Creator of Infamous Hockey Stick Graph Refuses to Turn Over Data to Court

[peach174]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

This is the problem with assholes like you.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

We have already experienced some of these changes.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.
What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

So why is the fossil fuel industry doing research for cleaner cheaper energy other than just solar and wind that's too expensive ?

Because they know that eventually the smart people will be back in charge & the fight to reduce emissions will win .

They want a piece of that action.

LOL
Smart people?
We haven't had any smart people for the last 50 years!!

 

[SSDD]

What is your plan for the waste?

As you should know it was petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama who halted work on the Yucca Repository after billions of dollars had already been spent.

Now come on...be fair. Every good liberal knows that it was Bush's fault that obama halted work on the Yucca Repository.

 

[SSDD]

LOL
Smart people?
We haven't had any smart people for the last 50 years!!

All liberals believe that government attracts the best and brightest...demonstrating that liberals don't know jack.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What happened to the other 16,944 papers?

Probably destroyed.
Something to do with the force field preventing photons emitted by cooler matter from striking warmer matter.

You really don't understand why cooler matter can not warm a warmer object..

Toddster believes in the magic as well...and believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...Guess he also thinks that rocks must be intelligent enough to know which way to fall when dropped.

believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics

And you believe the laws of physics requires photons that can sense the temperature of matter across both space and time.

Didn't Einstein discover that time stops at the speed of light? How then does a photon experience time?

Photons are smart....because they don't experience time?
How does that let them predict the future and measure temperatures across the universe?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Probably destroyed.
Something to do with the force field preventing photons emitted by cooler matter from striking warmer matter.

You really don't understand why cooler matter can not warm a warmer object..

Toddster believes in the magic as well...and believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...Guess he also thinks that rocks must be intelligent enough to know which way to fall when dropped.

believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics

And you believe the laws of physics requires photons that can sense the temperature of matter across both space and time.

Didn't Einstein discover that time stops at the speed of light? How then does a photon experience time?

It is also said that photons exist simultaneously at every point along their path...so to a photon, the distance to anywhere is zero, and the time to get there is zero....that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Yeah...97% of scientists....oh wait 97 of scientists surveyed (unscientifically....the irony is incredible) say that !

75/77......very serious!

What happened to the other 16,944 papers?

Probably destroyed.
Something to do with the force field preventing photons emitted by cooler matter from striking warmer matter.

You really don't understand why cooler matter can not warm a warmer object..

Before we discuss warming, are you saying the photon can hit the warmer matter?

Hit? YES

Retain/absorbe and have effect? NO

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You really don't understand why cooler matter can not warm a warmer object..

Toddster believes in the magic as well...and believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...Guess he also thinks that rocks must be intelligent enough to know which way to fall when dropped.

believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics

And you believe the laws of physics requires photons that can sense the temperature of matter across both space and time.

Didn't Einstein discover that time stops at the speed of light? How then does a photon experience time?

It is also said that photons exist simultaneously at every point along their path...so to a photon, the distance to anywhere is zero, and the time to get there is zero....that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

The corona itself defies our laws of physics, so how can we confidently claim that we know what takes place there

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

75/77......very serious!

What happened to the other 16,944 papers?

Probably destroyed.
Something to do with the force field preventing photons emitted by cooler matter from striking warmer matter.

You really don't understand why cooler matter can not warm a warmer object..

Before we discuss warming, are you saying the photon can hit the warmer matter?

Hit? YES

Retain/absorbe and have effect? NO

They hit but aren't absorbed? Why not?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddster believes in the magic as well...and believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...Guess he also thinks that rocks must be intelligent enough to know which way to fall when dropped.

believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics

And you believe the laws of physics requires photons that can sense the temperature of matter across both space and time.

Didn't Einstein discover that time stops at the speed of light? How then does a photon experience time?

It is also said that photons exist simultaneously at every point along their path...so to a photon, the distance to anywhere is zero, and the time to get there is zero....that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

The corona itself defies our laws of physics, so how can we confidently claim that we know what takes place there

The corona itself defies our laws of physics

How so?

 

[SSDD]

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

If you are an entity that doesn't experience distance or time, you don't "travel" in any way that relates to us, and you don't have to "predict" anything. I know it is hard to wrap such a little mind around, but if you accept the existence of photons, you must also accept their state of being...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

If you are an entity that doesn't experience distance or time, you don't "travel" in any way that relates to us, and you don't have to "predict" anything. I know it is hard to wrap such a little mind around, but if you accept the existence of photons, you must also accept their state of being...

you don't have to "predict" anything

Right, that's how they know the temperature of matter, billions of years in the future, billions of light years away.

if you accept the existence of photons, you must also accept their state of being...

No one else accepts your photon fantasy, why should I?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics

And you believe the laws of physics requires photons that can sense the temperature of matter across both space and time.

Didn't Einstein discover that time stops at the speed of light? How then does a photon experience time?

It is also said that photons exist simultaneously at every point along their path...so to a photon, the distance to anywhere is zero, and the time to get there is zero....that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

The corona itself defies our laws of physics, so how can we confidently claim that we know what takes place there

The corona itself defies our laws of physics

How so?

