Democratic cave in wall

[candycorn]

It’s what they passed back in January.

It is essentially the same agreement that the Senate wouldn’t take up because the Blob wouldn’t sign it.

That he may sign it now is a clear cave in. That it “works for you” is a sign you’re caving in too.

After "not one dollar" " ok one dollar " "walls are immoral" " walls don't work" I'll consider 1.375 a huge victory.

He wanted $5.7. He got what, less than 25% of that. If you want to call that a victory…you’re entitled…and kidding yourself.

I’ll tell you what:

Lets say that I offered you $1,375 for your car. You want $5,700. You say no deal.

Then 2 months later, you end up selling your car to me for $1,375. Would you call that a victory? You ended up with what I offered you.

Trump had no bill put on his desk to sign with wall funding.

I didn’t say he did. I did say the House passed it. The senate killed it because the blob didn’t say he would sign it.

Appropriations committee put a billion in but it was removed before the bill ever reached its final form.

Not true. The Senate never considered the House legislation.

So we agree trump never got a bill on his desk with any wall funding until now and in fact dems said no wall funding. "Not one dollar".

The bill the House sent to the Senate would have been passed if the President would have signaled his willingness to sign it. It had essentially the same in the agreement.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So much for "not one dollar". More like 1.375 billion dollars.


"We reached an agreement in principle between us on all the homeland security and the other six bills," said Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard Shelby (R-Ala.), a lead Republican negotiator. “The White House has been consulted all along,” Shelby added, noting that he’s been given “latitude” to negotiate on behalf of the administration.

The tentative deal includes $1.375 billion for physical barriers — a type of fencing that resembles the “steel slats” that Trump has specifically called for, according to a congressional aide briefed on the talks. It includes a total of 55 miles, which is just 9 miles shy of Trump’s last budget request".

That's not caving. Congress MUST approve between 1.3 and 1.4 billion due to the 2006 Border Security Law. And that amount is not just for building a wall. it's for a lot of things. Using those figures, Bush Jr. and Obama built an average of 73 miles of wall each year for 8 years. You can't count the first two (2006 and 2007) as that was funded way above that amount to get it kicked off. Those other two Presidents repaired, put in more security, hired more Border Security, etc. PLUS built that 73 miles of brand new wall at the same time with that amount. For the fiscal years of 2017 and 2018, Trump was also allocated 1.3 billion per year yet he didn't build one single inch of new wall. In fact, he reduced the Texas Border Security Force during those two years. Sounds to me like he doens't need more money. He needs a good audit.

The 1.375 billion is specifically for the wall but thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy of democrats who said walls dont work and were immoral when trump wanted them after they themselves built many miles of walls.

You want it to read that way. It doesn't. That amount is required by the 2006 law and it covers more than the wall. Okay, here goes a test.

I'll say.

Border Security is made of some Physical barriers, Security Fencing, Border Guards, Air Survelance, Electronic Sensors and natural land masses.

What you hear is.

Walls are made of Walls, Walls, Walls, Walls, Walls, Walls and Walls.

I suppose all the other things that are listed in the bill are going to be free. They will just magically happen with no funding. That is where the 1.3 billion comes in. It pays for all of the things I mentioned. You only get part of it for your Wall, Wall, Wall and more Wall. As it stands now, Trump was given 2.6 billion for 2 years for the border security. What came out of was some repair on some security fencing that didn't need repairing, some projects that never got started to replace walls that are falling down, the reduction of Security Guards on the Texas Border (Yah, I know, you read that as Wall). Part of that money was supposed to be spent on new wall construction. Not wall repair or replacement but new wall constructions. It's difficult to see exactly where he actually spent that money. And he made things worse on the Texas border by reducing the number of Texas Border Security Personnel. It appears he decided to "Teach" the Texas Government a lesson because they don't quite agree with him. I will support the increase in spending when and if Trump starts actually fiscally spending the billions he has already received and will received by the 2006 Border Security Law. If he can't, we need to do a world class Audit to find out why.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

After "not one dollar" " ok one dollar " "walls are immoral" " walls don't work" I'll consider 1.375 a huge victory.

