Dangerous Denial: Just 29% Of Democrats Say Orlando Was An Islamic Terror Attack

[bripat9643]

Most conservatives appear to believe that Islam itself is the problem.

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. People kill people. Eh?

So Nazis didn't kill anyone?

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Isn't that true?

Nazis are people, and so are Muslims.

 

[NYcarbineer]

To say Islam is responsible is to say religion is. The Koran and the Bible have the same 'rules' regarding these things, and it is the over-the-top following of such teachings that leads to absurd excesses.

They don't have the same rules. Furthermore, Jesus didn't commit any of these atrocities. Muhammad did. He committed slavery, rape, genocide, murder and child molestation, among other things.

Christians committed atrocities in the name of Jesus for a thousand years.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Most conservatives appear to believe that Islam itself is the problem.

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. Eh?

Then why does the Koran command infidels be killed?

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most conservatives appear to believe that Islam itself is the problem.

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. People kill people. Eh?

but you think GUNS kill people...WTF!

You don't know my position.

Oh please. You believe whatever Obama believes. So, that is easy to determine.

You're in over your head.

 

[gipper]

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. People kill people. Eh?

but you think GUNS kill people...WTF!

You don't know my position.

Oh please. You believe whatever Obama believes. So, that is easy to determine.

You're in over your head.

Leftists...they are so simple.

 

[irosie91]

If there was ever proof that Dims are a bunch of brainwashed drones, this is it.

Dangerous Denial: Just 29% Of Democrats Say Orlando Was An Islamic Terror Attack
Radical Islam: Omar Mateen could not have been more clear or more emphatic about his motivation for killing 49 people and wounding 53 others at an Orlando gay nightclub. [snip] Yet when Gallup surveyed the public about the attack, just 29% of Democrats said that it was an act of Islamic terrorism.

YOur argument would have merit if Mateen was being funded by ISIS, ISIS Provided him the guns, etc. You know, like Bin Laden did with the 19 assholes who carried out 9/11.

But, no, this was a crazy guy the ISIS leaders in Syria didn't know from Adam before Sunday.

Wrong, asshole. You apparently believe that you get to define some ridiculously narrow set of conditions which define what a terrorist is. He as in contact with ISIS and he said he did what he did in the name of ISIS. That's more than sufficient.

in order to understand just what ISIS is----read the koran. It is too late to learn about islam from muslims in the USA----they are GUARDED as to what they say now. Its been difficult since 9-11-01. I have socialized with muslims from---actual real Islamic backgrounds---since the early 1960s----feel free to ask questions. A factoid that might help in your "understanding"----muslims from all over the world are either JOINING up ISIS---or want to or at least support it----generally sunni muslims.

Are you Christian? Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? Do you obey its admonition that homosexuals should be killed?

I am not sure what "the bible" says about homosexuals. The interpretation of Leviticus is ---the Talmud. There are issues of semantics------SHOULD DIE----does not always denote----"EXECUTE" them. In jewish jurisprudence there are lots of different ways to "die"-----some of them refer to DIVINELY MEDIATED DEATH. Even 'divinely mediated death' comes in several
different flavors-------I do not recall any reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. I don't know when CANON LAW came up with the death penalty for homosexuality------it DID, certainly, exist during the time of the Inquisition

 

[bripat9643]

The fact that Muslims are guilty of numerous mass murders is what makes them guilty of numerous mass murders. The Jews were guilty of leaving people alone.

See the difference?

Oh, I see. If you're the same religion as a murderer, you're a murderer.

So we shouldn't be concerned about Nazis since most of them didn't kill anyone?

Islam is a bloodthirsty cult. Many of those who believe in it support things like ISIS and Sharia. People who believe dangerous ideas are inherently dangerous. We fought a world war to rid the world of fascism, but morons like you refuse to even consider blocking these savages from entering our country.

I would not blame an innocent German for the crimes of the Nazis. Nor did our government after the war.

