Deliberating The 'Right' To Kill

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A Principle of the Traditional American Philosophy

1. The Spiritual is Supreme

". . . all men are created . . . endowed by their Creator . . ." (Declaration of Independence)


The Principle

1. The fundamental principle underlying the traditional American philosophy is that the Spiritual is supreme--that Man is of Divine origin and his spiritual, or religious, nature is of supreme value and importance compared with things material.


Religious Nature

2. This governmental philosophy is, therefore, essentially religious in nature. It is uniquely American; no other people in all history have ever made this principle the basis of their governmental philosophy. The spiritual brotherhood of men under the common fatherhood of God is a concept which is basic to this American philosophy. It expresses the spiritual relationship of God to Man and, in the light thereof, of Man to Man. To forget these truths is a most heinous offense against the spirit of traditional America because the greatest sin is the lost consciousness of sin.

The fundamentally religious basis of this philosophy is the foundation of its moral code, which contemplates The Individual's moral duty as being created by God's Law: the Natural Law. The Individual's duty requires obedience to this Higher Law; while knowledge of this duty comes from conscience, which the religious-minded and morally-aware Individual feels duty-bound to heed. This philosophy asserts that there are moral absolutes: truths, such as those mentioned above, which are binding upon all Individuals at all times under all circumstances. This indicates some of the spiritual and moral values which are inherent in its concept of Individual Liberty-Responsibility.


An Indivisible Whole

3. The American philosophy, based upon this principle, is an indivisible whole and must be accepted or rejected as such. It cannot be treated piece-meal. Its fundamentals and its implicit meanings and obligations must be accepted together with its benefits.


The Individual's Self-respect

4. The concept of Man's spiritual nature, and the resulting concept of the supreme dignity and value of each Individual, provide the fundamental basis for each Individual's self-respect and the consequent mutual respect among Individual's. This self-respect as well as this mutual respect are the outgrowth of, and evidenced by, The Individual's maintenance of his God-given, unalienable rights. They are maintained by requiring that government and other Individuals respect them, as well as by his dedication to his own unceasing growth toward realization of his highest potential-- spiritually, morally, intellectually, in every aspect of life. This is in order that he may merit maximum respect by self and by others.


Some Things Excluded

5. This concept of Man's spiritual nature excludes any idea of intrusion by government into this Man-to-Man spiritual relationship. It excludes the anti-moral precept that the end justifies the means and the related idea that the means can be separated from the end when judging them morally. This concept therefore excludes necessarily any idea of attempting to do good by force--for instance, through coercion of Man by Government, whether or not claimed to be for his own good or for the so-called common good or general welfare.

It excludes disbelief in--even doubt as to the existence of--God as the Creator of Man: and therefore excludes all ideas, theories and schools of thought--however ethical and lofty in intentions--which reject affirmative and positive belief in God as Man's Creator.


The Truly American Concept

6. Only those ideas, programs and practices, regarding things governmental, which are consistent with the concept that "The Spiritual is supreme" can justly be claimed to be truly American traditionally. Anything and everything governmental, which is in conflict with this concept, is non-American--judged by traditional belief.

This applies particularly to that which is agnostic, or atheistic--neutral about, or hostile to, positive and affirmative belief in this concept based upon belief in God as Man's Creator. There is not room for doubt, much less disbelief, in this regard from the standpoint of the traditional American philosophy. Its indivisible nature makes this inescapably true. This pertains, of course, to the realm of ideas and not to any person; it is the conflicting idea which is classified as non-American, according to this philosophy.


