Democrats continue to wage their war on working

[O.R.I.O.N]

Its not forcing employers to do anything but make sure their pockets get fatter and the poor employees they employ get the shaft...

 

[P@triot]

Anyone sitting in their big comphy chair making $9.4 million a year who would layoff people because he has to pay some $10 an hour is a jerk. Oh wait, they already are. I am sure they appreciate you sticking up for them though. You know, Rottweiler, your world could be a whole lot better if you weren't getting screwed. All you are doing it complaining about people who don't like getting screwed. I am glad you're happy with it. The people who know better want better. You just aren't one of those. You know what a Tory is?

Ohhh! So you're saying the guy who works 16 hours per day and has all of the stress of the entire company on his shoulders should dip into his own salary to make sure the unskilled worker makes $10 an hour. Yeah, that makes perfect sense...

If the "people who know better want better", why don't they go do better for themselves? Why don't they start their own company and then they can "sit in their big comphy chair" and make $9.4 million per year? You know, since it's so easy and all.

By the way, in your infinite liberal wisdom, you fail to realize that this is the same ignorant argument you people have made the last 20 times you raised the minimum wage. You're apparently incapable of realizing the ripple effect raising the minimum wage has on the economy. Since that cost of labor is going up, the cost of the products and services created by that labor will go up to cover the cost of that labor. And guess what? That means those people will be no further ahead than they are now. And we'll be right back here again listening to you people whine about "living wages".

The fact that minimum wage has been raised 20 times in my lifetime is a clear indication of how clueless liberals are. The fact that you think a CEO should dip into his own salary to cover the increase shows how immature you and and unqualified to even be discussing this.

First your assumption that the CEO is the only person in the company working 16 hours a day, or that they even do, is self-serving more than it is accurate. There are plenty of people working third shift in the cooler at Wal-Mart or the fryer at KFC with maybe a break or two for the entire shift who work plenty hard for their pay.

A "shift" = 8 hours genius. And no, I don't think the CEO is the only person working 16 hour days. So are other high paid executives. But the minimum wage worker is not. Furthermore, they do not have the pressure and responsibilities of those executives. The fact that you believe a cashier deserves the same salary as an executive is simply amazing.

You look at the the subject from the point of view of a capitalist.

No, I don't. I look at it as an American who doesn't want to see the U.S. collapse under astoundingly ignorant liberal utopianism. I look at it as a human with common sense who realizes when you mimic Cuba's failed policies you will end up with Cuba's failed economy.

I look at it from the point of view of a humanist.

So much so that you share exactly 0% of your salary, you share your home with exactly 0 homeless people, and you provide 0 good paying jobs to those in need.

You're not a "humanist" until it's someone else's money. Then you suddenly become very generous.

The beauty of America is that you're completely free to address anything that troubles you. Too many homeless people? You are free to shelter them. Nobody will pay you a "living wage"? You are free to start your own business and sell your labor for the price you deem. And yet none of you liberals ever do that. Instead, you demand that other people do what you are not willing to do.

This country was not founded on the principles of capitalism. It was based on the principle of human dignity. It was not because they did not understand the principles of capitalism.

I agree with you 100%. Which is why the founders didn't include anything about healthcare, welfare, or housing. Because it wasn't about greed, money, or material items. It was about human dignity. It was about freedom. Sadly, the ungrateful and greedy left on this country has forgotten that and now they only care about how much government cash gets stuffed into their pockets.

They understood that capitalism in its raw form has a very single-minded goal, maximize profit for the one(s) at the top.

Gasp! Turn a profit? Nooooo.....!

They created a government which would be the dominate force in the country. The force was not capitalism, it was democracy.

Wrong. Completely and totally wrong. Indisputably wrong. You've clearly never studied history. Our founders built a government in which the individual and their rights would be the dominate force in this country. The government (especially at the federal level) would be extremely weak and limited. You should really try reading some history if you're going to pretend to be an authority on it.

Democracy will look out for the welfare of the majority of the people. The realities of capitalism was not lost on the founding father who were wise and well-read. They know capitalist were capable of the most inhumane acts in the name of profit. Democracy has no inherent grievance against capitalism but it does have a low tolerance for crimes against humanity.

Now you're just rambling like a desperate man. What "inhumane acts" can occur considering capitalism is the freedom to decide for yourself what your labor is worth? A minimum wage worker is not forced to work any "inhumane" job. If they work one, it is by their own choice.