So if a German was a Nazi and approved of the Holocaust but didn't personally kill anyone, would you blame him for it?

As much as I would blame you for wanting a genocide of Muslims.

Again, when has anyone proposed such a thing? You keep leveling that accusation because you're a douche bag. You are incapable of arguing honestly.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most conservatives appear to believe that Islam itself is the problem.

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. Eh?

Then why does the Koran command infidels be killed?

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Why do most Muslims ignore those 'commands'?

Why aren't most Christians killing homosexuals when it's commanded in the Bible?

 

[Correll]

"Dangerous Denial: Just 29% Of Democrats Say Orlando Was An Islamic Terror Attack"

Nonsense.

Those democrats are just as wrong as you and other rightwing bigots.

And the danger is indeed the unwarranted bigotry and hate directed at Muslims by most on the right, and conservatives’ denial of the fact that Islam is not to ‘blame’ for Orlando.

Orlando was a tragic mass murder committed by a sick, deranged individual, not a mass murder committed by a religion.

And that 71 percent of democrats correctly understand that individuals alone are responsible for their actions, not religions, indicates that the vast majority of democrats are not hateful bigots with regard to Muslims and Islam.

Pity the same cannot be said for republicans.

You keep telling yourself that as people keep dying.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If there was ever proof that Dims are a bunch of brainwashed drones, this is it.

Dangerous Denial: Just 29% Of Democrats Say Orlando Was An Islamic Terror Attack
Radical Islam: Omar Mateen could not have been more clear or more emphatic about his motivation for killing 49 people and wounding 53 others at an Orlando gay nightclub. [snip] Yet when Gallup surveyed the public about the attack, just 29% of Democrats said that it was an act of Islamic terrorism.

YOur argument would have merit if Mateen was being funded by ISIS, ISIS Provided him the guns, etc. You know, like Bin Laden did with the 19 assholes who carried out 9/11.

But, no, this was a crazy guy the ISIS leaders in Syria didn't know from Adam before Sunday.

Wrong, asshole. You apparently believe that you get to define some ridiculously narrow set of conditions which define what a terrorist is. He as in contact with ISIS and he said he did what he did in the name of ISIS. That's more than sufficient.

in order to understand just what ISIS is----read the koran. It is too late to learn about islam from muslims in the USA----they are GUARDED as to what they say now. Its been difficult since 9-11-01. I have socialized with muslims from---actual real Islamic backgrounds---since the early 1960s----feel free to ask questions. A factoid that might help in your "understanding"----muslims from all over the world are either JOINING up ISIS---or want to or at least support it----generally sunni muslims.

Are you Christian? Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? Do you obey its admonition that homosexuals should be killed?

I am not sure what "the bible" says about homosexuals. The interpretation of Leviticus is ---the Talmud. There are issues of semantics------SHOULD DIE----does not always denote----"EXECUTE" them. In jewish jurisprudence there are lots of different ways to "die"-----some of them refer to DIVINELY MEDIATED DEATH. Even 'divinely mediated death' comes in several
different flavors-------I do not recall any reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. I don't know when CANON LAW came up with the death penalty for homosexuality------it DID, certainly, exist during the time of the Inquisition

So you concede that it's perfectly acceptable for an otherwise good Christian to pick and choose what parts of the Bible he believes and follows.

How is that not also a Muslim's choice regarding the Koran?

 

[irosie91]

Most conservatives appear to believe that Islam itself is the problem.

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. People kill people. Eh?

yes----ISLAM DOES NOT DO IT-----islam is an ideology which promotes it. The current vogue is----LET'S DENY THAT FACT

 

[NYcarbineer]

The poll was stupid. It asked whether the shooting was more Islamic terror or more domestic gun violence.

What the fuck kind of choice is that? One's a motive, one's an act. They are suitable for 'either/or'.

 

[irosie91]

YOur argument would have merit if Mateen was being funded by ISIS, ISIS Provided him the guns, etc. You know, like Bin Laden did with the 19 assholes who carried out 9/11.

