Delegates....a rigged system?

[thanatos144]

Who said "on par"? Where are those words in my post? Oh, they aren't there? Then I will assume that this is your newfound leftist debate style, which you should be SO proud of having adopted.

Let me repeat myself a little slower, since while adopting leftspeak, you apparently also reduced your IQ by 50 points to match theirs (not to mention took on their sense of shame). They are doing the same thing you are doing, ie. attempting to influence public policy. They are just spending more time, effort, and money than you are, and thus being more effective.

So OBVIOUSLY, LeftWeasel, I said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of you being on any "par" with anyone. I said, "Same goals, different effort, different result".

The "entire election process" is not run through the parties. The party operations are run through the parties. I dunno about where you live - and clearly, YOU don't know about where you live either, if you've drunk so much Trump-Aid that you think elections are run by political parties - but where I live, the elections are run by the Arizona Secretary of State's office and the various county recorders' offices. I suspect wherever you live has similar GOVERNMENT offices that handle GOVERNMENT functions, and I'm sure they could probably run an intervention for you and explain the whole "difference between government and private organizations" thing for you.

"They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing ..."
Those are your words, not mine. I'm not on par with the political parties. They have quite a bit more influence that I do. Insulting people is all you have. Your dismissal of the importance the parties play because they are privately owned is your problem, not mine. I don't need to dismiss anything. Sure, government agencies print up the pamphlets, count the votes, etc. but it all about who the party is backing. The higher up, the more it matters.

Your hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't goose step behind your anti-Trump hysteria is amusing to read. Like it's going to matter!

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

go look up how many parties run for president and then please apologize to us all for your ignorance. off the top of my head there is republican, democrat, red ,Communist, green , socialist, libertarian, and several more.....you cant find a choice among those???? I know it is really because fake tans and comb overs turn you on.

Sounds like you are still high from sniffing your dog's asshole. When you come down tell me how you determined your comments are related to anything I said. Thanks!

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

 

[Iceweasel]

"They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing ..."
Those are your words, not mine. I'm not on par with the political parties. They have quite a bit more influence that I do. Insulting people is all you have. Your dismissal of the importance the parties play because they are privately owned is your problem, not mine. I don't need to dismiss anything. Sure, government agencies print up the pamphlets, count the votes, etc. but it all about who the party is backing. The higher up, the more it matters.

Your hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't goose step behind your anti-Trump hysteria is amusing to read. Like it's going to matter!

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

go look up how many parties run for president and then please apologize to us all for your ignorance. off the top of my head there is republican, democrat, red ,Communist, green , socialist, libertarian, and several more.....you cant find a choice among those???? I know it is really because fake tans and comb overs turn you on.

Sounds like you are still high from sniffing your dog's asshole. When you come down tell me how you determined your comments are related to anything I said. Thanks!

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

Like I said come down from your dog's anal fume high first. I said they pick our choices, and they do. I didn't say I wasn't allowed to pick one of them.

Stupid fuck.

 

[Cecilie1200]

They're no more "deeply involved" with the government than any group of citizens attempting to influence the policies of the government that affect their lives. They're private organizations. Being organized to affect public policy rather than organized to generate income changes that not in the slightest. There is no amount of "Ehrmagerd, they want to get a candidate elected, that means they're GOVERNMENT!" that will make that true.

They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing, really, except they're working harder at it, spending more money on it, and being more effective at it.

I'm on par with the Republican and Democratic national parties? You are living in denial, that must be your problem.

The entire election process on local, state and federal government is run through them. How does that not speak to you?

Who said "on par"? Where are those words in my post? Oh, they aren't there? Then I will assume that this is your newfound leftist debate style, which you should be SO proud of having adopted.

Let me repeat myself a little slower, since while adopting leftspeak, you apparently also reduced your IQ by 50 points to match theirs (not to mention took on their sense of shame). They are doing the same thing you are doing, ie. attempting to influence public policy. They are just spending more time, effort, and money than you are, and thus being more effective.

So OBVIOUSLY, LeftWeasel, I said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of you being on any "par" with anyone. I said, "Same goals, different effort, different result".