Also the minimum wage employee should start a business of their own presumable they would have to pay their employees minimum wage also so they could compete with their previous employers.

Uh....what?

Some employers pay all their employees a living wage but they still have to try and price their product with those who pay minimum wage. Maybe those employers have a smaller salary not only because they pay their employees more but because the competition pays their employees less. Perhaps the employer is not as good of a capitalist, just a better person.

So you're admitting that you're not a very good person? Because I've yet to see you provide even one good paying job.

You seem to favor the capitalist to the humanitarian.

No - I favor the capitalist over the angry, jealous, envious, communist prick like you.

Living in America must really suck for you. If it makes you feel any better the feeling is mutual. We do not force laws upon you because we want to. We force laws upon you because you do not have the common decency not to fuck people every chance you get.

Nope - living in America is great. Having to share it with angry, ignorant Dumbocrats like you is what sucks. Everything you ignorant people advocate for has been done in Cuba - yet none of you ever leave the U.S. to go experience your utopian ideology first hand. Gee... I wonder why that is?

 

[P@triot]

Not exactly. First of all, most of the people on your side could care less if the economy is destroyed or not. They only care about the government gravy train which ensures them that they don't have to work.

I don't care whether the economy is destroyed? I'd rather live off of handouts than earn my way?

First of all, do you know me? I work 40 hours or more every week. I am not on any type of welfare.

Second, fuck you. You're a god damned idiot.

You're lack of reading comprehension is astounding. I've highlighted a key word for you above.

But the fact that you were so quick to jump off of the cliff on this does make me wonder now if you are one that prefers the handouts. Your apparently ultra sensitive about this subject. There must be a reason for that...

Second, God Bless you....

 

[P@triot]

Not exactly. First of all, most of the people on your side could care less if the economy is destroyed or not. They only care about the government gravy train which ensures them that they don't have to work.

I don't care whether the economy is destroyed? I'd rather live off of handouts than earn my way?

First of all, do you know me? I work 40 hours or more every week. I am not on any type of welfare.

Second, fuck you. You're a god damned idiot.

On a side note, may I ask why you support a side which takes 50% - 60% of your labor and gives it to someone else?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you do always work 40 hours per week. And if you do, you have to know how hard that is (whether you're a white collar executive or a blue collar laborer). So you put in all of that time and all of that effort just to support a side which is going to tell you that someone else deserves at least half of the results of all of your time and effort?

That is so bizarre and absurd there is no adjective that quite covers it...

 

[hazlnut]

Sorry folks - but nobody is this stupid. Nobody. Obama has cost the U.S. economy millions of jobs. Any normal person who wanted to create jobs would reverse course.

It's painfully obvious that Obama and the Democrats are implementing the "Cloward-Piven" strategy. They need people dependent on government. It places the population on the government plantation and ensures their power as master.

CBO: Wage hike to cost 500K jobs | TheHill

It's a blog post reporting on the opinion of another blog post. And a bunch of quotes from Tea Bagger Obama Haters in the House.

No facts. No data from a CBO reports. NO ANALYSIS to back up the statement.

A very misleading Blog / Thread title. A lie in other words.

Did you not read it before you posted?


Apparently some are that stupid.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

I know who its from. The REASON its going to happen is the reason I stated. It can be avoided very easily.

Actually, no. The reason that you stated is completely asinine. The simple fact is that there isn’t a bunch of evil CEO’s controlling the demand for goods in order to eliminate workers and gain profits. It is simple economics. Increasing the cost of products by increasing the commodities that create them (in this case labor) lowers demand. That means that fewer burgers need to be created to satisfy that demand.

You do realize that this is not what the left calls voo doo supply side economics. This is the very same demand driven economics that the left keeps talking about. At least they keep talking about it when it supports the central planning that they want to do.

They don't need to raise prices if they would just cut back just a tiny bit of the multi BILLION dollar salaries/riches they sit on and put it towards the workers actually making/selling their crap. 6 of the Walton's are worth 40% of Americans. They can spare quite a bit. Passing it on to the consumer is pure bullshit and its typical riches over people. Typical capitalist republican garbage.

Lol. How dare they go into business in order to profit? Those rich sons of bitches.

They should be using their capital to give people jobs so that they can have an excuse to give away their riches, and they should be building products purely for the joy of building you shit that you wanna buy.

