Did Millennials Not Learn About Socialism?

[Boss]

Don't know if it is "safe to say" but it is the truth. Many successful countries have a blend of both. And it works well. Including for us.

But we don't have a blend of both. We have a free market, free enterprise, capitalist system. It has been shackled and burdened with crony corporatism and Marxist-Socialist nonsense. Eventually, it will be smothered out and we will become a totally Socialist system. Both cannot coexist.

I gave a very good analogy before... it's like stabbing yourself in the gut repeatedly with several knives and marveling at how you are both dead and alive at the same time... a combination of states! While really, you're not.... you are dying slowly and will eventually be completely dead. We're a free market capitalist system being stabbed in the gut repeatedly by Socialist knives... we're not BOTH things at the same time. That is a MYTH you've bought into.

 

[Siete]

Did Millennials Not Learn About Socialism?



and they're learning about RW rhetoric from the debates ... judging from the Sanders following, they would rather live his life than the lives of the asshat Republicans on stage.

Setting the tone for the future, Republicans continue to destroy themselves making room for socialist generations to come.


good job Republitards !


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[Camp]

Don't know if it is "safe to say" but it is the truth. Many successful countries have a blend of both. And it works well. Including for us.

But we don't have a blend of both. We have a free market, free enterprise, capitalist system. It has been shackled and burdened with crony corporatism and Marxist-Socialist nonsense. Eventually, it will be smothered out and we will become a totally Socialist system. Both cannot coexist.

I gave a very good analogy before... it's like stabbing yourself in the gut repeatedly with several knives and marveling at how you are both dead and alive at the same time... a combination of states! While really, you're not.... you are dying slowly and will eventually be completely dead. We're a free market capitalist system being stabbed in the gut repeatedly by Socialist knives... we're not BOTH things at the same time. That is a MYTH you've bought into.

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work and the new generations are better educated. Countries all over the world, including this one, have used blends of capitalism and levels of socialism for decades.

 

[Boss]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

 

[Siete]

Fox has Sanders +15 over Trump

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now go argue like girls.

 

[The Rabbi]

Socialism has failed every place it's tried. The latest victim is Venezuela where Chavez got elected on basically a Sanders platform. Now the country is almost out of food.

 

[Camp]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

 

[The Rabbi]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Cuba.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Cuba rabbi??



141,000 deaths (high side) while a lot, it is not millions of people killed. And that was the question. Try again.

 

[Camp]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Cuba.

Cuba has a totalitarian government and only one political party, the communist party. Hence; it is a blend of totalitarianism, communism and only self-described as socialist. Reality is that it is officially communist, not socialist.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I wish people would leave millenials alone. They have just now turned 30 and moved out of the house. They got a degree in Greek Philosophy and are working at McDonalds. Live is good!

 

[regent]

Don't know if it is "safe to say" but it is the truth. Many successful countries have a blend of both. And it works well. Including for us.

But we don't have a blend of both. We have a free market, free enterprise, capitalist system. It has been shackled and burdened with crony corporatism and Marxist-Socialist nonsense. Eventually, it will be smothered out and we will become a totally Socialist system. Both cannot coexist.

I gave a very good analogy before... it's like stabbing yourself in the gut repeatedly with several knives and marveling at how you are both dead and alive at the same time... a combination of states! While really, you're not.... you are dying slowly and will eventually be completely dead. We're a free market capitalist system being stabbed in the gut repeatedly by Socialist knives... we're not BOTH things at the same time. That is a MYTH you've bought into.

I would suspect that most nations have a dominant economic system with other systems blended in. In the US we probably have capitalism as the dominant with a cup of socialism, a teaspoon of fascism and a pinch of communism added to the mix. As the mix sours we add or reduce.
Comparing nation's economies as if the economic system were the total determiner is incorrect. Natural resources, locations, cultures, education and other factors can play a major role in a nation's well being.

 

[Contumacious]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Cuba.

Cuba has a totalitarian government and only one political party, the communist party. Hence; it is a blend of totalitarianism, communism and only self-described as socialist. Reality is that it is officially communist, not socialist.

Socialist communist same thing.

You say tomatoe and I say tomatoh

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[Camp]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Cuba.

Cuba has a totalitarian government and only one political party, the communist party. Hence; it is a blend of totalitarianism, communism and only self-described as socialist. Reality is that it is officially communist, not socialist.

Socialist communist same thing.

