Did Millennials Not Learn About Socialism?

[Iceweasel]

Just think: Even as recently as the last Presidential election a serious Presidential candidate wouldn't dare refer to him/herself as a "socialist" and now we have one who is a major contender (though still not likely to succeed) for a major party nomination.

Of course, who would think a guy talking about his schlong during a primary debate would be a contender for his party's nomination, too?

I'm worried about my bank account and our future and you're worried about Donald's schlong. Different priorities.

 

[EriktheRed]

Our founding fathers actually have the first opportunity of any newly-founded governing body to consider Socialism as the general ideas were already being talked about across the pond. But these people, as you recall, were radicals of their time... they didn't want anything like Socialism, it was moving in the opposite direction and away from what they wanted to do here. They didn't want large centralized Federal power lording over the people. They wanted a society that ensured personal liberty above all else and enabled individuals the freedom to pursue their ambitions and desires through free enterprise, free market economy. They WANTED people to aspire to be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and buy expensive homes. They WANTED businesses to thrive and prosper. And guess what? It worked out brilliantly... we became the undisputed World Leaders... in pretty much everything.

Did they even have a conception of this thing called "socialism" back then?

 

[forkup]

... have a political system wich is incredbly complex with different communties languages and cultures. We dont have 2 parties we have about 11 split over 3 languages and regions. One thing they all agree on is that some basic rights should be available to all ppl in my country. That's how we are socialist everybody in my country starts with a fighting chance, nothing more, nothing less.

I didn't realize it was so diverse there. US news only covers Europe if something big explodes. But how is that socialism? We have rights here too, outlined in our Constitution. We do not, however, have a right to health care, or food, sex, housing, etc. for that matter. The majority here do not like the health care law or our rights are being overridden, which is why you still see so much discussion on it.

It's socialism because we as a group support ppl who for some reason or other can't support themselfs ,plus like i said in my post the state has the obligation to give a much broader set of basic rights then is done in the US. I can only say that the word socialism in the US has been systematicly been taking out of context, so it as become synonimus with communism

 

[Wilbur Right]

Sorry, you have to give me some leeway. I'm and a bad typist trying to convey complex thaughts over multiple treads in a language that's not my own.I was just saying that I have seen both systems up close and personal so

That's what I thought. But American wife's can be expensive.

You're doing fine. I was just messing with you.

Some on here are not going to like that you live in a high tax/high benefit society.......And like it.

That is anathema around here

 

[EriktheRed]

Just think: Even as recently as the last Presidential election a serious Presidential candidate wouldn't dare refer to him/herself as a "socialist" and now we have one who is a major contender (though still not likely to succeed) for a major party nomination.

Of course, who would think a guy talking about his schlong during a primary debate would be a contender for his party's nomination, too?

I'm worried about my bank account and our future and you're worried about Donald's schlong. Different priorities.

"Worried"? I'm more a mixture of amused and saddened that that's how low one side of the aisle has sunk at this point.

As far as being worried about the other things you mentioned, those of us on the left are too, but you just go right on being your usual wingnut self and act like only the way you view it matters.

In the meantime our future generations are gonna look more favorably on the idea of an economy where we share more and that's not a bad thing.

 

[Wilbur Right]

He's what we commonly refer to as an asshole. Feel free to ignore him, he will just continue.

Oh icy. Ima hurt you think like that.

But really, I treat some intelligent people with courtesy and respect.

Which of course leaves poor you out. Intelligence is not something you are known for.

 

[forkup]

Sorry, you have to give me some leeway. I'm and a bad typist trying to convey complex thaughts over multiple treads in a language that's not my own.I was just saying that I have seen both systems up close and personal so

That's what I thought. But American wife's can be expensive.

You're doing fine. I was just messing with you.

Some on here are not going to like that you live in a high tax/high benefit society.......And like it.

That is anathema around here

LOL believe me I know what the cost of an American wife is. Nah I actually do like Americans or I wouldn't be on this forum and as you might guess since I'm on this forum I like arguing, its actually kind of sad how i see every election cycle the US becoming more and more Polarised.

 

[EriktheRed]

Sorry, you have to give me some leeway. I'm and a bad typist trying to convey complex thaughts over multiple treads in a language that's not my own.I was just saying that I have seen both systems up close and personal so

That's what I thought. But American wife's can be expensive.