Seriously? It's 200 times hotter than the supposed heat source.

 

[IanC]

What happened to the other 16,944 papers?

Probably destroyed.
Something to do with the force field preventing photons emitted by cooler matter from striking warmer matter.

You really don't understand why cooler matter can not warm a warmer object..

Toddster believes in the magic as well...and believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...Guess he also thinks that rocks must be intelligent enough to know which way to fall when dropped.

believes that objects such as photons (assuming there is any such thing as a photon) must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics

And you believe the laws of physics requires photons that can sense the temperature of matter across both space and time.

Didn't Einstein discover that time stops at the speed of light? How then does a photon experience time?

Hahahaha. It's all relative.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Didn't Einstein discover that time stops at the speed of light? How then does a photon experience time?

It is also said that photons exist simultaneously at every point along their path...so to a photon, the distance to anywhere is zero, and the time to get there is zero....that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

The corona itself defies our laws of physics, so how can we confidently claim that we know what takes place there

The corona itself defies our laws of physics

How so?

Seriously? It's 200 times hotter than the supposed heat source.

Great. Why do you feel that violates any laws of physics?

And more importantly, why can we see the Sun's surface (that means we see photons from the surface) if "cool matter photons" never travel toward, let alone through, hotter matter?

 

[IanC]

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

If you are an entity that doesn't experience distance or time, you don't "travel" in any way that relates to us, and you don't have to "predict" anything. I know it is hard to wrap such a little mind around, but if you accept the existence of photons, you must also accept their state of being...

you don't have to "predict" anything

Right, that's how they know the temperature of matter, billions of years in the future, billions of light years away.

if you accept the existence of photons, you must also accept their state of being...

No one else accepts your photon fantasy, why should I?

Mathematically it could be true. Just like there could be more than 3 physical dimensions.

A long time ago I read a paper on how bees dance to show other bees the direction of food. It makes perfect sense if you consider it a shadow in four dimensional space.

 

[IanC]

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

If you are an entity that doesn't experience distance or time, you don't "travel" in any way that relates to us, and you don't have to "predict" anything. I know it is hard to wrap such a little mind around, but if you accept the existence of photons, you must also accept their state of being...

The reference frame for speed of light objects is different than our own.

That said, in our reference frame light has a finite speed, and takes time to travel.

Then again, it is hard to make magnetism and electric force understandable without a timeless, distanceless photon. Virtual photons working under uncertainty rules and carrying force are fundamentally different than plain jane photons that only carry energy.

 

[IanC]

It is also said that photons exist simultaneously at every point along their path...so to a photon, the distance to anywhere is zero, and the time to get there is zero....that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

The corona itself defies our laws of physics, so how can we confidently claim that we know what takes place there

The corona itself defies our laws of physics

How so?

Seriously? It's 200 times hotter than the supposed heat source.

Great. Why do you feel that violates any laws of physics?

And more importantly, why can we see the Sun's surface (that means we see photons from the surface) if "cool matter photons" never travel toward, let alone through, hotter matter?

Emissivity. Most of the Sun's surface radiation travels through the Corona unaffected. The Earth also has a high energy, high temperature component to its atmosphere. But it is so rarified that it would be considered an almost perfect vacuum on the surface.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is also said that photons exist simultaneously at every point along their path...so to a photon, the distance to anywhere is zero, and the time to get there is zero....that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

The corona itself defies our laws of physics, so how can we confidently claim that we know what takes place there

The corona itself defies our laws of physics

How so?

Seriously? It's 200 times hotter than the supposed heat source.

Great. Why do you feel that violates any laws of physics?

And more importantly, why can we see the Sun's surface (that means we see photons from the surface) if "cool matter photons" never travel toward, let alone through, hotter matter?

What powers the corona, magic beans?

 

[mamooth]

What powers the corona, magic beans?

Magnetic re-connection seems to be the best theory explaining it.

If you've got a point somewhere, you should probably state it. If you don't, you look like you're just trolling.

NASA has one satellite cluster in Earth's magnetic field exploring how magnetic reconnection works around Earth. There's definitely a large energy transfer involved with it.

Magnetospheric Multiscale About MMS

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

that being the case, they are already at the cooler area before they leave the warmer area....

That must be the reason they travel from the cooler surface of the Sun to the much hotter corona.

The corona itself defies our laws of physics, so how can we confidently claim that we know what takes place there

The corona itself defies our laws of physics

How so?

Seriously? It's 200 times hotter than the supposed heat source.

Great. Why do you feel that violates any laws of physics?

And more importantly, why can we see the Sun's surface (that means we see photons from the surface) if "cool matter photons" never travel toward, let alone through, hotter matter?

Emissivity. Most of the Sun's surface radiation travels through the Corona unaffected. The Earth also has a high energy, high temperature component to its atmosphere. But it is so rarified that it would be considered an almost perfect vacuum on the surface.

Most of the Sun's surface radiation travels through the Corona unaffected.

Without violating the 2nd Law. Amazing!

The Earth also has a high energy, high temperature component to its atmosphere.

And photons from the cooler surface still manage to escape into space. Thankfully.