonishing.

 

[CrackedSkull]

Like I said, "might haves" and "could haves" with NO REAL EVIDENCE.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.God might have created the universe, God might have created the seas, God could have changed shit long a go. God should have taken a science course at the local university in heaven and he would not be looImperf


king like a total jerk now. These work both ways. Denial changes nothing.

Imperfections in nature are not Gods fault they are the direct result of freewill by man. Man made the choice we are now living with the choice man made. God doesn't need a science class ,hell science is trying to figure out how God did it.

God doesn't need a science class ,hell science is trying to figure out how God did it

Yeah and the pink unicorn is still figuring out how he got here.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Yes; there's tons of it. But being it's so very, very common, it's not what thinking people, nor humans with average degrees of humanity, call a defect. We say, there's a genetic component, which must be at play due to other imperical evidence, most notably, birth-order and identical twin studies, which suggest something much deeper than mere genetics, since environment (mother's womb) comes into play, and quite possibly there's an epigenetic component as well, since patterns are so apparent in birth order studies as to complete eliminate random choice by individuals as being anything near possible.

Note that Darwin identified, very accurately, evolution and species origins, long before the mechanism (genes) was discovered by a couple of Nobel laureates, who I am proud to say are as I am, Atheist.

what is the mechanism for evolution ?

What???? Genes, which replicate, just not always perfectly (mutation, a vital component in life evolving)

I would think that's known by 99% of adults, hopefully.

Life = organism which can replicate and mutate. Meaning of life = whatever value you place on it (subjective)

Astonishing.

Why don't you just say it, you're saying mutations are the mechanism but that is not the complete answer So complete the question before you try using arrogance on me. I want to get you nailed down on your complete answer before we go any further. I am not gonna allow you any wiggle room once we get at it.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.God might have created the universe, God might have created the seas, God could have changed shit long a go. God should have taken a science course at the local university in heaven and he would not be looImperf


king like a total jerk now. These work both ways. Denial changes nothing.

Imperfections in nature are not Gods fault they are the direct result of freewill by man. Man made the choice we are now living with the choice man made. God doesn't need a science class ,hell science is trying to figure out how God did it.

God doesn't need a science class ,hell science is trying to figure out how God did it

Yeah and the pink unicorn is still figuring out how he got here.

Like I said God does not need men to teach him, hell man still has no answer how we got here except through conjecture filled theories.

 

[Hollie]

Like I said, "might haves" and "could haves" with NO REAL EVIDENCE.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.God might have created the universe, God might have created the seas, God could have changed shit long a go. God should have taken a science course at the local university in heaven and he would not be looImperf


king like a total jerk now. These work both ways. Denial changes nothing.

Imperfections in nature are not Gods fault they are the direct result of freewill by man. Man made the choice we are now living with the choice man made. God doesn't need a science class ,hell science is trying to figure out how God did it.

What exactly is an "imperfection in nature"? Imperfect relative to what? You use terms and conditions that are entirely meaningless and inappropriate.

Additionally, as a "designer', your gawds are hopelessly inept. Massive waste, inefficiency, ineptitude, blunders etc.

Your gawds don't even rank as amateurs.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.God might have created the universe, God might have created the seas, God could have changed shit long a go. God should have taken a science course at the local university in heaven and he would not be looImperf


king like a total jerk now. These work both ways. Denial changes nothing.

Imperfections in nature are not Gods fault they are the direct result of freewill by man. Man made the choice we are now living with the choice man made. God doesn't need a science class ,hell science is trying to figure out how God did it.

What exactly is an "imperfection in nature"? Imperfect relative to what? You use terms and conditions that are entirely meaningless and inappropriate.

Additionally, as a "designer', your gawds are hopelessly inept. Massive waste, inefficiency, ineptitude, blunders etc.

Your gawds don't even rank as amateurs.

Go away child we are about to have a discussion on evolution,just sit back and learn. We will discuss things you have shown your ignorance on I just hope this person is up to the challenge and does not run off to talk origins and paste alot of nonsense that does not address my questions.