DHS invades small town, violating 3rd Amendment. ACLU takes notice...!

[The2ndAmendment]

Feds are testing the limits of the Third Amendment without violating it in the most literal sense (they are using paramilitary domestic police forces instead of standing armies ... aka Soldiers... to commandeer local property).

Third Amendment:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

https://www.aclu.org/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-policing
» Militarized Homeland Security Invasion of Town Was Over Downloading of Indecent Images Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

The school superintendent was given no notice of the feds’ decision to use school land and local residents told news channel KTVI that the sudden sight of armored SWAT vehicles made them nervous.

With authorities initially refusing to explain the reason behind the show of force, it later emerged that a raid had been carried out on a house three miles away in order to apprehend Robert E. Godsey, who is being charged with, “receipt, possession and distribution of visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct.”

While nobody is defending Godsey – an obviously sick individual who should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law – questions will undoubtedly swirl as to why the federal government spent so many resources on assembling a small army in order to apprehend one individual who didn’t have a history of violence.

Was one armed SWAT team not enough to bust Godsey? Amidst a national debate over the DHS’ bloated budget, why were two helicopters, including a Black Hawk, two armored vehicles, a DHS unified command post truck and Border Patrol agents required to conduct an operation to catch one bad guy?

When asked about why such a massive display of force was necessary, Jim Porter, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Illinois, offered a glib justification, stating, “It’s better to be over-prepared.”

That response will do little to dampen concerns that the huge show of force was another indication of how the federal government is militarizing its law enforcement response in order to acclimate Americans to viewing martial law-style tactics as part of the new normal.

A recent ACLU investigation into the issue of increasingly militarized domestic law enforcement operations decried the fact that American neighborhoods are turning into warzones as SWAT tactics become more brutal, causing an increase in deaths, injuries and property damage.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

It should be noted that all clear violations of the Third Amendment, in all of American history, have been committed under OBAMA! Never in our history, before Obama, has the Third Amendment been overtly violated.

The Occupation of Boston (for the two terrorist kids --- that were found by a private citizen anyway).
The arrest of Adam Kokesh.
The arrest of the DC dude with an empty shotgun shell.
This case.
The case where the feds forced someone to surrender their home so that the police could spy on the neighbor.


Violating the Third Amendment is the Canary in the Coal Mine. Martial Law is on its way.

 

[tinydancer]

Thanks for the head's up.

 

[Siete]

Feds are testing the limits of the Third Amendment without violating it in the most literal sense (they are using paramilitary domestic police forces instead of standing armies ... aka Soldiers... to commandeer local property).

Third Amendment:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

https://www.aclu.org/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-policing
» Militarized Homeland Security Invasion of Town Was Over Downloading of Indecent Images Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

The school superintendent was given no notice of the feds’ decision to use school land and local residents told news channel KTVI that the sudden sight of armored SWAT vehicles made them nervous.

With authorities initially refusing to explain the reason behind the show of force, it later emerged that a raid had been carried out on a house three miles away in order to apprehend Robert E. Godsey, who is being charged with, “receipt, possession and distribution of visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct.”

While nobody is defending Godsey – an obviously sick individual who should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law – questions will undoubtedly swirl as to why the federal government spent so many resources on assembling a small army in order to apprehend one individual who didn’t have a history of violence.

Was one armed SWAT team not enough to bust Godsey? Amidst a national debate over the DHS’ bloated budget, why were two helicopters, including a Black Hawk, two armored vehicles, a DHS unified command post truck and Border Patrol agents required to conduct an operation to catch one bad guy?

When asked about why such a massive display of force was necessary, Jim Porter, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Illinois, offered a glib justification, stating, “It’s better to be over-prepared.”

That response will do little to dampen concerns that the huge show of force was another indication of how the federal government is militarizing its law enforcement response in order to acclimate Americans to viewing martial law-style tactics as part of the new normal.

A recent ACLU investigation into the issue of increasingly militarized domestic law enforcement operations decried the fact that American neighborhoods are turning into warzones as SWAT tactics become more brutal, causing an increase in deaths, injuries and property damage.

the thread title says the 3rd is being violated .. your story says the 3rd isn't being violated... which is it ?

 

[SmedlyButler]

Feds are testing the limits of the Third Amendment without violating it in the most literal sense (they are using paramilitary domestic police forces instead of standing armies ... aka Soldiers... to commandeer local property).

Third Amendment:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Doesn't even come close to being applicable. The amount of force gathered does seem excessive and wasteful of resources. Perhaps a training opportunity? In any case the explaination given doesn't come close to being adequate. "Better to be over-prepared"? Perhaps, but this seems to be a few magnitudes beyond "reason", even if the guy was a dirtbag, which it seems he was...

U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Illinois spokesperson Jim Porter declined to elaborate on the unusual size of the raid, but noted only that law enforcement wants to be prepared for what might "reasonably" happen. Porter added that it's better to be over-prepared.

According to Special Agent John Taylor with the Department of Homeland Security and Investigations in St. Louis, authorities seized a Samsung notebook computer, a Maxtor One Touch external hard drive and a Western Digital external hard drive from Godsey's bedroom. Godsey, who was at home during the time of the raid, was taken into custody.

The 34-year-old admitted that the collected items belonged to him and that he has accumulated child pornography since the age of 17. He also admitted to trading it with other people via the internet.

Around 600 video and 1,000 images of minors engaged in sexually explicit content were found on the notebook computer. In some cases, the minors documented were under the age of 12.

Maybe they had bad intel that the guy was armed and dangerous, whatever, the public has the right to know the whole story.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Feds are testing the limits of the Third Amendment without violating it in the most literal sense (they are using paramilitary domestic police forces instead of standing armies ... aka Soldiers... to commandeer local property).