The "entire election process" is not run through the parties. The party operations are run through the parties. I dunno about where you live - and clearly, YOU don't know about where you live either, if you've drunk so much Trump-Aid that you think elections are run by political parties - but where I live, the elections are run by the Arizona Secretary of State's office and the various county recorders' offices. I suspect wherever you live has similar GOVERNMENT offices that handle GOVERNMENT functions, and I'm sure they could probably run an intervention for you and explain the whole "difference between government and private organizations" thing for you.

"They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing ..."
Those are your words, not mine. I'm not on par with the political parties. They have quite a bit more influence that I do. Insulting people is all you have. Your dismissal of the importance the parties play because they are privately owned is your problem, not mine. I don't need to dismiss anything. Sure, government agencies print up the pamphlets, count the votes, etc. but it all about who the party is backing. The higher up, the more it matters.

Your hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't goose step behind your anti-Trump hysteria is amusing to read. Like it's going to matter!

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

There is very much a comparison, unless you're a leftist who considers money and success to be "eeeevils" for which one needs to be punished. There is no excusing or justifying your position, no matter how hard YOU massage it. You've drunk the Trump populist KoolAid and starting mouthing arguments, positions, and outrages that are decidedly left of where you were a year ago, and put yourself at opposition to people who've always been your allies in the past. Ask yourself: are you bitterly sniping at me today because I'VE suddenly become anything different than I've always been, or suddenly starting saying anything different than I always have? If we're on opposing sides, which one of us moved?

 

[Cecilie1200]

To gauge and influence public opinion. Why does it confuse YOU that opinions aren't, and have no right to be, binding on anyone?

Seriously?

Your statement is sheer lunacy!

It's sheer lunacy that they have voting in primaries to find out what people want? You're bitching and moaning because of the supposed sacredness of "the will of the people" expressed in those non-binding votes, which should immediately be put under the control of the government because they're what people want, and NOW it's "sheer lunacy" that they're about finding out what people want?

The only lunacy about my statement is that I bothered to make it to you as though you had two functioning brain cells in the same area of your skull.

You can throw a hissy fit all you want but the fact is a lot of people are made aware in this election cycle of just how corrupt the delegation process is, left and right. It explains why the right has been saddled with such milktoast candidates as Dole, McCain, Romney. The conservatives can't get enthused and the middle can't be bothered. Yet, the party heads don't care because they benefit just the same.

Big business and government scratching each others' backs is what makes politics go 'round and many are sick of it and want the people to pick their representatives, not party heads. Sorry if it bothers you.

You can throw a hissy fit all YOU want, but the fact is, that's all you're doing is throwing a hissy fit. People are being made aware this election cycle of just how ignorant and lazy they have been, and responding by screaming and stomping your little feet and demanding that someone make the world the way you all thought it was RIGHT NOW will accomplish nothing, nor does it do our nation any good to encourage such behavior. Grow up.

You want to know why people haven't gotten good candidates? Look no farther than the mirror. Would you even recognize a good candidate if you got one? You're enthused about Donald fricking Trump. 'Nuff said.

I haven't thrown a hissy fit and your lies are getting very old. I don't need to lie for my beliefs. YOU do!

Oh? In what way are my beliefs today any different than they were a year ago, when you and I were debating allies? If those positions are "lies", then doesn't that mean that a year ago, when you were agreeing with them, that YOU were a liar? Or does it mean that you're bullshitting to cover up that you've sold out for the glitter and gilt of a celebrity candidate?

 

[Cecilie1200]

"They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing ..."
Those are your words, not mine. I'm not on par with the political parties. They have quite a bit more influence that I do. Insulting people is all you have. Your dismissal of the importance the parties play because they are privately owned is your problem, not mine. I don't need to dismiss anything. Sure, government agencies print up the pamphlets, count the votes, etc. but it all about who the party is backing. The higher up, the more it matters.

Your hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't goose step behind your anti-Trump hysteria is amusing to read. Like it's going to matter!

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

go look up how many parties run for president and then please apologize to us all for your ignorance. off the top of my head there is republican, democrat, red ,Communist, green , socialist, libertarian, and several more.....you cant find a choice among those???? I know it is really because fake tans and comb overs turn you on.

Sounds like you are still high from sniffing your dog's asshole. When you come down tell me how you determined your comments are related to anything I said. Thanks!

