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You have to be. All liberals are idiots.Riiiiight.Why would you leave your keys in your car?
I have forgotten my keys were left in my car. You never have?
No.
I'm not an idiot.
You promote a police state where criminals are set free and the law abiding are punished.Leaving your keys in your car isn't a stupid, irresponsible act? Shouldn't one be responsible for that act?
How about we focus on the criminal who steals the car? Why is that such a tough concept for you left wingers?
I've never stated not to focus on criminals. I've stated to not be stupid and make your stuff as inconvenient as possible to be stolen.
If it is in your home, you aren't being stupid. They are being criminals...if they want your gun they will get it. You don't care, you and your fellow anti gun religionists want the gun owners punished for the sin of owning a gun.
I'm a gun owner sir. I promote responsible gun ownership. You promote irresponsible gun ownership.
You believe that a residential burglar is as sophisticated as that and you call me 'deluded?'
How many guns that were secured in a safe were stolen last year in the US?
How many guns that were secured in a safe were used by kids that shot themselves or others last year in the US?
Quit making excuses for the brain dead gun owners and start taking responsibility.
They use stolen vehicles, including construction vehicles to break into heavily secured gun stores......
How about, instead of punishing the victims of the crime, gun owners who have their guns stolen, you actually punish the criminal who stole the fucking gun.....give them 30 years...how about that, genius?
The issue I bought is UNSECURED WEAPONS. If you use stolen construction vehicles wouldn't the weapons be secured and the use of the stolen construction vehicles be used to override the securement?
Nope.....not according to you. If a gun is in a home, it is secured. If someone breaks into the home and steals the gun, you want to punish the homeowner. That is fucking stupid.
If a kid finds a gun in an underwear drawer and shoots themselves or somebody else was that gun secured?
No. That isn't what you are saying. You are blaming the gun owner for someone breaking into their home. You need to shift the goal post since your original premise was stupid.
Your statement in post 101. Stop pretending to be a lawyer...you're not.Factually incorrect, as usual.
What is factually incorrect?
Leaving your keys in your car isn't a stupid, irresponsible act? Shouldn't one be responsible for that act?
Whoooooooooossssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................No, flea brain...I "believe" (actually, I KNOW) that many burglars are that "sophisticated". Plenty of gun safes can be opened in a few minutes, with a tire iron and a hammer! There are NO gun safes that actually meet the UL's lowest burglary performance rating.What part of "stolen" don't you get. If you have it in your house, it is secured...if someone breaks in and takes it, you are the victim...what part of that equation don't you get? Oh...that's right, you are a left winger.....even the most simple concept is beyond you...I apologize for trying to discuss the issue with you...
In all of my properties and cars I have biometric safes. That is secured. Idiot.
You poor, deluded fool. News flash: it is not at all difficult to get into most gun safes! Grab the whole thing, throw it in a truck, haul it home, and simply cut it open at my leisure. Most gun safes are more secure than a high-end file cabinet...but not by much. A truly SECURE safe costs as much as a new car.
You believe that a residential burglar is as sophisticated as that and you call me 'deluded?'
How many guns that were secured in a safe were stolen last year in the US?
How many guns that were secured in a safe were used by kids that shot themselves or others last year in the US?
Quit making excuses for the brain dead gun owners and start taking responsibility.
Your excuse for not securing your weapon is that not all safes are made equal?
Wouldn't you want your weapon to be as inconvenient as possible for someone to take, including little kids?
Naah...just take the whole vehicle! Thirty seconds with a (stolen) repo truck.And yet again: many gun "safes" can be opened by simply whacking them three or four times with an ax.No...they will just grab the whole thing!You do know that most safes available to the average person can be drilled into don't you?And if they want our guns they will either take your safes or break into them...so....you will then be responsible...right? moron
How do you take a safe that is secured. Break into a biometric safe......good luck! In either case you've secured the weapon. (idiot clause)
You think that just because it has a fingerprint scanner on it that it cant be forced open?
A residential burglar is going to take the time and make the noise to do such a thing? Really?
Mine are secured to the foundation of my property or the frame of my vehicle. To remove it would be a MAJOR inconvenience. Which is the point.
Horse shit. If the vehicle will not be used on public roads, nothing has to be registered.You get a signed title and a bill of sale. Both, by law, have to be registered with your State.
Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw
It is illegal in every state to sell a firearm to anyone legally prohibited from owning one.
And besides that people who want to illegally buy a gun will not seek out strangers for a private sale but will instead get guns from other criminal acquaintances or have a known friend or family member make a straw purchase
Yes, if the seller knows the purchaser is legally prohibited from owning a gun. The seller isn't even required to ask the purchasers name, and certainly isn't required to find out if he is selling to someone who legally can't have a gun. How is he supposed to know if the purchaser is prohibited from owning a gun?
the vast majority of gun owners are law abiding and will not risk selling guns to a person they do not know. And as you have been repeatedly told criminals rarely seek out private gun sales from strangers
Bullshit. There is nothing about being a gun owner that makes him less likely to legally sell to anyone if he doesn't specifically know the buyer is a crook.
