Dissecting John Stossel's Anti-Communist Lies

[Toddsterpatriot]

The power-hungry, oversized bureaucracies that truly enslave humanity are the big, capitalist-run corporations. That's where the overreach exists, but unfortunately, mammon-worshiping "Christian" fundies like you conveniently ignore this fact.

The power-hungry, oversized bureaucracies that truly enslave humanity are the big, capitalist-run corporations.

Exactly!

All those mass grave in Russia, that was Proctor & Gamble.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The industries that are vital to our nation's infrastructure, like energy, mines, utilities, banks, weapons manufacturing..etc. are managed by the US government. Today many local municipalities run the electric companies and several other utilities often offering lower prices than private companies. The earnings of these publicly owned companies are deposited in the public treasury, in order to pay for healthcare and education. etc. Infrastructure development.

You would rather give this money to billionaires, I would rather have my democratic government (government for the people, by the people), deposit this money in the public treasury and use it to build up the country. The American people own certain resources collectively, as a community. It's our common wealth, belonging to all Americans, not a billionaire or privately owned companies.

The earnings of these publicly owned companies are deposited in the public treasury, in order to pay for healthcare and education. etc. Infrastructure development.

Like when Obama's student loans were going to pay for Obamacare....and now we're going to
have hundreds of billions in defaults and forgiveness.

That was awesome!

 

[surada]

Wrong.

Capistalism did not struggle to replace feudalism and chattel slavery. It replaced those outdated systems very quickly.

Unlike collectivist systems capitalism did not result in thr deaths of millions.

Communism and socialism on the other hand keep failing while slaughtering millions and yet morons still keep thinking they can make it work. They are doomed to failure and will never succeed

No critical thinking in your bag of tricks.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No critical thinking in your bag of tricks.

Critical thinkers like communism?

 

[Red Front]

The power-hungry, oversized bureaucracies that truly enslave humanity are the big, capitalist-run corporations.

Exactly!

All those mass grave in Russia, that was Proctor & Gamble.

What "mass graves"? The ones in your head perhaps.

As far as death, yes war is deadly. American troops invaded Soviet Russia in 1918, and 4 million Nazis invaded the Soviets in 1941. Wars kill.

 

[Red Front]

The earnings of these publicly owned companies are deposited in the public treasury, in order to pay for healthcare and education. etc. Infrastructure development.

Like when Obama's student loans were going to pay for Obamacare....and now we're going to
have hundreds of billions in defaults and forgiveness.

That was awesome!

Education should be tuition free anyways. It's a human right, to be educated.

 

[Red Front]

Critical thinkers like communism?

Exactly. Like communism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Education should be tuition free anyways. It's a human right, to be educated.

If you can get the colleges to stop charging tuition, that would be awesome!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What "mass graves"? The ones in your head perhaps.

List of mass graves from Soviet mass executions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Red Front]

If you can get the colleges to stop charging tuition, that would be awesome!

The government would make all public colleges tuition free. Private colleges can charge whatever they want.

 

[fncceo]

All those mass grave in Russia, that was Proctor & Gamble.

 

[Oddball]

 

[Red Front]

List of mass graves from Soviet mass executions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That doesn't prove "murder" for several reasons:

Controversies of the Polish–Soviet War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tens of thousands of Soviets died in Polish concentration camps. You're complaining about 200 bodies in a mass grave? That's peanuts, compared to how many Soviets were murdered by the capitalist white armies. Class warfare is deadly.

 

[Red Front]

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Those bastards killed a lot of Nazis.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government would make all public colleges tuition free. Private colleges can charge whatever they want.

That's not free college.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That doesn't prove "murder" for several reasons:

Controversies of the Polish–Soviet War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tens of thousands of Soviets died in Polish concentration camps. You're complaining about 200 bodies in a mass grave? That's peanuts, compared to how many Soviets were murdered by the capitalist white armies. Class warfare is deadly.

They weren't murdered, they tripped and fell into the mass graves?

 

[Red Front]

American mass graves...

During the American Civil War, the death toll was extremely high, with estimates ranging from 620,000 to 750,000 soldiers killed. Many of these deaths occurred in large battles, and it was common for the dead to be buried quickly in mass graves. For example, after the Battle of Gettysburg, one of the deadliest battles of the Civil War, mass graves were used for many of the thousands of dead. In recent years, efforts have been made to identify these sites and honor those buried there.