God damn it, why do people with lots of money have to act as selfish as people who don't have lots of money?! It's not fair!

 

[O.R.I.O.N]

Don't want them to give it away...but you have absolutely NO REASON to have BILLIONS and not be able to take a small hit by providing health insurance or a better pay for your employees.

 

[JoeB131]

More like CEO's making millions don't want to fork over a tiny slice of the pie to insure their employees are insured so they blame Obama and the democrats...same old shit different day.

You don't make any sense chief. This isn't from some panel of CEO's. This is from the CBO.

So either you have no clue what the CBO is (likely) or you can't accept facts that conflict with your very distorted socialist ideology (very likely) or both (probably the reality).

Poodle is still blaming short dresses for rape, I see.

 

[J.E.D]

Not exactly. First of all, most of the people on your side could care less if the economy is destroyed or not. They only care about the government gravy train which ensures them that they don't have to work.

I don't care whether the economy is destroyed? I'd rather live off of handouts than earn my way?

First of all, do you know me? I work 40 hours or more every week. I am not on any type of welfare.

Second, fuck you. You're a god damned idiot.

You're lack of reading comprehension is astounding. I've highlighted a key word for you above.

But the fact that you were so quick to jump off of the cliff on this does make me wonder now if you are one that prefers the handouts. Your apparently ultra sensitive about this subject. There must be a reason for that...

Second, God Bless you....

Oh MOST lefties are jobless leeches sucking on the gov't tit. That sounds much more reasonable.

Here's a handout for you - learn the difference between your and you're.

You fucking idiot.

 

[Decus]

I would argue that the astounding numbers we are seeing is more the result of a fiat economy than anything thing else. There seems to be no limit as to the amount of money we can "create". Just look at how easily the Federal Reserve can stimulate the economy and engage in massive buying operations.

To give you a better perspective of this new economic reality, look at China's wealth creation:

“"Most people are aware we've had a credit boom in China but they don't know the scale. At the beginning of all of this in 2008, the Chinese banking sector was roughly $10 trillion in size. Right now it's in the order of $24 to $25 trillion.”

“"That incremental increase of $14 to $15 trillion is the equivalent of the entire size of the US commercial banking sector, which took more than a century to build. So that means China will have replicated the entire US system in the span of half a decade."”

BBC News - Will China shake the world again?

The Chinese were able to create in 5 years what it took the US 100 years to build. We live in a fiat global economy and numbers can be deceiving.
.

 

[J.E.D]

Not exactly. First of all, most of the people on your side could care less if the economy is destroyed or not. They only care about the government gravy train which ensures them that they don't have to work.

I don't care whether the economy is destroyed? I'd rather live off of handouts than earn my way?

First of all, do you know me? I work 40 hours or more every week. I am not on any type of welfare.

Second, fuck you. You're a god damned idiot.

On a side note, may I ask why you support a side which takes 50% - 60% of your labor and gives it to someone else?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you do always work 40 hours per week. And if you do, you have to know how hard that is (whether you're a white collar executive or a blue collar laborer). So you put in all of that time and all of that effort just to support a side which is going to tell you that someone else deserves at least half of the results of all of your time and effort?

That is so bizarre and absurd there is no adjective that quite covers it...

There is no adjective that covers it because you're full of shit.

Nobody takes 50 - 60% of my labor and gives it to someone else. What are you even talking about?

 

[bedowin62]

Americans had it MUCH BETTER WHEN REPUBLICANS RAN THINGS


true story

 

[bedowin62]

I don't care whether the economy is destroyed? I'd rather live off of handouts than earn my way?

First of all, do you know me? I work 40 hours or more every week. I am not on any type of welfare.

Second, fuck you. You're a god damned idiot.

On a side note, may I ask why you support a side which takes 50% - 60% of your labor and gives it to someone else?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you do always work 40 hours per week. And if you do, you have to know how hard that is (whether you're a white collar executive or a blue collar laborer). So you put in all of that time and all of that effort just to support a side which is going to tell you that someone else deserves at least half of the results of all of your time and effort?

That is so bizarre and absurd there is no adjective that quite covers it...

There is no adjective that covers it because you're full of shit.

Nobody takes 50 - 60% of my labor and gives it to someone else. What are you even talking about?

poor angry leftard; it is certainly possible that a combined load of federal, state and otehr taxes take more than 50% of what you earned

why dont you just go hang yourself poor angry left-wing nutjob?