It's obviously true since most criminals don't get their guns via private sales from unknown private parties.
I don't know how many times you need to be told that criminals get their guns predominately from other criminals or from family or friends who make straw purchases for them
Your fixation on this one area that is not the real problem with criminals obtaining guns tells me that you really have no agenda other than to target law abiding gun owners
They want universal gun registration....that is the only reason they are pushing for universal background checks. Registration gives them the power to confiscate and ban guns as soon as they can appoint judges and pass laws.
Bullshit.I have forgotten my keys were left in my car. You never have?
No.
Yes, if the seller knows the purchaser is legally prohibited from owning a gun. The seller isn't even required to ask the purchasers name, and certainly isn't required to find out if he is selling to someone who legally can't have a gun. How is he supposed to know if the purchaser is prohibited from owning a gun?
the vast majority of gun owners are law abiding and will not risk selling guns to a person they do not know. And as you have been repeatedly told criminals rarely seek out private gun sales from strangers
Bullshit. There is nothing about being a gun owner that makes him less likely to legally sell to anyone if he doesn't specifically know the buyer is a crook.
It's obviously true since most criminals don't get their guns via private sales from unknown private parties.
I don't know how many times you need to be told that criminals get their guns predominately from other criminals or from family or friends who make straw purchases for them
Your fixation on this one area that is not the real problem with criminals obtaining guns tells me that you really have no agenda other than to target law abiding gun owners
They want universal gun registration....that is the only reason they are pushing for universal background checks. Registration gives them the power to confiscate and ban guns as soon as they can appoint judges and pass laws.
Do background checks from a licensed dealer require those guns to be registered?
Horse shit. If the vehicle will not be used on public roads, nothing has to be registered.You get a signed title and a bill of sale. Both, by law, have to be registered with your State.
No...they will just grab the whole thing!You do know that most safes available to the average person can be drilled into don't you?And if they want our guns they will either take your safes or break into them...so....you will then be responsible...right? moron
How do you take a safe that is secured. Break into a biometric safe......good luck! In either case you've secured the weapon. (idiot clause)
You think that just because it has a fingerprint scanner on it that it cant be forced open?
A residential burglar is going to take the time and make the noise to do such a thing? Really?
Mine are secured to the foundation of my property or the frame of my vehicle. To remove it would be a MAJOR inconvenience. Which is the point.
No you don't.Horse shit. If the vehicle will not be used on public roads, nothing has to be registered.You get a signed title and a bill of sale. Both, by law, have to be registered with your State.
You still have to register the title (certificate of ownership) even if it isn't licensed.
How, EXACTLY, do you want that enforced? Be specific.
Lots of things without a 100% failsafe enforcement ability. Wiring and plumbing in a house are supposed to meet certain codes. There is no way to tell if a home owner did his own sub standard work and didn't bother requesting an inspection unless there is some problem that brings the substandard work to light at a later date. Even something as ubiquitous as having a license to drive a car can't be 100% failsafe. The cop doesn't know if you have a license to drive unless he has some reason to pull you over and check. Again, a hefty fine, but that is also after the fact. Honest sellers will do background checks, but some small number of sellers won't, and that small number won't be known unless something happens later to bring it to light. At that point, there are hefty fines, so most don't want to take a chance, and will do it properly. How are universal background checks any different? Catch a seller selling without a background check, give them a hefty fine, or some other appropriate punishment.
Nope....guns are private property.....we have a right to sell our own property in this country, comrade. Punish the actual criminal who buys the gun illegally, that is how you actually make a difference, lock them up for 30 years. As this thread shows......
They caught the actual illegal gun seller without the background check doing anything since he passed the background check....and still sold the gun to a criminal...
The first post of this thread shows your idea doesn't work...at all.....
The guy who sold the gun to the criminal...passed the current FEDERAL background check....he would pass any future private sale background check...so you whole point doesn't mean anything since it has been shown, here in this thread, that it is unnecessary to catch people intentionally selling guns to criminals.....
These guys were caught with current police techniques...they did not go through a background check....
Your whole premise is dumb.
Cars are also, but you have paperwork to complete the sale.
Not really. If you buy a car for cash all you get is a title from the seller. The sale is not reported to anyone. You do not have to register that car
You get a signed title and a bill of sale. Both, by law, have to be registered with your State.
Then libtards will let them go.
This libtard believes that if you use any weapon to commit a crime you should go to jail for life. If you injure someone while committing a crime you should be killed.
In regard to guns; if you are a gun owner and don't secure your gun which is stolen or used by somebody other than you, and is used in a crime or death of another, you should suffer the wrath.
Sure, just as soon as you agree that if someone steals your car and kills someone with it, you should be responsible.
If you leave your keys in your car.....yes.