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

He's apparently deeply offended that people have a right to choose who they support for President without his advice and consent.

 

[thanatos144]

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

go look up how many parties run for president and then please apologize to us all for your ignorance. off the top of my head there is republican, democrat, red ,Communist, green , socialist, libertarian, and several more.....you cant find a choice among those???? I know it is really because fake tans and comb overs turn you on.

Sounds like you are still high from sniffing your dog's asshole. When you come down tell me how you determined your comments are related to anything I said. Thanks!

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

Like I said come down from your dog's anal fume high first. I said they pick our choices, and they do. I didn't say I wasn't allowed to pick one of them.

Stupid fuck.

you do know republicans choose their nominee....Why the fuck should non republicans do it ?

 

[Iceweasel]

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

go look up how many parties run for president and then please apologize to us all for your ignorance. off the top of my head there is republican, democrat, red ,Communist, green , socialist, libertarian, and several more.....you cant find a choice among those???? I know it is really because fake tans and comb overs turn you on.

Sounds like you are still high from sniffing your dog's asshole. When you come down tell me how you determined your comments are related to anything I said. Thanks!

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

Like I said come down from your dog's anal fume high first. I said they pick our choices, and they do. I didn't say I wasn't allowed to pick one of them.

Stupid fuck.

you do know republicans choose their nominee....Why the fuck should non republicans do it ?

You still can't grasp the point? LOL.

 

[Iceweasel]

Seriously?

Your statement is sheer lunacy!

It's sheer lunacy that they have voting in primaries to find out what people want? You're bitching and moaning because of the supposed sacredness of "the will of the people" expressed in those non-binding votes, which should immediately be put under the control of the government because they're what people want, and NOW it's "sheer lunacy" that they're about finding out what people want?

The only lunacy about my statement is that I bothered to make it to you as though you had two functioning brain cells in the same area of your skull.

You can throw a hissy fit all you want but the fact is a lot of people are made aware in this election cycle of just how corrupt the delegation process is, left and right. It explains why the right has been saddled with such milktoast candidates as Dole, McCain, Romney. The conservatives can't get enthused and the middle can't be bothered. Yet, the party heads don't care because they benefit just the same.

Big business and government scratching each others' backs is what makes politics go 'round and many are sick of it and want the people to pick their representatives, not party heads. Sorry if it bothers you.

You can throw a hissy fit all YOU want, but the fact is, that's all you're doing is throwing a hissy fit. People are being made aware this election cycle of just how ignorant and lazy they have been, and responding by screaming and stomping your little feet and demanding that someone make the world the way you all thought it was RIGHT NOW will accomplish nothing, nor does it do our nation any good to encourage such behavior. Grow up.

You want to know why people haven't gotten good candidates? Look no farther than the mirror. Would you even recognize a good candidate if you got one? You're enthused about Donald fricking Trump. 'Nuff said.

I haven't thrown a hissy fit and your lies are getting very old. I don't need to lie for my beliefs. YOU do!

Oh? In what way are my beliefs today any different than they were a year ago, when you and I were debating allies? If those positions are "lies", then doesn't that mean that a year ago, when you were agreeing with them, that YOU were a liar? Or does it mean that you're bullshitting to cover up that you've sold out for the glitter and gilt of a celebrity candidate?

You're lying about me, I didn't say you changed your beliefs. So now here's yet another example of you misrepresenting me. I don't need to do that but you choose to in order to hold the beliefs you do. Honestly is that hard for you?

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm on par with the Republican and Democratic national parties? You are living in denial, that must be your problem.

The entire election process on local, state and federal government is run through them. How does that not speak to you?

Who said "on par"? Where are those words in my post? Oh, they aren't there? Then I will assume that this is your newfound leftist debate style, which you should be SO proud of having adopted.

Let me repeat myself a little slower, since while adopting leftspeak, you apparently also reduced your IQ by 50 points to match theirs (not to mention took on their sense of shame). They are doing the same thing you are doing, ie. attempting to influence public policy. They are just spending more time, effort, and money than you are, and thus being more effective.

So OBVIOUSLY, LeftWeasel, I said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of you being on any "par" with anyone. I said, "Same goals, different effort, different result".