You're doing fine. I was just messing with you.

Some on here are not going to like that you live in a high tax/high benefit society.......And like it.

That is anathema around here

LOL believe me I know what the cost of an American wife is. Nah I actually do like Americans or I wouldn't be on this forum and as you might guess since I'm on this forum I like arguing, its actually kind of sad how i see every election cycle the US becoming more and more Polarised.

Where ya from?

 

[forkup]

Sorry, you have to give me some leeway. I'm and a bad typist trying to convey complex thaughts over multiple treads in a language that's not my own.I was just saying that I have seen both systems up close and personal so

That's what I thought. But American wife's can be expensive.

You're doing fine. I was just messing with you.

Some on here are not going to like that you live in a high tax/high benefit society.......And like it.

That is anathema around here

LOL believe me I know what the cost of an American wife is. Nah I actually do like Americans or I wouldn't be on this forum and as you might guess since I'm on this forum I like arguing, its actually kind of sad how i see every election cycle the US becoming more and more Polarised.

Where ya from?

Belgium

 

[Wilbur Right]

Nah I actually do like Americans

Probably more than I do. The problems relating to the degradation of our education system has manifested itself on this message board.

In other words, you will read some of the most stupid shit you have ever read if you hang out here very long.

 

[Weatherman2020]

A recent Pugh Research survey showed that 47% of Millennials had positive views on Socialism. It made me wonder, when did we stop teaching World History and specifically, about the horrors of Socialism in school? Must have been since I graduated in the late 70s, because when I went to school, we devoted a great deal of time in studying and being tested rigorously on Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others. The People's Revolution... The Bolsheviks... The Killing Fields... Any of that ringing any bells to Millennials? As it stands, the Death Toll for Socialism worldwide stands at around 150 million, conservatively speaking. And that's for deaths that we know about... there are probably that many more that we will never know about. It is a dangerous and devastating political ideology that you need to be aware of and pay attention to what happens, how it works, what the inhuman and horrific results have been.

Oh, I know... YOU favor a different KIND of Socialism! It's not your Grandaddy's Socialism! But guess what? It's ALWAYS a different kind! Every incarnation of Socialism comes repackaged in a "new and improved" version that will certainly work THIS time! Mao recreated Stalinist Socialism, Pol Pot recreated Maoism. There is always a "better" version of Socialism... that's because there has to be... it keeps failing.

You see, the thing is... I don't really think Millennials have thought this through. The things that you hold near and dear... the grande mocha frappuccino at Starbucks... the latest version of the iPhone or music device... all those things go bye-bye in a Socialist system, you don't have time for that anyway, you have to remain productive. Things like going to the movies or concerts... that becomes a once a year kinda thing, maybe... if you work really hard and save for it. In fact, the coming and going pretty much has to stop altogether because you can't afford it anymore.

Art, music, movies... all things creative that you have known and loved... all goes away because there is no room for creativity and thinking anymore, you must remain committed to becoming a more productive worker. You don't believe me? Well, in Russia, if you look at the art and buildings from their Imperial era, (pre-socialist)... they were colorful and very artistically creative... look at art and buildings following the revolution which brought Socialism and it turns to brown dull colors, uninspired architecture. Creativity is killed for the Greater Good, you see? You'll have the same modest little shoe box home like everyone else and you can't really "own" property anymore... you can't afford to buy it. However, it will always seem as though the Socialist ruling class is able to afford these things, but they are making all this wonderful Socialist Utopia possible, so it's to be expected, right?

The really bad thing is whenever you discover this Socialism isn't really all that it's cracked up to be.... think of Windows Vista... The thing is, you can't revert to previous version... there is nothing there anymore. You have to destroy the free market capitalist system in order to actually implement this wonderful new version of socialism... so there's that. You're just stuck with it until enough people are willing to shed blood and start a revolution. That probably isn't going to be the Millennial generation but I assume at least a few of you will have children and presumably they'll produce grandchildren. At some point, that will be the only way to get back to what we once had... a vibrant free market, free enterprise, capitalist system.

A system, incidentally, which has proven successful everywhere it has been tried. It has produced more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever devised by man. We've been around 247 years, give or take... China has us beat by a few thousand years. We're relative babies in terms of nations.... yet we're the #1 World Superpower. That is the result of our system which is precious and unique... and most importantly, IS NOT SOCIALISM!

