Democrats Plan On Nation's School Buses Wasteful!

[watchingfromafar]

how much will it cost to have the technicians and equipment to change them.

It is called robotics, no humans involved
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[MisterBeale]

The truth would suffice, IMO.

The article you provided did not quantify oil reserves or the depletion of fossil fuels. It did turn out to be a long read getting you nowhere.

I prefer real numbers and timelines.
Try this for starters

end of oil - Google Search

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You are not listening.

That is a false paradigm.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

A few weeks ago, President Biden announced his support for a bill that would make all school buses electric in 10 years. This is another disconnect between green extremism and reality. Electric cars function poorly or not at all in cold weather. Electric cars have limited range and can take up to 12 hours to recharge. Plus, 80% of our electricity comes from natural gas, coal, and nuclear power.

Study Shows Electric Cars Become Practically Useless In Cold Weather​

Study Shows Electric Cars Become Practically Useless In Cold Weather

According to recent studies, cold temperatures significantly reduce the performance of electric cars, especially when it comes to battery life. One study by AAA suggested that cold temperatures can reduce the range of the batteries in most electric cars by over 40 percent. It was also noted that...

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A better action would be to convert all school buses to natural gas, which burns much more cleanly than gasoline. However, the green movement has become so extreme that it now opposes natural gas, even though we have greatly reduced our carbon emissions by using more natural gas over the last eight years. Sadly, Biden's energy plan would aim to cut our use of natural gas by around 30% in 10 years. In contrast, Obama's energy plan vastly increased our use of natural gas because it produces far fewer emissions than gasoline or coal.

Just imagine this bus full of people. The whole electric bus is engulfed in flames in seconds. No time to escape. Within 15 seconds, an adjacent electric bus is also an inferno.

 

[watchingfromafar]

You are not listening.
That is a false paradigm.

It was a long article with no facts to support the theme.
Please get to your point and then all here can jump in, creating a great discussion.
The ball is in your court, go for it

I am here

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[watchingfromafar]

Just imagine this bus full of people. The whole electric bus is engulfed in flames in seconds. No time to escape. Within 15 seconds, an adjacent electric bus is also an inferno.

No one was in the bus & I refuse to imagine there were.
People die in car crashes every day.
Still people continue to drive cars
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[2aguy]

A few weeks ago, President Biden announced his support for a bill that would make all school buses electric in 10 years. This is another disconnect between green extremism and reality. Electric cars function poorly or not at all in cold weather. Electric cars have limited range and can take up to 12 hours to recharge. Plus, 80% of our electricity comes from natural gas, coal, and nuclear power.

Study Shows Electric Cars Become Practically Useless In Cold Weather​

Study Shows Electric Cars Become Practically Useless In Cold Weather

According to recent studies, cold temperatures significantly reduce the performance of electric cars, especially when it comes to battery life. One study by AAA suggested that cold temperatures can reduce the range of the batteries in most electric cars by over 40 percent. It was also noted that...

anewspost.com

A better action would be to convert all school buses to natural gas, which burns much more cleanly than gasoline. However, the green movement has become so extreme that it now opposes natural gas, even though we have greatly reduced our carbon emissions by using more natural gas over the last eight years. Sadly, Biden's energy plan would aim to cut our use of natural gas by around 30% in 10 years. In contrast, Obama's energy plan vastly increased our use of natural gas because it produces far fewer emissions than gasoline or coal.

Friend of mine is a school bus driver in Chicago land area.....drives 45 miles on the morning route, 45 to take the kids back...

90 miles a day...

Some electric buses can go 100 miles on a charge.....hmmmm....that isn't on a cold day, of below zero weather....

in a cold state?

New York.....range of electric bus on a charge? 65 miles....

The buses are able to drive 66 miles per charge

Electric School Buses – United States

www.livegreenct.org

 

[2aguy]

The USPS is also going all green

They can't deliver the mail and stay in the black now......

 

[22lcidw]

A better action would be to convert all school buses to natural gas, which burns much more cleanly than gasoline. However, the green movement has become so extreme that it now opposes natural gas, even though we have greatly reduced our carbon emissions by using more natural gas over the last eight years.

You do not get it but do not let this trouble you, few get it.

The world is running out of fossil fuels, including natural gas. Fracking seems to be the last resort scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

You can do a little research on this topic and if you do the results will be the same. China gets it and China is moving on to a greener future. So are our European partners.

It is what it is

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We will tie your family to one of their green manufacturing smokestacks.

 

[2aguy]

Except ... the batteries don't work in the cold. Summer Vacation will have to be moved to the winter.

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Yep...

However, I have proposed a winter break instead of a summer break....

There would be no reason to not switch over, and still have a few weeks of vacation left for summer.

The cost and safety savings alone would make it a smart idea.

 

[2aguy]

Range?

Up to 100 miles per charge....

Up to?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

A better action would be to convert all school buses to natural gas, which burns much more cleanly than gasoline. However, the green movement has become so extreme that it now opposes natural gas, even though we have greatly reduced our carbon emissions by using more natural gas over the last eight years.