But, no, this was a crazy guy the ISIS leaders in Syria didn't know from Adam before Sunday.

Wrong, asshole. You apparently believe that you get to define some ridiculously narrow set of conditions which define what a terrorist is. He as in contact with ISIS and he said he did what he did in the name of ISIS. That's more than sufficient.

in order to understand just what ISIS is----read the koran. It is too late to learn about islam from muslims in the USA----they are GUARDED as to what they say now. Its been difficult since 9-11-01. I have socialized with muslims from---actual real Islamic backgrounds---since the early 1960s----feel free to ask questions. A factoid that might help in your "understanding"----muslims from all over the world are either JOINING up ISIS---or want to or at least support it----generally sunni muslims.

Are you Christian? Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? Do you obey its admonition that homosexuals should be killed?

I am not sure what "the bible" says about homosexuals. The interpretation of Leviticus is ---the Talmud. There are issues of semantics------SHOULD DIE----does not always denote----"EXECUTE" them. In jewish jurisprudence there are lots of different ways to "die"-----some of them refer to DIVINELY MEDIATED DEATH. Even 'divinely mediated death' comes in several
different flavors-------I do not recall any reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. I don't know when CANON LAW came up with the death penalty for homosexuality------it DID, certainly, exist during the time of the Inquisition

So you concede that it's perfectly acceptable for an otherwise good Christian to pick and choose what parts of the Bible he believes and follows.

How is that not also a Muslim's choice regarding the Koran?

yes it is a CHOICE. Currently mainstream muslim clerics support the CHOICE that renders the killing of "THE ENEMEEEES OF ISLAM" legal (I learned about it in a mosque)

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most conservatives appear to believe that Islam itself is the problem.

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. People kill people. Eh?

yes----ISLAM DOES NOT DO IT-----islam is an ideology which promotes it. The current vogue is----LET'S DENY THAT FACT

People have to promote it.

 

[there4eyeM]

To say Islam is responsible is to say religion is. The Koran and the Bible have the same 'rules' regarding these things, and it is the over-the-top following of such teachings that leads to absurd excesses.

They don't have the same rules. Furthermore, Jesus didn't commit any of these atrocities. Muhammad did. He committed slavery, rape, genocide, murder and child molestation, among other things.

There is absolutely no comparing Jesus with Mohammed.
There is absolutely great similarity in the prohibitions in the Koran and Bible.
The actions of so-called Christians and the actions of so-called Moslems are often similar.
There is, perhaps, the link; religion.

 

[irosie91]

Most conservatives appear to believe that Islam itself is the problem.

It's not?

Religions don't kill people. People kill people. Eh?

yes----ISLAM DOES NOT DO IT-----islam is an ideology which promotes it. The current vogue is----LET'S DENY THAT FACT

People have to promote it.

yes-----islamist ideologues promote it

 

[there4eyeM]

Wrong, asshole. You apparently believe that you get to define some ridiculously narrow set of conditions which define what a terrorist is. He as in contact with ISIS and he said he did what he did in the name of ISIS. That's more than sufficient.

in order to understand just what ISIS is----read the koran. It is too late to learn about islam from muslims in the USA----they are GUARDED as to what they say now. Its been difficult since 9-11-01. I have socialized with muslims from---actual real Islamic backgrounds---since the early 1960s----feel free to ask questions. A factoid that might help in your "understanding"----muslims from all over the world are either JOINING up ISIS---or want to or at least support it----generally sunni muslims.

Are you Christian? Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? Do you obey its admonition that homosexuals should be killed?

I am not sure what "the bible" says about homosexuals. The interpretation of Leviticus is ---the Talmud. There are issues of semantics------SHOULD DIE----does not always denote----"EXECUTE" them. In jewish jurisprudence there are lots of different ways to "die"-----some of them refer to DIVINELY MEDIATED DEATH. Even 'divinely mediated death' comes in several
different flavors-------I do not recall any reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. I don't know when CANON LAW came up with the death penalty for homosexuality------it DID, certainly, exist during the time of the Inquisition

So you concede that it's perfectly acceptable for an otherwise good Christian to pick and choose what parts of the Bible he believes and follows.