You say tomatoe and I say tomatoh

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No, they aren't and people who only recognize single definition labels and do not understand the levels and degrees of ideologies are uneducated.

 

[The Rabbi]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Cuba.

Cuba has a totalitarian government and only one political party, the communist party. Hence; it is a blend of totalitarianism, communism and only self-described as socialist. Reality is that it is officially communist, not socialist.

Same shit, different day.

 

[Contumacious]

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Cuba.

Cuba has a totalitarian government and only one political party, the communist party. Hence; it is a blend of totalitarianism, communism and only self-described as socialist. Reality is that it is officially communist, not socialist.

Socialist communist same thing.

You say tomatoe and I say tomatoh

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No, they aren't and people who only recognize single definition labels and do not understand the levels and degrees of ideologies are uneducated.

Oh, I see.

In that case let me educate you.

"While America’s leftists, socialists and communists condemn Hitler, they give the world’s most horrible murderers a pass. First, they make a false distinction between fascism, communism and socialism but more importantly, they sympathize with the socioeconomic goals of communism and socialism. The primary goal of communism and socialism is government ownership or control over the means of production. In the U.S., only a few people call for outright government ownership of the means of production. They might have learned that government ownership would mess things up. Instead, they’ve increasingly called for quasi-ownership through various forms of government regulation, oversight, taxation and subsidies. After all, if someone has the power to tell you how you may use your property, it’s tantamount to his owing it.

Walter E. Williams

 

[Iceweasel]

Once government regulations and demands FUBARs the economy, who can fix it but government. And the fix will be a total take over.

 

[Boss]

Sounds more like you are the one who has not learned how socialism can work...

For all of Socialism's entire history, this has been it's mantra.... It CAN work... we just need to make a few tweaks! Each time, a new version is rolled out with high hopes and great aspirations... only to result in the same dismal failure and usually with genocide and death to millions. It has happened over and over again throughout history.

Can you give an example of one of these socialist countries that brought about genocide and death to millions?

Russia, China and Cambodia, to name three.

Now, I already know what your smug condescending meme will be... Oh, well those are communist countries and communism is not socialism! Am I right???

Socialism is merely the precursor to Communism. That's the sole purpose of Socialism... to bring forth Communism. Socialist nations are on their journey to become Communist nations. You see... the "Socialism isn't that bad" meme will be replaced with "Communism isn't that bad" and the march continues. And it's typically not until you are standing by that open ditch with a gun to your head that you realize this didn't turn out as well as you planned.

 

[Boss]

Once government regulations and demands FUBARs the economy, who can fix it but government. And the fix will be a total take over.

Exactly! And they know exactly what they are doing! Some people argue the left doesn't get it... they don't understand how capitalism works and jobs are created with economic prosperity and all... they DO get it! The want to destroy it! Bring down the Beast... so they can trot in Socialism in all it's glory to save us.

 

[forkup]

A recent Pugh Research survey showed that 47% of Millennials had positive views on Socialism. It made me wonder, when did we stop teaching World History and specifically, about the horrors of Socialism in school? Must have been since I graduated in the late 70s, because when I went to school, we devoted a great deal of time in studying and being tested rigorously on Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others. The People's Revolution... The Bolsheviks... The Killing Fields... Any of that ringing any bells to Millennials? As it stands, the Death Toll for Socialism worldwide stands at around 150 million, conservatively speaking. And that's for deaths that we know about... there are probably that many more that we will never know about. It is a dangerous and devastating political ideology that you need to be aware of and pay attention to what happens, how it works, what the inhuman and horrific results have been.

Oh, I know... YOU favor a different KIND of Socialism! It's not your Grandaddy's Socialism! But guess what? It's ALWAYS a different kind! Every incarnation of Socialism comes repackaged in a "new and improved" version that will certainly work THIS time! Mao recreated Stalinist Socialism, Pol Pot recreated Maoism. There is always a "better" version of Socialism... that's because there has to be... it keeps failing.

You see, the thing is... I don't really think Millennials have thought this through. The things that you hold near and dear... the grande mocha frappuccino at Starbucks... the latest version of the iPhone or music device... all those things go bye-bye in a Socialist system, you don't have time for that anyway, you have to remain productive. Things like going to the movies or concerts... that becomes a once a year kinda thing, maybe... if you work really hard and save for it. In fact, the coming and going pretty much has to stop altogether because you can't afford it anymore.