He wanted $5.7. He got what, less than 25% of that. If you want to call that a victory…you’re entitled…and kidding yourself.

I’ll tell you what:

Lets say that I offered you $1,375 for your car. You want $5,700. You say no deal.

Then 2 months later, you end up selling your car to me for $1,375. Would you call that a victory? You ended up with what I offered you.

Trump had no bill put on his desk to sign with wall funding.

I didn’t say he did. I did say the House passed it. The senate killed it because the blob didn’t say he would sign it.

Appropriations committee put a billion in but it was removed before the bill ever reached its final form.

Not true. The Senate never considered the House legislation.

So we agree trump never got a bill on his desk with any wall funding until now and in fact dems said no wall funding. "Not one dollar".

The bill the House sent to the Senate would have been passed if the President would have signaled his willingness to sign it. It had essentially the same in the agreement.

Nothing but speculation and theres no reason pelosi would suddenly say not one dollar if she had five minutes earlier said yes to over a billion. Doesnt pass the smell test.

 

[dblack]

It’s what they passed back in January.

It is essentially the same agreement that the Senate wouldn’t take up because the Blob wouldn’t sign it.

That he may sign it now is a clear cave in. That it “works for you” is a sign you’re caving in too.

After "not one dollar" " ok one dollar " "walls are immoral" " walls don't work" I'll consider 1.375 a huge victory.

He wanted $5.7. He got what, less than 25% of that. If you want to call that a victory…you’re entitled…and kidding yourself.

I’ll tell you what:

Lets say that I offered you $1,375 for your car. You want $5,700. You say no deal.

Then 2 months later, you end up selling your car to me for $1,375. Would you call that a victory? You ended up with what I offered you.

Trump had no bill put on his desk to sign with wall funding.

I didn’t say he did. I did say the House passed it. The senate killed it because the blob didn’t say he would sign it.

Appropriations committee put a billion in but it was removed before the bill ever reached its final form.

Not true. The Senate never considered the House legislation.

So we agree trump never got a bill on his desk with any wall funding until now and in fact dems said no wall funding. "Not one dollar".

It's clear that everyone loses with this deal, most especially freedom loving Americans.

 

[candycorn]

He wanted $5.7. He got what, less than 25% of that. If you want to call that a victory…you’re entitled…and kidding yourself.

I’ll tell you what:

Lets say that I offered you $1,375 for your car. You want $5,700. You say no deal.

Then 2 months later, you end up selling your car to me for $1,375. Would you call that a victory? You ended up with what I offered you.

Trump had no bill put on his desk to sign with wall funding.

I didn’t say he did. I did say the House passed it. The senate killed it because the blob didn’t say he would sign it.

Appropriations committee put a billion in but it was removed before the bill ever reached its final form.

Not true. The Senate never considered the House legislation.

So we agree trump never got a bill on his desk with any wall funding until now and in fact dems said no wall funding. "Not one dollar".

The bill the House sent to the Senate would have been passed if the President would have signaled his willingness to sign it. It had essentially the same in the agreement.

Nothing but speculation and theres no reason pelosi would suddenly say not one dollar if she had five minutes earlier said yes to over a billion. Doesnt pass the smell test.

Uh no:

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, said he would not consider any legislation until it’s a bill the president will sign into law. He rejected the idea of a veto override. "Let's not waste the time," he has said.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Trump wanted $5.7B. There was no “cave in” by the Democrats.

Pelosi said not one dollar, non negotiable. Trump made her negotiate. He is the master deal maker and Pelosi lost. Trump poll numbers going up likely spooked her.

On like day one of the new congressional term, the dollar amounts in the deal described (so far) was approved by the House. The GOP is agreeing essentially to the same deal the Democrats already passed and the Senate ignored.

Not one dollar was to be used in building the wall. It was only to be used to fly drones and useless shit like that. That has always been the Democrats Bill.