Okay, to the Granola Liberals.... You know how you've been instructed to argue that if you carry a Social Security card you're literally a "card-carrying socialist!"? You're being intentionally misled... and again, I have to wonder when we stopped teaching American History.... Constitutionally-enumerated powers of Congress? Promote the General Welfare? Any of that ringing any bells, Millennials? These things like Social Security and Roads/Bridges, etc... they all fall under Constitutionally-enumerated powers of the government that are built into our NON-Socialist system. They are NOT Socialism. There might be some similarities as they are often done as a "collective" and it seems this lines up with Socialism but it's not Socialism at all. There are a set of things you can find in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution which grant government the powers to handle certain aspects of government on behalf of everyone. It's not because government can do it more efficiently or even "better" in all cases, but the framers realized there were certain things the free market capitalist system couldn't do effectively because the incentives were all wrong. A free market capitalist military? What, we're gonna hire mercenaries? So there are these certain set of things the framers realized the government needed the power to handle and those are the Enumerated Powers. It's NOT Socialism.

Our founding fathers actually have the first opportunity of any newly-founded governing body to consider Socialism as the general ideas were already being talked about across the pond. But these people, as you recall, were radicals of their time... they didn't want anything like Socialism, it was moving in the opposite direction and away from what they wanted to do here. They didn't want large centralized Federal power lording over the people. They wanted a society that ensured personal liberty above all else and enabled individuals the freedom to pursue their ambitions and desires through free enterprise, free market economy. They WANTED people to aspire to be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and buy expensive homes. They WANTED businesses to thrive and prosper. And guess what? It worked out brilliantly... we became the undisputed World Leaders... in pretty much everything.

As we've watched in horror as one incarnation of Socialism after another has failed in shocking fashion. Genocide. War. Starvation. Complete collapse of civilization and death. As the policies fail the ruling class attempts to hold on to their power and that's when things really start becoming very ugly. Corruption is widespread and rampant, totalitarian tyranny is inevitable. It's all documented in the history books that we're apparently not using anymore in schools.

And hey, maybe it's not all the Millennial's fault... maybe it's the parents as well... The other day, a friend of mine who has a son that is a Millennial, was reviewing his options for after high school... His parent was steering him toward going to technical school instead of pursuing an academic degree. Buckle down, learn a good trade and be a good little Socialist worker. Don't dream big... don't worry your little head about being wealthy or successful... we know you're not that smart... besides, you're wanting to do that "music career" thing and live in a tiny house, right?

94% of university professors are on the left.
Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Boss]

There are over a dozen socialist philosophies and they differ from each other in radical ways. You are not educated about the various types of philosophies and you are too lazy to learn them or that much learning is simply beyond your ability.

Again, ask yourself why there needs to be over a dozen variations of something that works wonderfully? If Socialism was all it's cracked up to be, it would have one basic version that was always the "go-to" version and it would always work brilliantly... like constitutional republics with free markets and free enterprise.

I am VERY educated on Socialism in all it's forms. They are all FAILURES. They do not work in a large diverse multi-ethnic society such as ours. Outside of a few examples of small isolated Scandinavian countries where the people are not plagued by illegal immigration, don't have mobile populations, aren't upwardly mobile in economic status, live in tight-knit communities where the climate keeps them indoors 10 months out of the year... you can't find an example where Socialism works. The larger the population the more corruption at the top and ultimately, the more people who end up needing to be executed for the ruling authority to remain in power.

It has been the cycle of Socialism for 150 years... a new version is theorized and then put into practice... it fails... people die... then a newer version is rolled out... same thing happens again. Read History... it's all documented.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Again, ask yourself why there needs to be over a dozen variations of something that works wonderfully? I

LMAO. Why are there so many versions of Christianity?
If it works so well, why so many versions?

The answer is because people needed to change or modify each (socialism or religion) for the purpose they were trying to achieve.

And you think you are smart?

 

[Contumacious]

A recent Pugh Research survey showed that 47% of Millennials had positive views on Socialism. It made me wonder, when did we stop teaching World History and specifically, about the horrors of Socialism in school? Must have been since I graduated in the late 70s, because when I went to school, we devoted a great deal of time in studying and being tested rigorously on Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others. The People's Revolution... The Bolsheviks... The Killing Fields... Any of that ringing any bells to Millennials? As it stands, the Death Toll for Socialism worldwide stands at around 150 million, conservatively speaking. And that's for deaths that we know about... there are probably that many more that we will never know about. It is a dangerous and devastating political ideology that you need to be aware of and pay attention to what happens, how it works, what the inhuman and horrific results have been.