The "entire election process" is not run through the parties. The party operations are run through the parties. I dunno about where you live - and clearly, YOU don't know about where you live either, if you've drunk so much Trump-Aid that you think elections are run by political parties - but where I live, the elections are run by the Arizona Secretary of State's office and the various county recorders' offices. I suspect wherever you live has similar GOVERNMENT offices that handle GOVERNMENT functions, and I'm sure they could probably run an intervention for you and explain the whole "difference between government and private organizations" thing for you.

"They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing ..."
Those are your words, not mine. I'm not on par with the political parties. They have quite a bit more influence that I do. Insulting people is all you have. Your dismissal of the importance the parties play because they are privately owned is your problem, not mine. I don't need to dismiss anything. Sure, government agencies print up the pamphlets, count the votes, etc. but it all about who the party is backing. The higher up, the more it matters.

Your hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't goose step behind your anti-Trump hysteria is amusing to read. Like it's going to matter!

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

There is very much a comparison, unless you're a leftist who considers money and success to be "eeeevils" for which one needs to be punished. There is no excusing or justifying your position, no matter how hard YOU massage it. You've drunk the Trump populist KoolAid and starting mouthing arguments, positions, and outrages that are decidedly left of where you were a year ago, and put yourself at opposition to people who've always been your allies in the past. Ask yourself: are you bitterly sniping at me today because I'VE suddenly become anything different than I've always been, or suddenly starting saying anything different than I always have? If we're on opposing sides, which one of us moved?

What the fuck are you even rambling on about? I don't need to justify my position, I disagree with you and for whatever reasons you can't stand it.

Unlike yourself I don't see Trump like you do so that makes me a KoolAid drinker. No, that makes you the KoolAid drinker, you're the one spouting cult shit here, not me.

 

[thanatos144]

go look up how many parties run for president and then please apologize to us all for your ignorance. off the top of my head there is republican, democrat, red ,Communist, green , socialist, libertarian, and several more.....you cant find a choice among those???? I know it is really because fake tans and comb overs turn you on.

Sounds like you are still high from sniffing your dog's asshole. When you come down tell me how you determined your comments are related to anything I said. Thanks!

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

Like I said come down from your dog's anal fume high first. I said they pick our choices, and they do. I didn't say I wasn't allowed to pick one of them.

Stupid fuck.

you do know republicans choose their nominee....Why the fuck should non republicans do it ?

You still can't grasp the point? LOL.

Oh I grasp it . You are to much of a authoritarian nob polisher to be comfortable with people forming organizations to influence the government that they live in....Freedom sucks for you doesn't it?

 

[thanatos144]

Who said "on par"? Where are those words in my post? Oh, they aren't there? Then I will assume that this is your newfound leftist debate style, which you should be SO proud of having adopted.

Let me repeat myself a little slower, since while adopting leftspeak, you apparently also reduced your IQ by 50 points to match theirs (not to mention took on their sense of shame). They are doing the same thing you are doing, ie. attempting to influence public policy. They are just spending more time, effort, and money than you are, and thus being more effective.

So OBVIOUSLY, LeftWeasel, I said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of you being on any "par" with anyone. I said, "Same goals, different effort, different result".

The "entire election process" is not run through the parties. The party operations are run through the parties. I dunno about where you live - and clearly, YOU don't know about where you live either, if you've drunk so much Trump-Aid that you think elections are run by political parties - but where I live, the elections are run by the Arizona Secretary of State's office and the various county recorders' offices. I suspect wherever you live has similar GOVERNMENT offices that handle GOVERNMENT functions, and I'm sure they could probably run an intervention for you and explain the whole "difference between government and private organizations" thing for you.

"They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing ..."
Those are your words, not mine. I'm not on par with the political parties. They have quite a bit more influence that I do. Insulting people is all you have. Your dismissal of the importance the parties play because they are privately owned is your problem, not mine. I don't need to dismiss anything. Sure, government agencies print up the pamphlets, count the votes, etc. but it all about who the party is backing. The higher up, the more it matters.

Your hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't goose step behind your anti-Trump hysteria is amusing to read. Like it's going to matter!

