Did we really have to nuke Japan?

[Unkotare]

Stop trying to make the U.S. the bad guys.

Another failed straw man.

 

[HenryBHough]

Rooseveldt needed the war to deal with unemployment problem. Truman saw the REAL job was done and ended it before hundreds of thousands more Americans were killed. Yeah, I can see why liberals would have loved to see more American corpses. Hey, they like dead babies! Just think of casualtits as REALLY late-term abortions.

 

[FA_Q2]

[ We weren't at war with the Japanese military. We were at war with Japan....

So the goal was to kill civilians? Women, children, the elderly?

Yes, that actually was the goal.

Japan simply would not give up and the only way to end the war was to make a show of power that was so awesome that it completely demoralized them. Apparently it worked well enough to end the war.

The most interesting part about these topics when they arise is that they focused on the bombs that were dropped without regard to the firebombing which actually killed MORE civilians that the atomic weapons ever did. Why is the morality of the atomic weapons in such a state when most people have no knowledge of the more destructive bombing raids?

 

[Unkotare]

The most interesting part about these topics when they arise is that they focused on the bombs that were dropped without regard to the firebombing which actually killed MORE civilians that the atomic weapons ever did...

Actually, the firebombing is brought up every time this topic arises.

 

[Unkotare]

most people have no knowledge of the more destructive bombing raids?

What gives you the idea that "most people have no knowledge" of that?

 

[FA_Q2]

most people have no knowledge of the more destructive bombing raids?

What gives you the idea that "most people have no knowledge" of that?

People I have spoken to.

It is very rare that I find someone that actually knows anything about the air raids over japan but virtually everyone knows we dropped 2 atomic weapons on them.

Edit: has it even been brought up in this thread?

 

[FA_Q2]

The most interesting part about these topics when they arise is that they focused on the bombs that were dropped without regard to the firebombing which actually killed MORE civilians that the atomic weapons ever did...

Actually, the firebombing is brought up every time this topic arises.

I have not seen it brought up before.

 

[Politico]

Did we really have to nuke Japan?

Yes. moving on.

 

[Unkotare]

most people have no knowledge of the more destructive bombing raids?

What gives you the idea that "most people have no knowledge" of that?

People I have spoken to.....

What a logical conclusion............

 

[Unkotare]

The most interesting part about these topics when they arise is that they focused on the bombs that were dropped without regard to the firebombing which actually killed MORE civilians that the atomic weapons ever did...

Actually, the firebombing is brought up every time this topic arises.

I have not seen it brought up before.

Pay attention.

 

[NYcarbineer]

San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, possibly Seattle. If they were really ambitious, add Miami, Charleston, New York, or Boston.

They had no means of such delivery. Don't be stupid.

No matter how many times you repeat that same bullshit, it is STILL BULLSHIT!

OK genius, how did the defeated nation without enough men to staff their forces or experienced pilots to fly the very few planes with no fuel remaining have the means to extend forces past the US Navy encircling their nation to deliver a large, experimental bomb on the US mainland when they had not been able to deliver conventional bombs even when they had enjoyed military successes early in the war?

You put it in a submarine and and get as close to LA or San Francisco as you can.

Or you put it on a plane and hit a large US occupied island in the Pacific and let us worry about what more you might be capable of.

 

[Jarlaxle]

They had no planes that could carry a bomb without being vastly overloaded, and ZERO chance of one getting through even if it managed to get off the ground.

 

[Unkotare]

San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, possibly Seattle. If they were really ambitious, add Miami, Charleston, New York, or Boston.

They had no means of such delivery. Don't be stupid.

No matter how many times you repeat that same bullshit, it is STILL BULLSHIT!

OK genius, how did the defeated nation without enough men to staff their forces or experienced pilots to fly the very few planes with no fuel remaining have the means to extend forces past the US Navy encircling their nation to deliver a large, experimental bomb on the US mainland when they had not been able to deliver conventional bombs even when they had enjoyed military successes early in the war?

You put it in a submarine and and get as close to LA or San Francisco as you can.....

Like all those times they had managed to do anything like that during the war before they had been decimated? Yeah...

