Creator of Infamous Hockey Stick Graph Refuses to Turn Over Data to Court

[SSDD]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

 

[aoxomoxoa]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

This is the scientific method, nowhere does it say that appealing to authority and claiming consensus is a part of it. Scepticism is an integral part of being a scientist. Science is not PC, it doesn't affiliate to particular political parties or philosophies and computer models are no substitute for empirical evidence.

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

 

[RealDave]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

This is the problem with assholes like you.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

We have already experienced some of these changes.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.
What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

This is the problem with assholes like you.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

We have already experienced some of these changes.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.
What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.

If CO2 is so dangerous and you want non-emitting, reliable energy, you'd support 100 new nuclear plants.
Do you?

Or do you think energy that is unavailable at night, or when the wind slows, is the way to power a high tech economy?

 

[Muhammed]

The climategate deniers are like those dumb people who keep sending money to some Nigerian prince. After they send money to the scammer they get ripped off, however their egos are too fragile to admit that they were ripped off, therefore instead of calling the cops they just keep sending payments until their bank account runs dry.

 

[RealDave]

TMI Chernobyl Japan....

What is your plan for the waste?

 

[peach174]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

This is the problem with assholes like you.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

We have already experienced some of these changes.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.
What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

So why is the fossil fuel industry doing research for cleaner cheaper energy other than just solar and wind that's too expensive ?

 

[RealDave]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

This is the problem with assholes like you.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

We have already experienced some of these changes.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.
What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

So why is the fossil fuel industry doing research for cleaner cheaper energy other than just solar and wind that's too expensive ?

Because they know that eventually the smart people will be back in charge & the fight to reduce emissions will win .

They want a piece of that action.

 

[martybegan]

TMI Chernobyl Japan....

What is your plan for the waste?

Store it in hardened facilities until a way to treat it is figured out, or at least until someone finally figures out fusion.

And TMI and Fukishima were not even close to as bad as Chernobyl.

 

[peach174]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

This is the problem with assholes like you.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

We have already experienced some of these changes.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.
What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

So why is the fossil fuel industry doing research for cleaner cheaper energy other than just solar and wind that's too expensive ?

Because they know that eventually the smart people will be back in charge & the fight to reduce emissions will win .

They want a piece of that action.

Maybe you should look into the types of fuels they are experimenting with.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

TMI Chernobyl Japan....

What is your plan for the waste?

CO2 is gonna kill my kids, why are you worried about the waste?

 

[SSDD]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

This is the scientific method, nowhere does it say that appealing to authority and claiming consensus is a part of it. Scepticism is an integral part of being a scientist. Science is not PC, it doesn't affiliate to particular political parties or philosophies and computer models are no substitute for empirical evidence.


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To bad so many warmers are so scientifically illiterate that they don't even know what the scientific method is...and the rest are political hacks who aren't interested in science...they just want to see their political goals move forward.

 

[SSDD]

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Alas realdave..you are the joke. It hasn't escaped notice that you have yet to provide even a single piece of observed, measured data that supports the AGW hypothesis...much less one that supports AGW over natural variability...thus far, all you have managed to do is mire yourself in one logical fallacy after another.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

I already provided you with some...unfortunately, you seem to be so scientifically illiterate, that you can't even recognize evidence when it is placed right in front of you and identified as such. Refer to post 278 and tell me how you believe anything going on in our climate today is different from natural variability.

Aside from that, asking me to prove a negative is just stupid....you are claiming that we are altering the global climate...the climate is behaving as it always has...the burden of evidence that what we are seeing is not natural variability lies on your shoulders...and as we have seen...you have nothing, because climate science has nothing.

This is the problem with assholes like you.

No, the problem is scientific illiterates like you who have been fooled and don't even realize that they are nothing but useful idiots for a political movement. Even when you see that you can't find the first piece of observed, measured, quantified data in support of your belief, you are to stupid to even wonder why no such data is available.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

No dave, we are talking about a real simple subject. That being the absolute, complete lack of observed, measured, quantified data that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability after decades and billions upon billions upon billions of dollars being spent. That is a very simple topic and one you don't seem to be able to address.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

Really? Based on what observed, measured, quantified data...that is what I have been asking for. I know that you believe...you have proven that...what I want to see is some actual data. You seem blissfully unaware that there has never been a measurement of the greenhouse effect and it isn't even close to being quantified...

We have already experienced some of these changes.

I have experienced some small change in the climate...but where is your observed, measured, quantified evidence that what I have experienced is man's influence on the climate rather than just natural variability? I keep asking and you keep not delivering. Just because you believe doesn't make it true...and just because a lot of other people believe doesn't make it true...and just because scientists believe, doesn't make it true...just as stress doesn't cause stomach ulcers no matter how many scientists believed that it did.