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

There is very much a comparison, unless you're a leftist who considers money and success to be "eeeevils" for which one needs to be punished. There is no excusing or justifying your position, no matter how hard YOU massage it. You've drunk the Trump populist KoolAid and starting mouthing arguments, positions, and outrages that are decidedly left of where you were a year ago, and put yourself at opposition to people who've always been your allies in the past. Ask yourself: are you bitterly sniping at me today because I'VE suddenly become anything different than I've always been, or suddenly starting saying anything different than I always have? If we're on opposing sides, which one of us moved?

What the fuck are you even rambling on about? I don't need to justify my position, I disagree with you and for whatever reasons you can't stand it.

Unlike yourself I don't see Trump like you do so that makes me a KoolAid drinker. No, that makes you the KoolAid drinker, you're the one spouting cult shit here, not me.

Does the sight of a bad comb over and skin the color of tang get you hard?

 

[Iceweasel]

Sounds like you are still high from sniffing your dog's asshole. When you come down tell me how you determined your comments are related to anything I said. Thanks!

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

Like I said come down from your dog's anal fume high first. I said they pick our choices, and they do. I didn't say I wasn't allowed to pick one of them.

Stupid fuck.

you do know republicans choose their nominee....Why the fuck should non republicans do it ?

You still can't grasp the point? LOL.

Oh I grasp it . You are to much of a authoritarian nob polisher to be comfortable with people forming organizations to influence the government that they live in....Freedom sucks for you doesn't it?

I said the exact opposite. The people should decide, not party heads.

 

[Iceweasel]

Does the site of a bad comb over and skin the color of tang get you hard?

No but it obviously bunches up your skivvies.

 

[thanatos144]

You just said you dont have a choice and I proved you are full of shit .... Now trumper whats the next thing you will whine about like a little bitch?

Like I said come down from your dog's anal fume high first. I said they pick our choices, and they do. I didn't say I wasn't allowed to pick one of them.

Stupid fuck.

you do know republicans choose their nominee....Why the fuck should non republicans do it ?

You still can't grasp the point? LOL.

Oh I grasp it . You are to much of a authoritarian nob polisher to be comfortable with people forming organizations to influence the government that they live in....Freedom sucks for you doesn't it?

I said the exact opposite. The people should decide, not party heads.

People did decide dumb fuck. Republican people.

 

[thanatos144]

Does the site of a bad comb over and skin the color of tang get you hard?

No but it obviously bunches up your skivvies.

It does ... I dont like narcissistic lying fuck nuggets....

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's sheer lunacy that they have voting in primaries to find out what people want? You're bitching and moaning because of the supposed sacredness of "the will of the people" expressed in those non-binding votes, which should immediately be put under the control of the government because they're what people want, and NOW it's "sheer lunacy" that they're about finding out what people want?

The only lunacy about my statement is that I bothered to make it to you as though you had two functioning brain cells in the same area of your skull.

You can throw a hissy fit all you want but the fact is a lot of people are made aware in this election cycle of just how corrupt the delegation process is, left and right. It explains why the right has been saddled with such milktoast candidates as Dole, McCain, Romney. The conservatives can't get enthused and the middle can't be bothered. Yet, the party heads don't care because they benefit just the same.

Big business and government scratching each others' backs is what makes politics go 'round and many are sick of it and want the people to pick their representatives, not party heads. Sorry if it bothers you.

You can throw a hissy fit all YOU want, but the fact is, that's all you're doing is throwing a hissy fit. People are being made aware this election cycle of just how ignorant and lazy they have been, and responding by screaming and stomping your little feet and demanding that someone make the world the way you all thought it was RIGHT NOW will accomplish nothing, nor does it do our nation any good to encourage such behavior. Grow up.

You want to know why people haven't gotten good candidates? Look no farther than the mirror. Would you even recognize a good candidate if you got one? You're enthused about Donald fricking Trump. 'Nuff said.

I haven't thrown a hissy fit and your lies are getting very old. I don't need to lie for my beliefs. YOU do!

Oh? In what way are my beliefs today any different than they were a year ago, when you and I were debating allies? If those positions are "lies", then doesn't that mean that a year ago, when you were agreeing with them, that YOU were a liar? Or does it mean that you're bullshitting to cover up that you've sold out for the glitter and gilt of a celebrity candidate?