America a Haven For All Religions

7. The traditional American philosophy teaches that belief in God is the fundamental link which unites the adherents of all religions in a spiritual brotherhood. This philosophy allows for no differentiation between them in this unifying conviction: ". . . all men are created . . . endowed by their Creator . . ." This philosophy is all inclusive as to believers in God. Although America was originally colonized predominantly by adherents of the Christian religion, and principally by Protestants, the Founding Fathers steadfastly conformed to this all-embracing character of the approach of the American philosophy to religion. This was expressly and affirmatively indicated in the proclamation of 1776 of the fundamental American philosophy, of its basic principles, in the Declaration of Independence. This was further indicated, negatively, in 1787-1788 by the Framers and Ratifiers of the Constitution--as a "blueprint" for the structure of the then proposed Federal government, with strictly limited powers--by not permitting it to possess any power with regard to religion.

This implied prohibition against the Federal government was reinforced by the addition of the First Amendment expressly prohibiting it, through the Congress, from making any law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."--the words "an establishment of religion" being intended to mean, specifically and only, a church or religious organization which is established, supported and preferred by the government, like the Church of England establishments then existing in some of the States.


The Conclusion

8. Belief in Man's Divine origin is the foundation of the fundamental American principle which controls his relationship to government: that Man--The Individual--is of supreme dignity and value because of his spiritual nature.

The American ideal of 1776: the twelve basic American p…

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If only it was still the case.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Abortion was never against the law in the US until 1887..Abortions were allowed up until the quickening, why is this such an issue now?

It never needed to be. It wasn't exactly something to be proud of. If a woman was found out to have had an abortion, her life was destroyed. Completely without judicial action, a woman that killed her child would find herself alone, friendless, rejected even by her family. No man would marry her and if she did find someone, she would be out on the street if he found out.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. As an eternal pessimist, watching this once great nation circling the drain, wrapped in a milieu that lacks responsibility and self-discipline, I watch the impending abortion case with no sense of a favorable outcome.
And by 'favorable,' I mean one in which a Supreme Court, living up to its title, says, simply, "No....you have no such right....none that allows you to simply kill a separate and unique human being."

But.....I would settle for a decision that redounds on the original understanding of both federalism, and of article 1, section 8, of the Constitution, which lists the powers of the central government. You will not find 'abortion' listed.


In short, it should be left up to each 'laboratory of democracy,' each state.


2. LAWCOMMENTARY The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in a major abortion case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, on Wednesday.

A Major Abortion Case Goes Before the Supreme Court. Here’s What You Need to Know.​

3. Life is our most basic human freedom, and it should be protected in public policy. From the moment of conception, every human being has inherent dignity and worth. Our laws should protect innocent human lives, including those not yet born, and society should support women who face challenging or unplanned pregnancies.

4. But Supreme Court decisions like Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992) have prevented the American people, through their elected representatives, from protecting unborn human life prior to viability (the point at which a child can survive outside the womb).

5. Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization presents an opportunity for the Supreme Court to correct a grave constitutional error and overturn Roe v. Wade, returning abortion policy to the states and the American people."

A Major Abortion Case Goes Before the Supreme Court. Here’s What You Need to Know.

Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization will answer the question: Are all pre-viability bans on elective abortion unconstitutional?

www.dailysignal.com

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson.
And based on the above, every conservative is pro-life.



The Democrat view:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. It's not in the Constitution: don't make it up.


"'Mississippi compellingly argues that contrary to the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade, nothing in the Constitution’s text, structure, history, or tradition supports a constitutional right to abortion. As a result, Mississippi has just as much authority to legislate on abortion policy as other subjects, and the prohibition of abortion after 15 weeks ought to stand.

In addition to being unmoored from the Constitution, the viability standard is fundamentally subjective, vague, and unworkable. In 1973, viability was considered to be approximately 28 weeks’ gestation. Today, 24 weeks is widely accepted, and babies are surviving even earlier—some as early as 21 weeks, such as Micah Pickering.

The “viability standard” imposed by the Supreme Court is ultimately an arbitrary line made without scientific analysis or justification and has prevented much state policymaking on abortion to bring the law in line with the science.


Should the Supreme Court change course on Roe v. Wade, abortion policy would return to the states and the American people, through the democratic process, could further address outdated and extreme abortion laws with policies that are not subject to the arbitrary and unworkable viability standard.