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, possibly Seattle. If they were really ambitious, add Miami, Charleston, New York, or Boston.

They had no means of such delivery. Don't be stupid.

No matter how many times you repeat that same bullshit, it is STILL BULLSHIT!

OK genius, how did the defeated nation without enough men to staff their forces or experienced pilots to fly the very few planes with no fuel remaining have the means to extend forces past the US Navy encircling their nation to deliver a large, experimental bomb on the US mainland when they had not been able to deliver conventional bombs even when they had enjoyed military successes early in the war?

You put it in a submarine and and get as close to LA or San Francisco as you can.

Or you put it on a plane and hit a large US occupied island in the Pacific and let us worry about what more you might be capable of.

You're way out on a limb here. Projecting power like that requires infrastructure, infrastructure that we crushed. The point of the OP is that Japan was already brought to its knees. Protecting its own homeland was top priority and there was no chance they were going to anger the Americans further, especially with an emperor that wanted to stay in power.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

They had no planes that could carry a bomb without being vastly overloaded, and ZERO chance of one getting through even if it managed to get off the ground.

Another good point. They had nothing like the Enola Gay B-29 high altitude strategic bomber.

 

[Redfish]

OMG, now the libs want to refight WW2 and blame the USA. The bombs saved millions of US and Japanese lives. The US was gearing up for a land invasion of Japan that would have killed millions and cost billions. Truman made the right call.

 

[NYcarbineer]

San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, possibly Seattle. If they were really ambitious, add Miami, Charleston, New York, or Boston.

They had no means of such delivery. Don't be stupid.

No matter how many times you repeat that same bullshit, it is STILL BULLSHIT!

OK genius, how did the defeated nation without enough men to staff their forces or experienced pilots to fly the very few planes with no fuel remaining have the means to extend forces past the US Navy encircling their nation to deliver a large, experimental bomb on the US mainland when they had not been able to deliver conventional bombs even when they had enjoyed military successes early in the war?

You put it in a submarine and and get as close to LA or San Francisco as you can.

Or you put it on a plane and hit a large US occupied island in the Pacific and let us worry about what more you might be capable of.

You're way out on a limb here. Projecting power like that requires infrastructure, infrastructure that we crushed. The point of the OP is that Japan was already brought to its knees. Protecting its own homeland was top priority and there was no chance they were going to anger the Americans further, especially with an emperor that wanted to stay in power.

Nonsense. Remember, the Japanese would not have known we had the bomb. If they had gotten it, hell, they could used it against the eventual US invasion force, at sea, and wiped it out.

 

[NYcarbineer]

OMG, now the libs want to refight WW2 and blame the USA. The bombs saved millions of US and Japanese lives. The US was gearing up for a land invasion of Japan that would have killed millions and cost billions. Truman made the right call.

You should learn to read and THEN resume posting.

 

[Redfish]

They had no means of such delivery. Don't be stupid.

No matter how many times you repeat that same bullshit, it is STILL BULLSHIT!

OK genius, how did the defeated nation without enough men to staff their forces or experienced pilots to fly the very few planes with no fuel remaining have the means to extend forces past the US Navy encircling their nation to deliver a large, experimental bomb on the US mainland when they had not been able to deliver conventional bombs even when they had enjoyed military successes early in the war?

You put it in a submarine and and get as close to LA or San Francisco as you can.

Or you put it on a plane and hit a large US occupied island in the Pacific and let us worry about what more you might be capable of.

You're way out on a limb here. Projecting power like that requires infrastructure, infrastructure that we crushed. The point of the OP is that Japan was already brought to its knees. Protecting its own homeland was top priority and there was no chance they were going to anger the Americans further, especially with an emperor that wanted to stay in power.

Nonsense. Remember, the Japanese would not have known we had the bomb. If they had gotten it, hell, they could used it against the eventual US invasion force, at sea, and wiped it out.

damn, I never thought I would agree with you on anything.

 

[Mr Natural]

The big mistake we made was apologizing for the bomb.

Instead, we should have taken a stance that this is what happens to you when you fuck with us.