Data makes it true...observed, measured, quantified data..and lots of it will make it true...I am not even asking for lots of it...I am just asking for one single solitary shred and you can't come up with it because none exists.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

Again with the logical fallacy...the IMPOTENT logical fallacy. Why do you keep bringing up topics that I haven't mentioned...I don't care what anyone says...I am asking for a single piece of observed, measured, quantified data that supports AGW over natural variability...Why do you keep trying to change the topic...what's the matter?...are you afraid to address the lack of data supporting your belief?

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.

I don't need any. I am not suggesting any action to try and change the climate...I am saying that the climate is behaving as it always has. You on the other hand are claiming that it is not...you are claiming that we are altering the climate and that it is going to become dangerous to us...that, cupcake requires evidence and the burden of that evidence falls on you...and guess what...there is none...not a single shred of observed, measured, quantified evidence supporting AGW over natural variability.

What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

I am worried about poor dolts like you dave...people who have been duped into playing the part of useful idiots...people who don't have any idea how many people they are hurting by their mindless political activism..and I am worried about the state of our educational system which would produce people like you who have such poor critical thinking and logical skills that you are unable to even question the fact that you believe in this scientific proposal without the first piece of actual data in support of the hypothesis...I am worried about poor stupid, uneducated, unthinking, people like you dave, and the damage they do with their good intentions every day.

 

[aoxomoxoa]

TMI Chernobyl Japan....

What is your plan for the waste?

Store it in hardened facilities until a way to treat it is figured out, or at least until someone finally figures out fusion.

And TMI and Fukishima were not even close to as bad as Chernobyl.

4th generation molten salt reactors will be able to use so-called nuclear waste.

Molten Salt Reactors - World Nuclear Association

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[RealDave]

So many scientists agree.

Irrelevant. Till recently, a greater percentage of scientists and physicians agreed that stress was the cause of stomach ulcers...and they have agreed for more than half a century...till they found out that they were wrong and realized that they also didn't have the first piece of real evidence supporting their belief...it was just group think.

Until recently nearly 100% of physicists, and chemists agreed that there was no such thing as quasi crystals...till they found out that they were wrong and also didn't have a single piece of real evidence supporting what they used to believe. Again, groupthink.

And the list goes on and on. In fact, just before most of what we know to be true today based on real evidence was not supported by most of science before that evidence came out. In relatively new fields of science such as climate change, nearly all have been found to be wrong in their early hypotheses...climate science is no different.

But I guess you are smarter than all of them.

No...but how smart do you have to be to realize that a scientific statement regarding an observable, measurable, quantifiable entity like the atmosphere that doesn't have the first piece of observed, measured quantified evidence supporting it over natural variability doesn't have much credibility?

This is why your pathetic ramblings are a joke.

So you think it is a joke that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured, quantified evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis over natural variability?...Sorry guy, but anyone who believes that actual evidence is not necessary is pathetic and a joke. Want to see a joke...look in the mirror...and while you are there, ask yourself why you believe when there isn't the first piece of real evidence.

This is the scientific method, nowhere does it say that appealing to authority and claiming consensus is a part of it. Scepticism is an integral part of being a scientist. Science is not PC, it doesn't affiliate to particular political parties or philosophies and computer models are no substitute for empirical evidence.


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To bad so many warmers are so scientifically illiterate that they don't even know what the scientific method is...and the rest are political hacks who aren't interested in science...they just want to see their political goals move forward.

Yep that's it. Warmers are all stupid & only you deniers are smart. The researchers just aren't doing it correctly.

Political goals? What the fuck? Of course a Trumpette would call science Fake News while embracing the oil funded deniers pushed by Republican leadership.

 

[RealDave]

TMI Chernobyl Japan....

What is your plan for the waste?

Store it in hardened facilities until a way to treat it is figured out, or at least until someone finally figures out fusion.

And TMI and Fukishima were not even close to as bad as Chernobyl.

4th generation molten salt reactors will be able to use so-called nuclear waste.

Molten Salt Reactors - World Nuclear Association

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

bring 'em on.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

TMI Chernobyl Japan....

What is your plan for the waste?

Store it in hardened facilities until a way to treat it is figured out, or at least until someone finally figures out fusion.

And TMI and Fukishima were not even close to as bad as Chernobyl.

4th generation molten salt reactors will be able to use so-called nuclear waste.

Molten Salt Reactors - World Nuclear Association

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

bring 'em on.

Mann wrote IPCC Third Assessment. Since he's not showing the data, how do you have any confidence at all that he didn't just make it all up?

"You mean Mann just made it all up? WTF am I doing in this stupid scuba suit?"

 

[RealDave]

No, I am saying you are a joke by claiming that there has not been any data or any observation. There are many factors into our climate & especially as to warming. For you, to claim it is impossible that man to be a cause is not only ridiculous, it is against everything you just wrote in your post.