Rather, policymakers could craft laws that acknowledge the humanity of children in the womb and reflect public sentiment that supports protecting unborn children before and after viability."

A Major Abortion Case Goes Before the Supreme Court. Here’s What You Need to Know.

Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization will answer the question: Are all pre-viability bans on elective abortion unconstitutional?

www.dailysignal.com

Just imagine......adults would have to make careful considerations about having children.

I'm not sure Democrats can handle that responsibility.

 

[Notaradical60]

Show us the law in the Constitution banning abortion.

Since you cannot have liberty or the pursuit of happiness without first having life the law against abortion is "self evident" wouldn't you say.

 

[beautress]

1. As an eternal pessimist, watching this once great nation circling the drain, wrapped in a milieu that lacks responsibility and self-discipline, I watch the impending abortion case with no sense of a favorable outcome.
And by 'favorable,' I mean one in which a Supreme Court, living up to its title, says, simply, "No....you have no such right....none that allows you to simply kill a separate and unique human being."

But.....I would settle for a decision that redounds on the original understanding of both federalism, and of article 1, section 8, of the Constitution, which lists the powers of the central government. You will not find 'abortion' listed.


In short, it should be left up to each 'laboratory of democracy,' each state.


2. LAWCOMMENTARY The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in a major abortion case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, on Wednesday.

A Major Abortion Case Goes Before the Supreme Court. Here’s What You Need to Know.​

3. Life is our most basic human freedom, and it should be protected in public policy. From the moment of conception, every human being has inherent dignity and worth. Our laws should protect innocent human lives, including those not yet born, and society should support women who face challenging or unplanned pregnancies.

4. But Supreme Court decisions like Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992) have prevented the American people, through their elected representatives, from protecting unborn human life prior to viability (the point at which a child can survive outside the womb).

5. Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization presents an opportunity for the Supreme Court to correct a grave constitutional error and overturn Roe v. Wade, returning abortion policy to the states and the American people."

A Major Abortion Case Goes Before the Supreme Court. Here’s What You Need to Know.

Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization will answer the question: Are all pre-viability bans on elective abortion unconstitutional?

www.dailysignal.com

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson.
And based on the above, every conservative is pro-life.



The Democrat view:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Say, we've had good news in Texas. The city of Lubbock has been released from a Planned Parenthood lawsuit that took umbrage over the city declaring itself a

"SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN​

1. www.newschannel10.com › 2022/01/21 › plannedPlanned Parenthood drops lawsuit over Lubbock abortion ban​

   
   "Jan 21, 2022 · LUBBOCK, Texas (KCBD) - "On Thursday, Planned Parenthood dropped its appeal against the City of Lubbock’s abortion ban. The Sanctuary City for the Unborn Ordinance will now remain in effect ...
   • Author: KCBD Staff"

​

I saw it on my tv server, which is Direct TV, NRB, channel 378. I was so enchanted over the courage the people of Lubbock, Texas, declared themselves by 62% for the SC for the Unborn. So there is a little light that could grow to a national wave which would mean the unborn would no longer have to endure the threat, pain, and fright that causes the unborn to avoid the abortionist's killing equipment. I shed tears of joy, that God would give us the honor of being the state hosting the largest in population City for Sanctuary for the unborn.

 

[beautress]

Abortion was never against the law in the US until 1887..Abortions were allowed up until the quickening, why is this such an issue now?

A million painful-to-the-unborn abortions per annum in the USA got my attention, Mr. Moonglow. They were Americans in the making in a very needful stage of human development. And yes, at the time of conception, the zygote is in its premier stage of human development, which means it's a unique human being with dna unlike any other. And that is very specifically scientific truth.

 

[Moonglow]

A million painful-to-the-unborn abortions per annum in the USA got my attention, Mr. Moonglow. They were Americans in the making in a very needful stage of human development. And yes, at the time of conception, the zygote is in its premier stage of human development, which means it's a unique human being with dna unlike any other. And that is very specifically scientific truth.