How is that not also a Muslim's choice regarding the Koran?

yes it is a CHOICE. Currently mainstream muslim clerics support the CHOICE that renders the killing of "THE ENEMEEEES OF ISLAM" legal (I learned about it in a mosque)

That is not a war you are going to win with arms. Only better ideas can defeat inferior ones.

 

[irosie91]

in order to understand just what ISIS is----read the koran. It is too late to learn about islam from muslims in the USA----they are GUARDED as to what they say now. Its been difficult since 9-11-01. I have socialized with muslims from---actual real Islamic backgrounds---since the early 1960s----feel free to ask questions. A factoid that might help in your "understanding"----muslims from all over the world are either JOINING up ISIS---or want to or at least support it----generally sunni muslims.

Are you Christian? Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? Do you obey its admonition that homosexuals should be killed?

I am not sure what "the bible" says about homosexuals. The interpretation of Leviticus is ---the Talmud. There are issues of semantics------SHOULD DIE----does not always denote----"EXECUTE" them. In jewish jurisprudence there are lots of different ways to "die"-----some of them refer to DIVINELY MEDIATED DEATH. Even 'divinely mediated death' comes in several
different flavors-------I do not recall any reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. I don't know when CANON LAW came up with the death penalty for homosexuality------it DID, certainly, exist during the time of the Inquisition

So you concede that it's perfectly acceptable for an otherwise good Christian to pick and choose what parts of the Bible he believes and follows.

How is that not also a Muslim's choice regarding the Koran?

yes it is a CHOICE. Currently mainstream muslim clerics support the CHOICE that renders the killing of "THE ENEMEEEES OF ISLAM" legal (I learned about it in a mosque)

That is not a war you are going to win with arms. Only better ideas can defeat inferior ones.

which side do you expect to consider its ideas
INFERIOR vs SUPERIOR?

 

[there4eyeM]

Are you Christian? Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? Do you obey its admonition that homosexuals should be killed?

I am not sure what "the bible" says about homosexuals. The interpretation of Leviticus is ---the Talmud. There are issues of semantics------SHOULD DIE----does not always denote----"EXECUTE" them. In jewish jurisprudence there are lots of different ways to "die"-----some of them refer to DIVINELY MEDIATED DEATH. Even 'divinely mediated death' comes in several
different flavors-------I do not recall any reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. I don't know when CANON LAW came up with the death penalty for homosexuality------it DID, certainly, exist during the time of the Inquisition

So you concede that it's perfectly acceptable for an otherwise good Christian to pick and choose what parts of the Bible he believes and follows.

How is that not also a Muslim's choice regarding the Koran?

yes it is a CHOICE. Currently mainstream muslim clerics support the CHOICE that renders the killing of "THE ENEMEEEES OF ISLAM" legal (I learned about it in a mosque)

That is not a war you are going to win with arms. Only better ideas can defeat inferior ones.

which side do you expect to consider its ideas
INFERIOR vs SUPERIOR?

Expectation is not the issue. The one that wins the young is the better.

 

[irosie91]

This is the problem. Common sense tells you the logical solution!

That was (is) the Nazi view of Jews...not that that analogy would bother you.

What mass murders did the Jews commit before WW II?

What does it matter? How does that make innocent Muslims guilty of anything?

The fact that Muslims are guilty of numerous mass murders is what makes them guilty of numerous mass murders. The Jews were guilty of leaving people alone.

See the difference?

Oh, I see. If you're the same religion as a murderer, you're a murderer.

how do you define the capital crime "MURDER" ?? In Islamic law ---capital crime murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a MUSLIM. Unless one of his victims was a muslim---Omar would not be convicted of murder in a shariah court