Oh, I know... YOU favor a different KIND of Socialism! It's not your Grandaddy's Socialism! But guess what? It's ALWAYS a different kind! Every incarnation of Socialism comes repackaged in a "new and improved" version that will certainly work THIS time! Mao recreated Stalinist Socialism, Pol Pot recreated Maoism. There is always a "better" version of Socialism... that's because there has to be... it keeps failing.

You see, the thing is... I don't really think Millennials have thought this through. The things that you hold near and dear... the grande mocha frappuccino at Starbucks... the latest version of the iPhone or music device... all those things go bye-bye in a Socialist system, you don't have time for that anyway, you have to remain productive. Things like going to the movies or concerts... that becomes a once a year kinda thing, maybe... if you work really hard and save for it. In fact, the coming and going pretty much has to stop altogether because you can't afford it anymore.

Art, music, movies... all things creative that you have known and loved... all goes away because there is no room for creativity and thinking anymore, you must remain committed to becoming a more productive worker. You don't believe me? Well, in Russia, if you look at the art and buildings from their Imperial era, (pre-socialist)... they were colorful and very artistically creative... look at art and buildings following the revolution which brought Socialism and it turns to brown dull colors, uninspired architecture. Creativity is killed for the Greater Good, you see? You'll have the same modest little shoe box home like everyone else and you can't really "own" property anymore... you can't afford to buy it. However, it will always seem as though the Socialist ruling class is able to afford these things, but they are making all this wonderful Socialist Utopia possible, so it's to be expected, right?

The really bad thing is whenever you discover this Socialism isn't really all that it's cracked up to be.... think of Windows Vista... The thing is, you can't revert to previous version... there is nothing there anymore. You have to destroy the free market capitalist system in order to actually implement this wonderful new version of socialism... so there's that. You're just stuck with it until enough people are willing to shed blood and start a revolution. That probably isn't going to be the Millennial generation but I assume at least a few of you will have children and presumably they'll produce grandchildren. At some point, that will be the only way to get back to what we once had... a vibrant free market, free enterprise, capitalist system.

A system, incidentally, which has proven successful everywhere it has been tried. It has produced more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever devised by man. We've been around 247 years, give or take... China has us beat by a few thousand years. We're relative babies in terms of nations.... yet we're the #1 World Superpower. That is the result of our system which is precious and unique... and most importantly, IS NOT SOCIALISM!

Okay, to the Granola Liberals.... You know how you've been instructed to argue that if you carry a Social Security card you're literally a "card-carrying socialist!"? You're being intentionally misled... and again, I have to wonder when we stopped teaching American History.... Constitutionally-enumerated powers of Congress? Promote the General Welfare? Any of that ringing any bells, Millennials? These things like Social Security and Roads/Bridges, etc... they all fall under Constitutionally-enumerated powers of the government that are built into our NON-Socialist system. They are NOT Socialism. There might be some similarities as they are often done as a "collective" and it seems this lines up with Socialism but it's not Socialism at all. There are a set of things you can find in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution which grant government the powers to handle certain aspects of government on behalf of everyone. It's not because government can do it more efficiently or even "better" in all cases, but the framers realized there were certain things the free market capitalist system couldn't do effectively because the incentives were all wrong. A free market capitalist military? What, we're gonna hire mercenaries? So there are these certain set of things the framers realized the government needed the power to handle and those are the Enumerated Powers. It's NOT Socialism.

Our founding fathers actually have the first opportunity of any newly-founded governing body to consider Socialism as the general ideas were already being talked about across the pond. But these people, as you recall, were radicals of their time... they didn't want anything like Socialism, it was moving in the opposite direction and away from what they wanted to do here. They didn't want large centralized Federal power lording over the people. They wanted a society that ensured personal liberty above all else and enabled individuals the freedom to pursue their ambitions and desires through free enterprise, free market economy. They WANTED people to aspire to be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and buy expensive homes. They WANTED businesses to thrive and prosper. And guess what? It worked out brilliantly... we became the undisputed World Leaders... in pretty much everything.