Like the human race has ever cared long enough to live in peace.

 

[Ame®icano]

Calm down socialists...

No one is coming for your abortions. We just want common sense abortion control.

Mandatory background checks complete with mental health evaluation.
Must be placed in a National Abortion Registry.
$200 tax stamp and a 1 year waiting period.
Outlaw assault abortions after first trimester and limit the number you can have. No one NEEDS more than one abortion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

 

[shoshi]

In my opinion I think abortion as a form of birth control is wrong. I think it should he legal in cases of rape and incest and medical reasons and so does the majority of people.

 

[shoshi]

However outlawing abortion causes another problem. You have many women dying every year from illegal abortions done by non professionals. But I would outlaw it except in cases like I mentioned in my last post.

 

[PoliticalChic]

However outlawing abortion causes another problem. You have many women dying every year from illegal abortions done by non professionals. But I would outlaw it except in cases like I mentioned in my last post.

No you don't.


Amazing how much of the propaganda you've swallowed.

 

[shoshi]

No you don't.


Amazing how much of the propaganda you've swallowed.

Now you know what i think about it. i wouldn't try to change your opinion. I do not think it should be legal as a form of birth control. I posted the cases where i think it should.

 

[surada]

Abortion was never against the law in the US until 1887..Abortions were allowed up until the quickening, why is this such an issue now?

That's true.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now you know what i think about it. i wouldn't try to change your opinion. I do not think it should be legal as a form of birth control. I posted the cases where i think it should.

You made a claim about deaths that is Leftist propaganda.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's true.

No it isn't.

Very little of what you post is.

Abortion and "the quickening" is a myth created by Ghouls in the late 20th century.

Law in early America was locality based. No doctor would agree to perform an abortion, nor would any church going mid-wife.

You're trying to rewrite history.

Oh and what is the view of Islam in regards to abortion?

 

[Colin norris]

1. As an eternal pessimist,

You mean a godbotherer.

watching this once great nation circling the drain,

I agree. The down hill slide commenced under trump.

wrapped in a milieu that lacks responsibility and self-discipline, I watch the impending abortion case with no sense of a favorable outcome.
And by 'favorable,' I mean one in which a Supreme Court, living up to its title, says, simply, "No....you have no such right....none that allows you to simply kill a separate and unique human being."

You have a right to not inject vacinnes. Why can't a woman have the same right over her body?

But.....I would settle for a decision that redounds on the original understanding of both federalism, and of article 1, section 8, of the Constitution, which lists the powers of the central government. You will not find 'abortion' listed.

I wonder why. That co uild explain why women should have freedoms.

In short, it should be left up to each 'laboratory of democracy,' each state.

So you dont like democracy? South Korea, here I come.

2. LAWCOMMENTARY The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in a major abortion case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, on Wednesday.

A Major Abortion Case Goes Before the Supreme Court. Here’s What You Need to Know.​

3. Life is our most basic human freedom, and it should be protected in public policy. From the moment of conception,

The size of an embryo just fertilized, can be fitted approximately 100 times in the eye of a needle. Yet you call that a human life?
I don't think it is.
Millions upon millions of women fall pregnant and abort foetuses without even knowing it. Why are you persuing them with your rosary beads and smashing down the toilet doors demanding they be recovered and given human status? Pro life??? More like pro birth.

every human being has inherent dignity and worth. Our laws should protect innocent human lives, including those not yet born, and society should support women who face challenging or unplanned pregnancies.

They do. Its called abortion and was a right given to them by the SC.

4. But Supreme Court decisions like Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992) have prevented the American people, through their elected representatives, from protecting unborn human life prior to viability (the point at which a child can survive outside the womb).

Can you name one instant where a child was aborted for no reason past that age and show the proof.

5. Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization presents an opportunity for the Supreme Court to correct a grave constitutional error and overturn Roe v. Wade, returning abortion policy to the states and the American people."