You're lying about me, I didn't say you changed your beliefs. So now here's yet another example of you misrepresenting me. I don't need to do that but you choose to in order to hold the beliefs you do. Honestly is that hard for you?

*sigh* Let me speak slower. If we were on the same side a year ago, and now we're not, ONE of us changed. And it wasn't me.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Who said "on par"? Where are those words in my post? Oh, they aren't there? Then I will assume that this is your newfound leftist debate style, which you should be SO proud of having adopted.

Let me repeat myself a little slower, since while adopting leftspeak, you apparently also reduced your IQ by 50 points to match theirs (not to mention took on their sense of shame). They are doing the same thing you are doing, ie. attempting to influence public policy. They are just spending more time, effort, and money than you are, and thus being more effective.

So OBVIOUSLY, LeftWeasel, I said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of you being on any "par" with anyone. I said, "Same goals, different effort, different result".

The "entire election process" is not run through the parties. The party operations are run through the parties. I dunno about where you live - and clearly, YOU don't know about where you live either, if you've drunk so much Trump-Aid that you think elections are run by political parties - but where I live, the elections are run by the Arizona Secretary of State's office and the various county recorders' offices. I suspect wherever you live has similar GOVERNMENT offices that handle GOVERNMENT functions, and I'm sure they could probably run an intervention for you and explain the whole "difference between government and private organizations" thing for you.

"They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing ..."
Those are your words, not mine. I'm not on par with the political parties. They have quite a bit more influence that I do. Insulting people is all you have. Your dismissal of the importance the parties play because they are privately owned is your problem, not mine. I don't need to dismiss anything. Sure, government agencies print up the pamphlets, count the votes, etc. but it all about who the party is backing. The higher up, the more it matters.

Your hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't goose step behind your anti-Trump hysteria is amusing to read. Like it's going to matter!

Like I said, they're trying to influence the government and public policy, just like you are. They're doing it more effectively, and never once did I suggest that you were on any "par" with them in that regard. You're just trying to twist words and deflect, a sure sign that you know you're wrong, and you're too big a poltroon to admit it.

Clearly, insulting people is NOT all I have, since I also have an argument that you have to deliberately misconstrue in order to avoid it.

I am not "dismissing" the importance of the parties. That is ALSO your need to misconstrue my words in order to have the argument you WISH was happening, instead of the one you're too cowardly to face head-on. What I AM dismissing is your claim that there's something sinister, underhanded, Unconstitutional, etc. about it.

There is no comparison no matter how hard you massage it. Political parties not only try to influence elections, they do. They even pick our "choices" for us. I have one vote well after the fact.

I never used the word unconstitutional, quit pulling shit out of your ass and blaming me for mischaracterizing the conversation.

I said it was a crooked system, if you don't agree that's your opinion. I have mine and you don't have the authority to change it.

There is very much a comparison, unless you're a leftist who considers money and success to be "eeeevils" for which one needs to be punished. There is no excusing or justifying your position, no matter how hard YOU massage it. You've drunk the Trump populist KoolAid and starting mouthing arguments, positions, and outrages that are decidedly left of where you were a year ago, and put yourself at opposition to people who've always been your allies in the past. Ask yourself: are you bitterly sniping at me today because I'VE suddenly become anything different than I've always been, or suddenly starting saying anything different than I always have? If we're on opposing sides, which one of us moved?

What the fuck are you even rambling on about? I don't need to justify my position, I disagree with you and for whatever reasons you can't stand it.

Unlike yourself I don't see Trump like you do so that makes me a KoolAid drinker. No, that makes you the KoolAid drinker, you're the one spouting cult shit here, not me.

The reason I "can't stand it" is because I hate seeing someone sell out.

 

[Iceweasel]

You can throw a hissy fit all you want but the fact is a lot of people are made aware in this election cycle of just how corrupt the delegation process is, left and right. It explains why the right has been saddled with such milktoast candidates as Dole, McCain, Romney. The conservatives can't get enthused and the middle can't be bothered. Yet, the party heads don't care because they benefit just the same.

Big business and government scratching each others' backs is what makes politics go 'round and many are sick of it and want the people to pick their representatives, not party heads. Sorry if it bothers you.