Third Amendment:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

https://www.aclu.org/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-policing
» Militarized Homeland Security Invasion of Town Was Over Downloading of Indecent Images Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

The school superintendent was given no notice of the feds’ decision to use school land and local residents told news channel KTVI that the sudden sight of armored SWAT vehicles made them nervous.

With authorities initially refusing to explain the reason behind the show of force, it later emerged that a raid had been carried out on a house three miles away in order to apprehend Robert E. Godsey, who is being charged with, “receipt, possession and distribution of visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct.”

While nobody is defending Godsey – an obviously sick individual who should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law – questions will undoubtedly swirl as to why the federal government spent so many resources on assembling a small army in order to apprehend one individual who didn’t have a history of violence.

Was one armed SWAT team not enough to bust Godsey? Amidst a national debate over the DHS’ bloated budget, why were two helicopters, including a Black Hawk, two armored vehicles, a DHS unified command post truck and Border Patrol agents required to conduct an operation to catch one bad guy?

When asked about why such a massive display of force was necessary, Jim Porter, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Illinois, offered a glib justification, stating, “It’s better to be over-prepared.”

That response will do little to dampen concerns that the huge show of force was another indication of how the federal government is militarizing its law enforcement response in order to acclimate Americans to viewing martial law-style tactics as part of the new normal.

A recent ACLU investigation into the issue of increasingly militarized domestic law enforcement operations decried the fact that American neighborhoods are turning into warzones as SWAT tactics become more brutal, causing an increase in deaths, injuries and property damage.

the thread title says the 3rd is being violated .. your story says the 3rd isn't being violated... which is it ?

I read both links, neither one mentions the 3rd Amendment, are you seeing things again?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I read both links, neither one mentions the 3rd Amendment

Since 99% of the people in the US don't even know what the Third Amendment is, don't expect to see it advertised in any article.

If I don't copy and paste it, just about every viewer of this thread would have to google it.

However, if you don't think that this doesn't' run afoul of the Third Amendment, you're gravely mistaken.

Am I not allowed to post my opinions on USMB concerning the 3rd Amendment?

 

[Mr. H.]

The U.S. perimeter is being prodded, poked, and tested.

Not from without, but from within... since 2008.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

the thread title says the 3rd is being violated .. your story says the 3rd isn't being violated... which is it ?

The author of the article doesn't have to claim the 3rd is being violated. Most likely the author of the article doesn't even know what the 3rd Amendment is, since most people, even politically educated ones, have no idea what the 3rd Amendment even is.

Suppose someone made a thread titled:
"$2,500,000 bail for a misdemeanor; 8th Amendment Violated; ACLU opinion"

Yet, although all of the articles explained how unjust the bail was, none of them ever mentioned the Eighth Amendment...does that mean the 8th Amendment was not violated???

The Common Law and Historical Precedent that led to the 3rd Amendment are clearly in favor of the opinion that recent actions (including this one) by the federal government have run afoul of the spirit of the 3rd Amendment, even if they haven't violated it to the letter of the Constitution.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I read both links, neither one mentions the 3rd Amendment

Since 99% of the people in the US don't even know what the Third Amendment is, don't expect to see it advertised in any article.

If I don't copy and paste it, just about every viewer of this thread would have to google it.

However, if you don't think that this doesn't' run afoul of the Third Amendment, you're gravely mistaken.

Am I not allowed to post my opinions on USMB concerning the 3rd Amendment?

Just pointing out that Siete is lying about what the article says, no need to get defensive.

 

[Siete]

Feds are testing the limits of the Third Amendment without violating it in the most literal sense (they are using paramilitary domestic police forces instead of standing armies ... aka Soldiers... to commandeer local property).

Third Amendment:
https://www.aclu.org/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-policing
» Militarized Homeland Security Invasion of Town Was Over Downloading of Indecent Images Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

the thread title says the 3rd is being violated .. your story says the 3rd isn't being violated... which is it ?

I read both links, neither one mentions the 3rd Amendment, are you seeing things again?

read the thread title Mr Factchecker .. duuuuurrrrrr

 

[Politico]

Someone want to clarify what actually happened before I waste time clicking the link?

 

[Grandma]

Siete is right. The thread title claims that the 3rd Amendment was violated.

 

[zeke]

I read both links, neither one mentions the 3rd Amendment

Since 99% of the people in the US don't even know what the Third Amendment is, don't expect to see it advertised in any article.

If I don't copy and paste it, just about every viewer of this thread would have to google it.

However, if you don't think that this doesn't' run afoul of the Third Amendment, you're gravely mistaken.

Am I not allowed to post my opinions on USMB concerning the 3rd Amendment?

Don't start crying OK? It's just your opinion. And all of us here know what that's worth.

 

[rightwinger]

How is a publicly held school a "house"?

 

[zeke]

How is a publicly held school a "house"?

Wellllllll.......if you would just think like a second amendment......you would know this.
Those big meanie swat team members HAD to drive by some houses. And one of them WANTED to stay in one of those houses. Thought it was a beautiful home.

And that person VIOLATED, I MEAN VIOLATED the Third Amendment.

 

[rightwinger]

The SWAT team assembled on publicly held property. It was an emergency and well within the realm of their authority

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Siete is right. The thread title claims that the 3rd Amendment was violated.

Because it is.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The SWAT team assembled on publicly held property.

[MENTION=20321]rightwinger[/MENTION]
Publicly held by the locals, not the federal government.

The Post Office would have been more appropriate, since it is federally owned.

You have just endorsed the federal Government seizing publicly owned buildings by locals. If there's a housing complex/project run and owned by a local government, can the feds quarter their troops in that project?

 

[koshergrl]

Desensitizing people to martial law.