Really? Yes. Let's go back to filthy Religion interfering with people's lives. Let's have the womb police control everything. Cameras up you skirt them tell the priests.
Where's your freedoms in that scenario?

A Major Abortion Case Goes Before the Supreme Court. Here’s What You Need to Know.

Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization will answer the question: Are all pre-viability bans on elective abortion unconstitutional?

www.dailysignal.com

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson.
And based on the above, every conservative is pro-life.

The life reference was made towards the maintenance of life. Abortion on this scale never got a mention or was heard of. Grow up.
Every conservative is not pro life because they have abortions at the same rate as democrats and atheists. You're a liar.

The Democrat view:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

It's right wing scum like you he refers to and he meant those already reached maturity. You're drawing a long bow to include abortion in that statement.

Basically your argument is based on religion as if it has a divine right to control every aspect of human life.
You'd prefer gods wishes, which there is none when it comes to abortion, to be taken from the bible and directly into the womb. Whether women want it or not.
Unwanted children born into poverty then you all castigate the unmarried mother as not worth a spit for being unable to care for a child and having government support to stay alive. How very noble of you.

You gave to ask yourself, what has godbotherers achieved with their moral crusade? How many lives has it saved when the same is happening in underprivileged countries. You don't have their concerns at heart. Then there's bill gates who has saved millions of lives with his vacinnes but is not permitted to gift birth control to women there because of you dirty filthy religion forbids it.
Can't you see the irony of that you hypocrit?
Yet you endlessly come here bleating your God shit with the sanctamoniosness of Pontius Pilate.
You have got a functioning neuron in your head.

 

[protectionist]

Abortion was never against the law in the US until 1887..Abortions were allowed up until the quickening, why is this such an issue now?

Slavery was allowed up until 1866. Women were denied the vote up until 1920.

 

[protectionist]

You mean a godbotherer.

I agree. The down hill slide commenced under trump.

You have a right to not inject vacinnes. Why can't a woman have the same right over her body?

I wonder why. That co uild explain why women should have freedoms.

So you dont like democracy? South Korea, here I come.

The size of an embryo just fertilized, can be fitted approximately 100 times in the eye of a needle. Yet you call that a human life?
I don't think it is.
Millions upon millions of women fall pregnant and abort foetuses without even knowing it. Why are you persuing them with your rosary beads and smashing down the toilet doors demanding they be recovered and given human status? Pro life??? More like pro birth.

They do. Its called abortion and was a right given to them by the SC.

Can you name one instant where a child was aborted for no reason past that age and show the proof.

Really? Yes. Let's go back to filthy Religion interfering with people's lives. Let's have the womb police control everything. Cameras up you skirt them tell the priests.
Where's your freedoms in that scenario?

The life reference was made towards the maintenance of life. Abortion on this scale never got a mention or was heard of. Grow up.
Every conservative is not pro life because they have abortions at the same rate as democrats and atheists. You're a liar.

It's right wing scum like you he refers to and he meant those already reached maturity. You're drawing a long bow to include abortion in that statement.

Basically your argument is based on religion as if it has a divine right to control every aspect of human life.
You'd prefer gods wishes, which there is none when it comes to abortion, to be taken from the bible and directly into the womb. Whether women want it or not.
Unwanted children born into poverty then you all castigate the unmarried mother as not worth a spit for being unable to care for a child and having government support to stay alive. How very noble of you.

You gave to ask yourself, what has godbotherers achieved with their moral crusade? How many lives has it saved when the same is happening in underprivileged countries. You don't have their concerns at heart. Then there's bill gates who has saved millions of lives with his vacinnes but is not permitted to gift birth control to women there because of you dirty filthy religion forbids it.
Can't you see the irony of that you hypocrit?
Yet you endlessly come here bleating your God shit with the sanctamoniosness of Pontius Pilate.
You have got a functioning neuron in your head.

Killer wants us to think his killing is OK.