Alas realdave..you are the joke. It hasn't escaped notice that you have yet to provide even a single piece of observed, measured data that supports the AGW hypothesis...much less one that supports AGW over natural variability...thus far, all you have managed to do is mire yourself in one logical fallacy after another.

Where are your observation, data, measured, quantified proof that man is not a cause of global warming?

I already provided you with some...unfortunately, you seem to be so scientifically illiterate, that you can't even recognize evidence when it is placed right in front of you and identified as such. Refer to post 278 and tell me how you believe anything going on in our climate today is different from natural variability.

Aside from that, asking me to prove a negative is just stupid....you are claiming that we are altering the global climate...the climate is behaving as it always has...the burden of evidence that what we are seeing is not natural variability lies on your shoulders...and as we have seen...you have nothing, because climate science has nothing.

This is the problem with assholes like you.

No, the problem is scientific illiterates like you who have been fooled and don't even realize that they are nothing but useful idiots for a political movement. Even when you see that you can't find the first piece of observed, measured, quantified data in support of your belief, you are to stupid to even wonder why no such data is available.

We are talking about a very complicated subject, the climate. No one can guarantee where it will be in 50 years or 100 years. We have a majority of climate scientists who are telling us that if we do not reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, our climate will change & make life on this planet more difficult for people, animals, vegetation.

No dave, we are talking about a real simple subject. That being the absolute, complete lack of observed, measured, quantified data that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability after decades and billions upon billions upon billions of dollars being spent. That is a very simple topic and one you don't seem to be able to address.

We know that the h0greenhouse effect is real & proven. We know that man has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

Really? Based on what observed, measured, quantified data...that is what I have been asking for. I know that you believe...you have proven that...what I want to see is some actual data. You seem blissfully unaware that there has never been a measurement of the greenhouse effect and it isn't even close to being quantified...

We have already experienced some of these changes.

I have experienced some small change in the climate...but where is your observed, measured, quantified evidence that what I have experienced is man's influence on the climate rather than just natural variability? I keep asking and you keep not delivering. Just because you believe doesn't make it true...and just because a lot of other people believe doesn't make it true...and just because scientists believe, doesn't make it true...just as stress doesn't cause stomach ulcers no matter how many scientists believed that it did.

Data makes it true...observed, measured, quantified data..and lots of it will make it true...I am not even asking for lots of it...I am just asking for one single solitary shred and you can't come up with it because none exists.

But then there are those duped by the fossil fuel industry & their paid puppets. Your political leaders tell you it isn't real & you throw your future generations into the trash bin. You vote for those who deny global warming & man's role. We all know that if Inconvenient Truth was done by Rush Limbaugh instead of Al Gore,you'd have your roof covered in panels, a windmill, & drive an electric car.

Again with the logical fallacy...the IMPOTENT logical fallacy. Why do you keep bringing up topics that I haven't mentioned...I don't care what anyone says...I am asking for a single piece of observed, measured, quantified data that supports AGW over natural variability...Why do you keep trying to change the topic...what's the matter?...are you afraid to address the lack of data supporting your belief?

You have no science that proves MMGW is false. All you have is a bunch of Big Oil funded puppets standing on the side lines throwing stones.

I don't need any. I am not suggesting any action to try and change the climate...I am saying that the climate is behaving as it always has. You on the other hand are claiming that it is not...you are claiming that we are altering the climate and that it is going to become dangerous to us...that, cupcake requires evidence and the burden of that evidence falls on you...and guess what...there is none...not a single shred of observed, measured, quantified evidence supporting AGW over natural variability.

What the fuick are you afraid of? That we will reduce emissions

I am worried about poor dolts like you dave...people who have been duped into playing the part of useful idiots...people who don't have any idea how many people they are hurting by their mindless political activism..and I am worried about the state of our educational system which would produce people like you who have such poor critical thinking and logical skills that you are unable to even question the fact that you believe in this scientific proposal without the first piece of actual data in support of the hypothesis...I am worried about poor stupid, uneducated, unthinking, people like you dave, and the damage they do with their good intentions every day.

So, there is no science behind MMGW? And you are so naive & call me duped.

I'll put my education up against yours any day.

But hey, keep standing on the sidelines & throwing stones. According to you, you can call MMGW false with absolutely no proof. Where the fuck is your data, Mr PhD in Dumbassology? Where is your scientific method?

Aren't you at least a little embarrassed that you align with Rush Limbaugh, Infowars & The Dumpster?

We have a theory at there. You stomp your feet, whine & writhe on the floor in a tantrum screaming " NO NO NO". WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING PROOF.

 

[RealDave]

TMI Chernobyl Japan....

What is your plan for the waste?

CO2 is gonna kill my kids, why are you worried about the waste?

I said CO2 will make your kids lives more difficult.

I am sure if you hate your children so much as condemn them to that life, you won't care if they have deformed children because a nuclear reactor failed during an earthquake out west or a train carrying the waste you love derails down the street.