You can throw a hissy fit all YOU want, but the fact is, that's all you're doing is throwing a hissy fit. People are being made aware this election cycle of just how ignorant and lazy they have been, and responding by screaming and stomping your little feet and demanding that someone make the world the way you all thought it was RIGHT NOW will accomplish nothing, nor does it do our nation any good to encourage such behavior. Grow up.

You want to know why people haven't gotten good candidates? Look no farther than the mirror. Would you even recognize a good candidate if you got one? You're enthused about Donald fricking Trump. 'Nuff said.

I haven't thrown a hissy fit and your lies are getting very old. I don't need to lie for my beliefs. YOU do!

Oh? In what way are my beliefs today any different than they were a year ago, when you and I were debating allies? If those positions are "lies", then doesn't that mean that a year ago, when you were agreeing with them, that YOU were a liar? Or does it mean that you're bullshitting to cover up that you've sold out for the glitter and gilt of a celebrity candidate?

You're lying about me, I didn't say you changed your beliefs. So now here's yet another example of you misrepresenting me. I don't need to do that but you choose to in order to hold the beliefs you do. Honestly is that hard for you?

*sigh* Let me speak slower. If we were on the same side a year ago, and now we're not, ONE of us changed. And it wasn't me.

I haven't changed ... so......

I have been a businessman for 30 plus years and for many years now I said we need a businessman in the White House. Career politicians think businesses are cash cows they can milk until they are bone dry. Then they move on to the next one.

Government doesn't create wealth, it spends it. Businesses create wealth. They provide the jobs, products, services and tax base that everything get funded from. This government has long had a hostile business atmosphere, UNLESS that business is large enough to fund the politicians in power. Democrat or Republican, makes no difference. The laws favor mega corporations, they do what's best for the bottom line, jobs go overseas while they get tax breaks and favorable market conditions.

It's a sweet deal, a marriage made in heaven, unless you are a mid to small sized company. You can't afford the burdens. You can't afford a legal department. You can't afford a compliance department.

What made America great was small business, entrepreneurship, innovation and a market they could excel in. That has been quietly slipping away and the economy suffers for it. Middle class shrinks and hangs in by their teeth. But the rich grow richer and more powerful.

We are doomed like this and the good ole boys aren't going to fix what isn't broken for them. I don't know if Trump can fix it or not but he seems to be the only one aware of the problem. It's obvious to me Cruz at this point has followed the path of everyone that joined the status quo to secure his delegates in a dishonest system, designed that way for that very reason.

We hear all about Trump's rhetoric but Cruz isn't going anywhere with abolishing the IRS or a flat tax. That's music for his base and it isn't based in reality. Kasich is hanging in eager to please his masters if they crown him instead.

And somehow this makes me a Trumper, Trumperite or some other derogatory term to minimize me as an irrelevant loon. I don't put anybody on a pedestal but I notice that those that dislike him the most are the ones painting with the broad brush, doing the name calling and creating the drama.

 

[hunarcy]

Like I said come down from your dog's anal fume high first. I said they pick our choices, and they do. I didn't say I wasn't allowed to pick one of them.

Stupid fuck.

you do know republicans choose their nominee....Why the fuck should non republicans do it ?

You still can't grasp the point? LOL.

Oh I grasp it . You are to much of a authoritarian nob polisher to be comfortable with people forming organizations to influence the government that they live in....Freedom sucks for you doesn't it?

I said the exact opposite. The people should decide, not party heads.

People did decide dumb fuck. Republican people.

Not so fast. It seemed to me that Trump won the open primaries where Democrats and Independents voted while Cruz won the closed primaries where ONLY Republican people could vote.

 

[thanatos144]

you do know republicans choose their nominee....Why the fuck should non republicans do it ?

You still can't grasp the point? LOL.

Oh I grasp it . You are to much of a authoritarian nob polisher to be comfortable with people forming organizations to influence the government that they live in....Freedom sucks for you doesn't it?

I said the exact opposite. The people should decide, not party heads.

People did decide dumb fuck. Republican people.

Not so fast. It seemed to me that Trump won the open primaries where Democrats and Independents voted while Cruz won the closed primaries where ONLY Republican people could vote.

Your point seeing as it is a republican primary???