Art, music, movies... all things creative that you have known and loved... all goes away because there is no room for creativity and thinking anymore, you must remain committed to becoming a more productive worker. You don't believe me? Well, in Russia, if you look at the art and buildings from their Imperial era, (pre-socialist)... they were colorful and very artistically creative... look at art and buildings following the revolution which brought Socialism and it turns to brown dull colors, uninspired architecture. Creativity is killed for the Greater Good, you see? You'll have the same modest little shoe box home like everyone else and you can't really "own" property anymore... you can't afford to buy it. However, it will always seem as though the Socialist ruling class is able to afford these things, but they are making all this wonderful Socialist Utopia possible, so it's to be expected, right?

The really bad thing is whenever you discover this Socialism isn't really all that it's cracked up to be.... think of Windows Vista... The thing is, you can't revert to previous version... there is nothing there anymore. You have to destroy the free market capitalist system in order to actually implement this wonderful new version of socialism... so there's that. You're just stuck with it until enough people are willing to shed blood and start a revolution. That probably isn't going to be the Millennial generation but I assume at least a few of you will have children and presumably they'll produce grandchildren. At some point, that will be the only way to get back to what we once had... a vibrant free market, free enterprise, capitalist system.

A system, incidentally, which has proven successful everywhere it has been tried. It has produced more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever devised by man. We've been around 247 years, give or take... China has us beat by a few thousand years. We're relative babies in terms of nations.... yet we're the #1 World Superpower. That is the result of our system which is precious and unique... and most importantly, IS NOT SOCIALISM!

Okay, to the Granola Liberals.... You know how you've been instructed to argue that if you carry a Social Security card you're literally a "card-carrying socialist!"? You're being intentionally misled... and again, I have to wonder when we stopped teaching American History.... Constitutionally-enumerated powers of Congress? Promote the General Welfare? Any of that ringing any bells, Millennials? These things like Social Security and Roads/Bridges, etc... they all fall under Constitutionally-enumerated powers of the government that are built into our NON-Socialist system. They are NOT Socialism. There might be some similarities as they are often done as a "collective" and it seems this lines up with Socialism but it's not Socialism at all. There are a set of things you can find in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution which grant government the powers to handle certain aspects of government on behalf of everyone. It's not because government can do it more efficiently or even "better" in all cases, but the framers realized there were certain things the free market capitalist system couldn't do effectively because the incentives were all wrong. A free market capitalist military? What, we're gonna hire mercenaries? So there are these certain set of things the framers realized the government needed the power to handle and those are the Enumerated Powers. It's NOT Socialism.

Our founding fathers actually have the first opportunity of any newly-founded governing body to consider Socialism as the general ideas were already being talked about across the pond. But these people, as you recall, were radicals of their time... they didn't want anything like Socialism, it was moving in the opposite direction and away from what they wanted to do here. They didn't want large centralized Federal power lording over the people. They wanted a society that ensured personal liberty above all else and enabled individuals the freedom to pursue their ambitions and desires through free enterprise, free market economy. They WANTED people to aspire to be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and buy expensive homes. They WANTED businesses to thrive and prosper. And guess what? It worked out brilliantly... we became the undisputed World Leaders... in pretty much everything.

As we've watched in horror as one incarnation of Socialism after another has failed in shocking fashion. Genocide. War. Starvation. Complete collapse of civilization and death. As the policies fail the ruling class attempts to hold on to their power and that's when things really start becoming very ugly. Corruption is widespread and rampant, totalitarian tyranny is inevitable. It's all documented in the history books that we're apparently not using anymore in schools.

And hey, maybe it's not all the Millennial's fault... maybe it's the parents as well... The other day, a friend of mine who has a son that is a Millennial, was reviewing his options for after high school... His parent was steering him toward going to technical school instead of pursuing an academic degree. Buckle down, learn a good trade and be a good little Socialist worker. Don't dream big... don't worry your little head about being wealthy or successful... we know you're not that smart... besides, you're wanting to do that "music career" thing and live in a tiny house, right?

I live in a social democracy. You describe communism and it differs like night and day, I work, make money, spend that money on stuff i might,or might not need. I can get rich, or be poor. The difference is in my country, (Belgium) most all ppl have a roof over their head, food in there mouth, their kids can go to school as far as their intellect can take them. When we get sick we get treated no matter our financiel position. We do this by paying taxes wich would make an American crinch; But as someone who has an American wife and as such a REAL way of comparing I can say that the cost far outweigh it benifits.