No.
The person who took your car is responsible for what happens since he is the one committing the crime.
Tell me do you think a woman who wears short skirts is responsible for getting raped?
Why would you try to compare theft of property with sexual assault? You must have voted for Donald "Grab Her By The Pussy" Trump.
Texas Transportation Code
545.404 UNATTENDED VEHICLE
An operator may not leave the vehicle unattended without:
(1) stopping the engine;
(2) locking the ignition;
(3) removing the key from the ignition;
(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and
(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway.
And yes, you may well be cited for it after having your car stolen.
It's the same in all 50 States.
No you are saying the victim of a theft needs to be held responsible for the theft if the crime involves the theft of a gunYour statement in post 101. Stop pretending to be a lawyer...you're not.Factually incorrect, as usual.
What is factually incorrect?
Leaving your keys in your car isn't a stupid, irresponsible act? Shouldn't one be responsible for that act?
How about we focus on the criminal who steals the car? Why is that such a tough concept for you left wingers?
I've never stated not to focus on criminals. I've stated to not be stupid and make your stuff as inconvenient as possible to be stolen.
Then libtards will let them go.
This libtard believes that if you use any weapon to commit a crime you should go to jail for life. If you injure someone while committing a crime you should be killed.
In regard to guns; if you are a gun owner and don't secure your gun which is stolen or used by somebody other than you, and is used in a crime or death of another, you should suffer the wrath.
Sure, just as soon as you agree that if someone steals your car and kills someone with it, you should be responsible.
If you leave your keys in your car.....yes.
No.
The person who took your car is responsible for what happens since he is the one committing the crime.
Tell me do you think a woman who wears short skirts is responsible for getting raped?
Why would you try to compare theft of property with sexual assault? You must have voted for Donald "Grab Her By The Pussy" Trump.
Texas Transportation Code
545.404 UNATTENDED VEHICLE
An operator may not leave the vehicle unattended without:
(1) stopping the engine;
(2) locking the ignition;
(3) removing the key from the ignition;
(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and
(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway.
And yes, you may well be cited for it after having your car stolen.
It's the same in all 50 States.
Lots of things without a 100% failsafe enforcement ability. Wiring and plumbing in a house are supposed to meet certain codes. There is no way to tell if a home owner did his own sub standard work and didn't bother requesting an inspection unless there is some problem that brings the substandard work to light at a later date. Even something as ubiquitous as having a license to drive a car can't be 100% failsafe. The cop doesn't know if you have a license to drive unless he has some reason to pull you over and check. Again, a hefty fine, but that is also after the fact. Honest sellers will do background checks, but some small number of sellers won't, and that small number won't be known unless something happens later to bring it to light. At that point, there are hefty fines, so most don't want to take a chance, and will do it properly. How are universal background checks any different? Catch a seller selling without a background check, give them a hefty fine, or some other appropriate punishment.
Nope....guns are private property.....we have a right to sell our own property in this country, comrade. Punish the actual criminal who buys the gun illegally, that is how you actually make a difference, lock them up for 30 years. As this thread shows......
They caught the actual illegal gun seller without the background check doing anything since he passed the background check....and still sold the gun to a criminal...
The first post of this thread shows your idea doesn't work...at all.....
The guy who sold the gun to the criminal...passed the current FEDERAL background check....he would pass any future private sale background check...so you whole point doesn't mean anything since it has been shown, here in this thread, that it is unnecessary to catch people intentionally selling guns to criminals.....
These guys were caught with current police techniques...they did not go through a background check....
Your whole premise is dumb.
Cars are also, but you have paperwork to complete the sale.
Not really. If you buy a car for cash all you get is a title from the seller. The sale is not reported to anyone. You do not have to register that car
You get a signed title and a bill of sale. Both, by law, have to be registered with your State.
No they don't.
You get the title which is the bill of sale and if you don't register the car you don't have to notify the state of the purchase.
This libtard believes that if you use any weapon to commit a crime you should go to jail for life. If you injure someone while committing a crime you should be killed.
In regard to guns; if you are a gun owner and don't secure your gun which is stolen or used by somebody other than you, and is used in a crime or death of another, you should suffer the wrath.
Sure, just as soon as you agree that if someone steals your car and kills someone with it, you should be responsible.
If you leave your keys in your car.....yes.
No.
The person who took your car is responsible for what happens since he is the one committing the crime.
Tell me do you think a woman who wears short skirts is responsible for getting raped?
Why would you try to compare theft of property with sexual assault? You must have voted for Donald "Grab Her By The Pussy" Trump.
Texas Transportation Code
545.404 UNATTENDED VEHICLE
An operator may not leave the vehicle unattended without:
(1) stopping the engine;
(2) locking the ignition;
(3) removing the key from the ignition;
(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and
(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway.
And yes, you may well be cited for it after having your car stolen.
It's the same in all 50 States.
And if the car gets stolen the owner is not the one at fault