 

[bedowin62]

About a million MORE AMERICANS WERE WORKING; even in Bush's last year; than are working now in obama's 6th year

why are you left-wing nutjobs acting surprised we have record welfare, food stamps and disability?

why are you suprised we have record amounts of what you believe in?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

 

[P@triot]

Sorry folks - but nobody is this stupid. Nobody. Obama has cost the U.S. economy millions of jobs. Any normal person who wanted to create jobs would reverse course.

It's painfully obvious that Obama and the Democrats are implementing the "Cloward-Piven" strategy. They need people dependent on government. It places the population on the government plantation and ensures their power as master.

CBO: Wage hike to cost 500K jobs | TheHill

It's a blog post reporting on the opinion of another blog post. And a bunch of quotes from Tea Bagger Obama Haters in the House.

No facts. No data from a CBO reports. NO ANALYSIS to back up the statement.

A very misleading Blog / Thread title. A lie in other words.

Did you not read it before you posted?


Apparently some are that stupid.

As always, Hazl here didn't read the article. The opening sentence:

President Obama’s proposal to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour would cost 500,000 jobs in 2016, according to a report released Tuesday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

 

[FA_Q2]

I know who its from. The REASON its going to happen is the reason I stated. It can be avoided very easily.

Actually, no. The reason that you stated is completely asinine. The simple fact is that there isn’t a bunch of evil CEO’s controlling the demand for goods in order to eliminate workers and gain profits. It is simple economics. Increasing the cost of products by increasing the commodities that create them (in this case labor) lowers demand. That means that fewer burgers need to be created to satisfy that demand.

You do realize that this is not what the left calls voo doo supply side economics. This is the very same demand driven economics that the left keeps talking about. At least they keep talking about it when it supports the central planning that they want to do.

They don't need to raise prices if they would just cut back just a tiny bit of the multi BILLION dollar salaries/riches they sit on and put it towards the workers actually making/selling their crap. 6 of the Walton's are worth 40% of Americans. They can spare quite a bit. Passing it on to the consumer is pure bullshit and its typical riches over people. Typical capitalist republican garbage.

Multibillion dollar salaries? Care to point out just ONE person that has a multibillion dollar SALARY?

Just one.

Yes they do need to raise prices. The fact that you can’t grasp that raising the cost of production causes the price of the product to raise tells me that you are completely ignorant as to how business actually works.

 

[P@triot]

About a million MORE AMERICANS WERE WORKING; even in Bush's last year; than are working now in obama's 6th year

why are you left-wing nutjobs acting surprised we have record welfare, food stamps and disability?

why are you suprised we have record amounts of what you believe in?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Shhhh! Don't destroy the favorite libtard illusion that Obama has "created jobs"(even though unemployment is higher under Obama than it ever was under Bush).

 

[NYcarbineer]

So the Democrats' grand scheme is to destroy the economy on their watch, which of course they'd be blamed for,

and then, somehow, the ensuing takeover of the government by the Republicans will be of some great benefit to all the Democrats who will then be out of a job?

Genius!!!!!!

Do you have a link that would elaborate on that "destroy the economy" you refer to?

um, I was being sarcastic.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So the Democrats' grand scheme is to destroy the economy on their watch, which of course they'd be blamed for, and then, somehow, the ensuing takeover of the government by the Republicans will be of some great benefit to all the Democrats who will then be out of a job?

Genius!!!!!!

Not exactly. First of all, most of the people on your side could care less if the economy is destroyed or not. They only care about the government gravy train which ensures them that they don't have to work.

As for the rest, well, they are too stupid to realize it's Obama and the Dumbocrats who collapsed the world economy. They buy into the left-wing propaganda that it is "Bush's fault" (even 5 years, $7 trillion, and 48,000 regulations later that were going to "fix" the problem according to Obama).

Your trolling is getting boring.

The single biggest net job loss in any sector since Obama became president has been in GOVERNMENT JOBS,

and that is exactly what conservatives have wanted.

 

[Mr. H.]

Republicans talking about economics. It's as entertaining as them talking about education or science.

Liberals' understanding and support of education and science is checkered at best.

Speak to me of the science of high volume hydraulic fracturing (HVHF).

Come on El Deano - eddicate on science.