You do not get it but do not let this trouble you, few get it.

The world is running out of fossil fuels, including natural gas. Fracking seems to be the last resort scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

You can do a little research on this topic and if you do the results will be the same. China gets it and China is moving on to a greener future. So are our European partners.

It is what it is

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We already went through the ‘running out of fossil fuels’ bullshit under Carter.

 

[2aguy]

Again 300 million electric cars?

Was that a question?
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*sigh*

Our electric grid can not handle a EMP strike much less charge 300 million cars a night

The goal isn't to provide cheap, plentiful energy.

The democrats want to use solar and wind because they do not work that well...they don't want people to have more energy because more, cheap energy means more people, more freedom.

If they reduce energy creation through wind and solar, they limit freedom of movement for the masses...while they will have all the energy they need...

 

[2aguy]

The USPS is also going all green

You do realize there are thousands of old battery run cars in the UK sitting in a field because the replacement batteries cost more than the car. The landfills refuse to take them and they are sitting there leaking acid in the ground. My God, you people are stupid.

Technology has evolved

Physics hasn't, it takes a ton of power to heat with electricity. Heating the interior of a school bus would be the equivalent of heating a couple of homes. They aren't well insulated and the door is opened and closed constantly. Also the constant starting and stopping uses more energy as well. Natural gas or hydrogen fuel cell would be a much better fit over batteries.

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Guess what.....Electric School buses are here
They work, districts are buying them

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No...you have fake stories from very hot states.......try running these buses in actual cold weather and you will have buses that don't run...

 

[2aguy]

Well it not that school bus travel a great distance. Pick up the kids and drop them off.

Maybe in urban hellholes, but rural routes cover quite a distance.

Not just rural routes....my friend drives 90 miles a day in the bus they drive.......

 

[jknowgood]

Well it not that school bus travel a great distance. Pick up the kids and drop them off.

They don't? I'll bet you would like putting the mileage on your cars that a school bus adds every day.

In my school district, the buses make runs sometimes 14 times per day, That's 2 high school runs, 2 elementary runs, 2 middle school runs, and 1 kindergarten run each morning and then again at night. Those that don't, pick up all grades and distribute them to the elementary, middle and high schools that are sometimes 10 miles apart. After school hours, they are used to transport kids for athletics and academic competitions. When exactly are they going to recharge?

They have rapid charging stations.

How to Charge an Electric Car | Electrify America

Learn how to charge your electric car in a few easy steps with Electrify America. Simply choose your power level, plug in your connector & start charging.

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You can also do battery swaps. You have no faith in American ingenuity?

Tell the class how much these spare batteries will cost and how much will it cost to have the technicians and equipment to change them.

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In the UK they have thousands of electric vehicles sitting in a field because it cost more to replace the battery than it worth and the landfills won't take them.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Again 300 million electric cars?

Was that a question?
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*sigh*

Our electric grid can not handle a EMP strike much less charge 300 million cars a night

Prove it

Nothing to prove it's common knowledge

 

[GMCGeneral]

The USPS is also going all green

You do realize there are thousands of old battery run cars in the UK sitting in a field because the replacement batteries cost more than the car. The landfills refuse to take them and they are sitting there leaking acid in the ground. My God, you people are stupid.

Technology has evolved

Physics hasn't, it takes a ton of power to heat with electricity. Heating the interior of a school bus would be the equivalent of heating a couple of homes. They aren't well insulated and the door is opened and closed constantly. Also the constant starting and stopping uses more energy as well. Natural gas or hydrogen fuel cell would be a much better fit over batteries.

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Guess what.....Electric School buses are here
They work, districts are buying them

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Those buses are 6" too wide for narrow city streets.

 

[watchingfromafar]

We already went through the ‘running out of fossil fuels’ bullshit under Carter.

Try this for starters
end of oil - Google Search

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[Wyatt earp]

The USPS is also going all green

You do realize there are thousands of old battery run cars in the UK sitting in a field because the replacement batteries cost more than the car. The landfills refuse to take them and they are sitting there leaking acid in the ground. My God, you people are stupid.

Technology has evolved

Physics hasn't, it takes a ton of power to heat with electricity. Heating the interior of a school bus would be the equivalent of heating a couple of homes. They aren't well insulated and the door is opened and closed constantly. Also the constant starting and stopping uses more energy as well. Natural gas or hydrogen fuel cell would be a much better fit over batteries.

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Guess what.....Electric School buses are here
They work, districts are buying them

View attachment 492721

Those buses are 6" too wide for narrow city streets.

Good point everyone knows liberals in cities take the short bus to skool

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

We already went through the ‘running out of fossil fuels’ bullshit under Carter.

Try this for starters
end of oil - Google Search

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We already went through this bullshit with Carter. Somebody’s book that shows up in a google search actually enhances this reality.
I could do a search on another search engine that will affirm everlasting oil.