mamooth
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Hostage takers?
Turn your TV off, seriously
GOP: "DEFUND/DELAY ACA OR WE WON'T FUND THE GOVERNMENT!!!"
That is hostage taking by any approach at all. All that's missing is a cartoon of an elephant holding a gun to uncle sam's head.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/im...9/11/rel8g.pdf
Question 13
If the federal government shuts down, do you
think that Barack Obama or the Republicans in Congress
would be more responsible for that?
Obama 33%
Republicans 51%
Both 12%
Neither 3%
No opinion 1%
CNN Poll: Who would get blamed for government shutdown? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...who-would-get-blamed-for-government-shutdown/
If the government shuts down, the Republicans in Congress may take more of the blame: 44 percent of Americans say they would blame the Republicans in Congress more if there is a partial shutdown of the federal government on Oct. 1, while fewer - 35 percent - would put more of the blame on Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress. Sixteen percent volunteer that they would blame both sides equally.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/im.../30/rel10a.pdf
15. If the federal government shuts down, do you think that Barack Obama or the Republicans in
Congress would be more responsible for that?
Sept. 27-29 2013
Obama 36%
Republicans in Congress 46%
Both (vol.) 13%
Neither (vol.) 2%
No opinion 2%
They are forcing it in the hopes that the gop gets the blame and they cake walk back into control of the house. Party over country.....
The house is elected to do the peoples bidding. Stop whining about what they are doing. You morons are always going on and on about elections having consequences. Reap them then
Congress put forth a bill that funds all of government except for Obamalamacare.. and the Senate won't approve.. this is on the Senate
I don't usually take sides, but this clearly falls at the feet of the Republicans.
They're conflating a Legislative goal with the funding of ALREADY passed legislation, and appropriations.
I don't understand how the bill to fund the already legally passed bills is the appropriate hostage for promoting your agenda I mean - it's a really ugly tactic.
It's a weasel move to not fund a bill you already allowed to pass, and in fact doing so by taking the entire Federal Government hostage as opposed to, you know, defunding it on its own merits if they can gather the appropriate Votes and support.
The Democrats are being obtuse for not negotiating an already passed Law? I really don't think so. I think they're standing up to obstruction, and rightly so. And I'd also blame them, if and when they do this same thing while in a minority situation.
What's funny is hearing Obama whine to reporters about a budget not being passed by the gop when neither he nor the senate have passed a fucking budget since taking office.
Such disingenuous bullshit and the media and public eat it up like pigs at the trough
It's a weasel move to not fund a bill you already allowed to pass, and in fact doing so by taking the entire Federal Government hostage as opposed to, you know, defunding it on its own merits if they can gather the appropriate Votes and support.
The Democrats are being obtuse for not negotiating an already passed Law? I really don't think so. I think they're standing up to obstruction, and rightly so. And I'd also blame them, if and when they do this same thing while in a minority situation.
Would you not also say that the way this law was passed to begin with was "weasely"?
Tit for tat
It's a weasel move to not fund a bill you already allowed to pass, and in fact doing so by taking the entire Federal Government hostage as opposed to, you know, defunding it on its own merits if they can gather the appropriate Votes and support.
The Democrats are being obtuse for not negotiating an already passed Law? I really don't think so. I think they're standing up to obstruction, and rightly so. And I'd also blame them, if and when they do this same thing while in a minority situation.
It's a weasel move to not fund a bill you already allowed to pass, and in fact doing so by taking the entire Federal Government hostage as opposed to, you know, defunding it on its own merits if they can gather the appropriate Votes and support.
The Democrats are being obtuse for not negotiating an already passed Law? I really don't think so. I think they're standing up to obstruction, and rightly so. And I'd also blame them, if and when they do this same thing while in a minority situation.
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising Americas debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government cant pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Governments reckless fiscal policies. Increasing Americas debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
Senator Barack Obama, March 20, 2006
What they are standing up to is that they will not compromise at all on funding Liz Fowler's healthcare "program" known as Obama Tax. The only "negotiations they are willing to work through are deomcrat support base negotiations for exemption from Obama Tax.
It's a weasel move to not fund a bill you already allowed to pass, and in fact doing so by taking the entire Federal Government hostage as opposed to, you know, defunding it on its own merits if they can gather the appropriate Votes and support.
The Democrats are being obtuse for not negotiating an already passed Law? I really don't think so. I think they're standing up to obstruction, and rightly so. And I'd also blame them, if and when they do this same thing while in a minority situation.
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising Americas debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government cant pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Governments reckless fiscal policies. Increasing Americas debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
Senator Barack Obama, March 20, 2006
What they are standing up to is that they will not compromise at all on funding Liz Fowler's healthcare "program" known as Obama Tax. The only "negotiations they are willing to work through are deomcrat support base negotiations for exemption from Obama Tax.
You're being dishonest by saying:
Republicans wont agree to anything that FUNDS Obamacare.
But are supposedly open to negotiating?
It's the SAME EXACT THING as the Democrats won't negotiate on NOT FUNDING IT.
But you take one side over the other and buy the canard that one side is "not negotiating."
Tell me which part of "we will not fund Obamacare no matter what" is an open negotiation?
And yes, Obama is a hypocrite. Congratulations. Go tell all of his gleeful supporters.
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising Americas debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government cant pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Governments reckless fiscal policies. Increasing Americas debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
Senator Barack Obama, March 20, 2006
What they are standing up to is that they will not compromise at all on funding Liz Fowler's healthcare "program" known as Obama Tax. The only "negotiations they are willing to work through are deomcrat support base negotiations for exemption from Obama Tax.
You're being dishonest by saying:
Republicans wont agree to anything that FUNDS Obamacare.
But are supposedly open to negotiating?
It's the SAME EXACT THING as the Democrats won't negotiate on NOT FUNDING IT.
But you take one side over the other and buy the canard that one side is "not negotiating."
Tell me which part of "we will not fund Obamacare no matter what" is an open negotiation?
And yes, Obama is a hypocrite. Congratulations. Go tell all of his gleeful supporters.
So what you're saying, is both sides are to "blame" for the failure to pass a debt ceiling increase? Alright. I'm glad you're one of the sane ones.
You're being dishonest by saying:
Republicans wont agree to anything that FUNDS Obamacare.
But are supposedly open to negotiating?
It's the SAME EXACT THING as the Democrats won't negotiate on NOT FUNDING IT.
But you take one side over the other and buy the canard that one side is "not negotiating."
Tell me which part of "we will not fund Obamacare no matter what" is an open negotiation?
And yes, Obama is a hypocrite. Congratulations. Go tell all of his gleeful supporters.
So what you're saying, is both sides are to "blame" for the failure to pass a debt ceiling increase? Alright. I'm glad you're one of the sane ones.
No, I'm saying that I don't think that the passing of the debt ceiling or the funding of the Government is the correct time to debate already passed legislation, and doing so is - as you say - a "weasel" move, in my opinion.
I also wouldn't like it if the shoes were reversed.