As we've watched in horror as one incarnation of Socialism after another has failed in shocking fashion. Genocide. War. Starvation. Complete collapse of civilization and death. As the policies fail the ruling class attempts to hold on to their power and that's when things really start becoming very ugly. Corruption is widespread and rampant, totalitarian tyranny is inevitable. It's all documented in the history books that we're apparently not using anymore in schools.

And hey, maybe it's not all the Millennial's fault... maybe it's the parents as well... The other day, a friend of mine who has a son that is a Millennial, was reviewing his options for after high school... His parent was steering him toward going to technical school instead of pursuing an academic degree. Buckle down, learn a good trade and be a good little Socialist worker. Don't dream big... don't worry your little head about being wealthy or successful... we know you're not that smart... besides, you're wanting to do that "music career" thing and live in a tiny house, right?

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

Your country has about the same number of people as Los Angeles. It's much easier in a smaller homogeneous society with a common history, culture and goals to have a universal system like that. It isn't really socialism though if the people want it and have voted it in, or representatives to make it happen. I would essentially call what you guys have as a large group plan. That's the whole idea with pooling your resources. Our problem is we will/do have many millions who do not/will not contribute.

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

Your country has about the same number of people as Los Angeles. It's much easier in a smaller homogeneous society with a common history, culture and goals to have a universal system like that. It isn't really socialism though if the people want it and have voted it in, or representatives to make it happen. I would essentially call what you guys have as a large group plan. That's the whole idea with pooling your resources. Our problem is we will/do have many millions who do not/will not contribute.

In order for it not to be considered "socialism" the voters must have UNANIMOUSLY approved the concept. Was it?

How so? In a representative democracy the way is determined by majority votes.

If the people of Belgium have agreed that there should be majority rule then I agree.

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that of course is the essence of the thing. We actually, sorry Boss have a political system wich is incredbly complex with different communties languages and cultures. We dont have 2 parties we have about 11 split over 3 languages and regions. One thing they all agree on is that some basic rights should be available to all ppl in my country. That's how we are socialist everybody in my country starts with a fighting chance, nothing more, nothing less.

Incredibly complex or incredibly fucked up?


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[forkup]

A recent Pugh Research survey showed that 47% of Millennials had positive views on Socialism. It made me wonder, when did we stop teaching World History and specifically, about the horrors of Socialism in school? Must have been since I graduated in the late 70s, because when I went to school, we devoted a great deal of time in studying and being tested rigorously on Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others. The People's Revolution... The Bolsheviks... The Killing Fields... Any of that ringing any bells to Millennials? As it stands, the Death Toll for Socialism worldwide stands at around 150 million, conservatively speaking. And that's for deaths that we know about... there are probably that many more that we will never know about. It is a dangerous and devastating political ideology that you need to be aware of and pay attention to what happens, how it works, what the inhuman and horrific results have been.

Oh, I know... YOU favor a different KIND of Socialism! It's not your Grandaddy's Socialism! But guess what? It's ALWAYS a different kind! Every incarnation of Socialism comes repackaged in a "new and improved" version that will certainly work THIS time! Mao recreated Stalinist Socialism, Pol Pot recreated Maoism. There is always a "better" version of Socialism... that's because there has to be... it keeps failing.

You see, the thing is... I don't really think Millennials have thought this through. The things that you hold near and dear... the grande mocha frappuccino at Starbucks... the latest version of the iPhone or music device... all those things go bye-bye in a Socialist system, you don't have time for that anyway, you have to remain productive. Things like going to the movies or concerts... that becomes a once a year kinda thing, maybe... if you work really hard and save for it. In fact, the coming and going pretty much has to stop altogether because you can't afford it anymore.

Art, music, movies... all things creative that you have known and loved... all goes away because there is no room for creativity and thinking anymore, you must remain committed to becoming a more productive worker. You don't believe me? Well, in Russia, if you look at the art and buildings from their Imperial era, (pre-socialist)... they were colorful and very artistically creative... look at art and buildings following the revolution which brought Socialism and it turns to brown dull colors, uninspired architecture. Creativity is killed for the Greater Good, you see? You'll have the same modest little shoe box home like everyone else and you can't really "own" property anymore... you can't afford to buy it. However, it will always seem as though the Socialist ruling class is able to afford these things, but they are making all this wonderful Socialist Utopia possible, so it's to be expected, right?

The really bad thing is whenever you discover this Socialism isn't really all that it's cracked up to be.... think of Windows Vista... The thing is, you can't revert to previous version... there is nothing there anymore. You have to destroy the free market capitalist system in order to actually implement this wonderful new version of socialism... so there's that. You're just stuck with it until enough people are willing to shed blood and start a revolution. That probably isn't going to be the Millennial generation but I assume at least a few of you will have children and presumably they'll produce grandchildren. At some point, that will be the only way to get back to what we once had... a vibrant free market, free enterprise, capitalist system.

A system, incidentally, which has proven successful everywhere it has been tried. It has produced more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever devised by man. We've been around 247 years, give or take... China has us beat by a few thousand years. We're relative babies in terms of nations.... yet we're the #1 World Superpower. That is the result of our system which is precious and unique... and most importantly, IS NOT SOCIALISM!

Okay, to the Granola Liberals.... You know how you've been instructed to argue that if you carry a Social Security card you're literally a "card-carrying socialist!"? You're being intentionally misled... and again, I have to wonder when we stopped teaching American History.... Constitutionally-enumerated powers of Congress? Promote the General Welfare? Any of that ringing any bells, Millennials? These things like Social Security and Roads/Bridges, etc... they all fall under Constitutionally-enumerated powers of the government that are built into our NON-Socialist system. They are NOT Socialism. There might be some similarities as they are often done as a "collective" and it seems this lines up with Socialism but it's not Socialism at all. There are a set of things you can find in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution which grant government the powers to handle certain aspects of government on behalf of everyone. It's not because government can do it more efficiently or even "better" in all cases, but the framers realized there were certain things the free market capitalist system couldn't do effectively because the incentives were all wrong. A free market capitalist military? What, we're gonna hire mercenaries? So there are these certain set of things the framers realized the government needed the power to handle and those are the Enumerated Powers. It's NOT Socialism.

Our founding fathers actually have the first opportunity of any newly-founded governing body to consider Socialism as the general ideas were already being talked about across the pond. But these people, as you recall, were radicals of their time... they didn't want anything like Socialism, it was moving in the opposite direction and away from what they wanted to do here. They didn't want large centralized Federal power lording over the people. They wanted a society that ensured personal liberty above all else and enabled individuals the freedom to pursue their ambitions and desires through free enterprise, free market economy. They WANTED people to aspire to be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and buy expensive homes. They WANTED businesses to thrive and prosper. And guess what? It worked out brilliantly... we became the undisputed World Leaders... in pretty much everything.

As we've watched in horror as one incarnation of Socialism after another has failed in shocking fashion. Genocide. War. Starvation. Complete collapse of civilization and death. As the policies fail the ruling class attempts to hold on to their power and that's when things really start becoming very ugly. Corruption is widespread and rampant, totalitarian tyranny is inevitable. It's all documented in the history books that we're apparently not using anymore in schools.

And hey, maybe it's not all the Millennial's fault... maybe it's the parents as well... The other day, a friend of mine who has a son that is a Millennial, was reviewing his options for after high school... His parent was steering him toward going to technical school instead of pursuing an academic degree. Buckle down, learn a good trade and be a good little Socialist worker. Don't dream big... don't worry your little head about being wealthy or successful... we know you're not that smart... besides, you're wanting to do that "music career" thing and live in a tiny house, right?

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

Your country has about the same number of people as Los Angeles. It's much easier in a smaller homogeneous society with a common history, culture and goals to have a universal system like that. It isn't really socialism though if the people want it and have voted it in, or representatives to make it happen. I would essentially call what you guys have as a large group plan. That's the whole idea with pooling your resources. Our problem is we will/do have many millions who do not/will not contribute.

Your country has about the same number of people as Los Angeles. It's much easier in a smaller homogeneous society with a common history, culture and goals to have a universal system like that. It isn't really socialism though if the people want it and have voted it in, or representatives to make it happen. I would essentially call what you guys have as a large group plan. That's the whole idea with pooling your resources. Our problem is we will/do have many millions who do not/will not contribute.

In order for it not to be considered "socialism" the voters must have UNANIMOUSLY approved the concept. Was it?

How so? In a representative democracy the way is determined by majority votes.

If the people of Belgium have agreed that there should be majority rule then I agree.

.

that of course is the essence of the thing. We actually, sorry Boss have a political system wich is incredbly complex with different communties languages and cultures. We dont have 2 parties we have about 11 split over 3 languages and regions. One thing they all agree on is that some basic rights should be available to all ppl in my country. That's how we are socialist everybody in my country starts with a fighting chance, nothing more, nothing less.

Incredibly complex or incredibly fucked up?


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An independent Flanders with Brussels as its capital will be best for the Flemish people who represent 60 percent of the Belgium population, and provide 80 percent of its economy, Flemish MP Tom van Grieken told RT.

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Hence te complexity. Where still togheter and I expect we will remain so for a very long time.

 

[Boss]

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

There is really not that much difference. Again, Socialism is the precursor to Communism.

In Belgium, if you make over $41,500 (US equiv.) you pay 50% income tax.
The average pay after tax is around $2k per month.
The average 3br apartment is around $1,500 mo.
You can't own property.

Now... In OUR country, you CAN own property... as much as you like. You can make as much money as you please. You have a roof over your head if you want one. You have schools available to your kids. You have roads and bridges to drive on... .and you can drive any kind of vehicle you want. I go through town every day and I have yet to see anyone dying in the streets due to lack of health care or starvation.

 

[forkup]

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

There is really not that much difference. Again, Socialism is the precursor to Communism.

In Belgium, if you make over $41,500 (US equiv.) you pay 50% income tax.
The average pay after tax is around $2k per month.
The average 3br apartment is around $1,500 mo.
You can't own property.

Now... In OUR country, you CAN own property... as much as you like. You can make as much money as you please. You have a roof over your head if you want one. You have schools available to your kids. You have roads and bridges to drive on... .and you can drive any kind of vehicle you want. I go through town every day and I have yet to see anyone dying in the streets due to lack of health care or starvation.

I pay 550 rent month for a 3 bedroom house. My brother just bought hsi first house. My aunt has just payed of hers last year. Srry to tell you boss info is wrong.

 

[forkup]

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

There is really not that much difference. Again, Socialism is the precursor to Communism.

In Belgium, if you make over $41,500 (US equiv.) you pay 50% income tax.
The average pay after tax is around $2k per month.
The average 3br apartment is around $1,500 mo.
You can't own property.

Now... In OUR country, you CAN own property... as much as you like. You can make as much money as you please. You have a roof over your head if you want one. You have schools available to your kids. You have roads and bridges to drive on... .and you can drive any kind of vehicle you want. I go through town every day and I have yet to see anyone dying in the streets due to lack of health care or starvation.

I pay 550 rent month for a 3 bedroom house. My brother just bought hsi first house. My aunt has just payed of hers last year. Srry to tell you boss info is wrong.

http://www.immoweb.be/en/ for if you dont believe me

 

[Boss]

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

There is really not that much difference. Again, Socialism is the precursor to Communism.

In Belgium, if you make over $41,500 (US equiv.) you pay 50% income tax.
The average pay after tax is around $2k per month.
The average 3br apartment is around $1,500 mo.
You can't own property.

Now... In OUR country, you CAN own property... as much as you like. You can make as much money as you please. You have a roof over your head if you want one. You have schools available to your kids. You have roads and bridges to drive on... .and you can drive any kind of vehicle you want. I go through town every day and I have yet to see anyone dying in the streets due to lack of health care or starvation.

I pay 550 rent month for a 3 bedroom house. My brother just bought hsi first house. My aunt has just payed of hers last year. Srry to tell you boss info is wrong.

http://www.immoweb.be/en/ for if you dont believe me

Cost of Living in Belgium

 

[regent]

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.

There is really not that much difference. Again, Socialism is the precursor to Communism.

In Belgium, if you make over $41,500 (US equiv.) you pay 50% income tax.
The average pay after tax is around $2k per month.
The average 3br apartment is around $1,500 mo.
You can't own property.

Now... In OUR country, you CAN own property... as much as you like. You can make as much money as you please. You have a roof over your head if you want one. You have schools available to your kids. You have roads and bridges to drive on... .and you can drive any kind of vehicle you want. I go through town every day and I have yet to see anyone dying in the streets due to lack of health care or starvation.

In the 1890's Bismarck felt communism was beginning to sound attractive to the German people, his answer was to bring socialized health care to Germany.