As for the Indian Wars, the term refers to a series of conflicts between European settlers (and later the U.S. government) and various Native American tribes from the 17th century through the late 19th century. Mass graves related to these conflicts have also been found. One well-known example is the Wounded Knee Massacre site in South Dakota, where U.S. soldiers killed hundreds of Lakota Sioux people in 1890, many of whom were buried in a mass grave.
Americans massacre Indians:

1. 
   Gnadenhutten Massacre (1782): During the American Revolutionary War, Pennsylvania militiamen killed 96 peaceful Christian Delaware (Lenape) Indians, including men, women, and children.
2. Battle of Tippecanoe (1811): This battle between U.S. forces and Tecumseh's Confederacy could be seen as a massacre, considering the disparity in force and the aggressive tactics employed by the U.S.
3. Sand Creek Massacre (1864): Colorado Territory militia attacked and destroyed a peaceful village of Cheyenne and Arapaho on the eastern plains, killing and mutilating an estimated 70–163 Native Americans, about two-thirds of whom were women and children.
4. Bear River Massacre (1863): U.S. Army attacked Shoshone gathered at the confluence of the Bear River and Beaver Creek in what was then southeastern Washington Territory. The number of Shoshone victims reported by local settlers was higher than that reported by soldiers.
5. Marijuana Massacre (1863): California volunteer cavalrymen led by Patrick Edward Connor attacked a Shoshone encampment, killing around 250-300 Shoshone, including women and children.
6. Washita River Massacre (1868): Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer's 7th U.S. Cavalry attacked a village of sleeping Cheyenne led by Black Kettle. U.S. troops killed women and children in addition to warriors, although this was often disputed later.
7. Wounded Knee Massacre (1890): The U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment intercepted a band of Lakota people and ended up killing an estimated 150-300 men, women, and children near Wounded Knee Creek in South Dakota.

 

[Red Front]

They weren't murdered, they tripped and fell into the mass graves?

They were killed. Killing doesn't necessarily equate to murder. In a war, people kill and get killed.

This is murder:

1. 
   Gnadenhutten Massacre (1782): During the American Revolutionary War, Pennsylvania militiamen killed 96 peaceful Christian Delaware (Lenape) Indians, including men, women, and children.
2. Battle of Tippecanoe (1811): This battle between U.S. forces and Tecumseh's Confederacy could be seen as a massacre, considering the disparity in force and the aggressive tactics employed by the U.S.
3. Sand Creek Massacre (1864): Colorado Territory militia attacked and destroyed a peaceful village of Cheyenne and Arapaho on the eastern plains, killing and mutilating an estimated 70–163 Native Americans, about two-thirds of whom were women and children.
4. Bear River Massacre (1863): U.S. Army attacked Shoshone gathered at the confluence of the Bear River and Beaver Creek in what was then southeastern Washington Territory. The number of Shoshone victims reported by local settlers was higher than that reported by soldiers.
5. Marijuana Massacre (1863): California volunteer cavalrymen led by Patrick Edward Connor attacked a Shoshone encampment, killing around 250-300 Shoshone, including women and children.
6. Washita River Massacre (1868): Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer's 7th U.S. Cavalry attacked a village of sleeping Cheyenne led by Black Kettle. U.S. troops killed women and children in addition to warriors, although this was often disputed later.
7. Wounded Knee Massacre (1890): The U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment intercepted a band of Lakota people and ended up killing an estimated 150-300 men, women, and children near Wounded Knee Creek in South Dakota.

Even children weren't spared.

 

[Lesh]

It's not how you start the race, it's how you finish it that matters. It took centuries for capitalism to replace chattel slavery and feudalism, and it will take time for socialism and then communism to replace capitalism. It's just a matter of time.

Oh bullshit

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They were killed. Killing doesn't necessarily equate to murder. In a war, people kill and get killed.

This is murder:

1. 
   Gnadenhutten Massacre (1782): During the American Revolutionary War, Pennsylvania militiamen killed 96 peaceful Christian Delaware (Lenape) Indians, including men, women, and children.
2. Battle of Tippecanoe (1811): This battle between U.S. forces and Tecumseh's Confederacy could be seen as a massacre, considering the disparity in force and the aggressive tactics employed by the U.S.
3. Sand Creek Massacre (1864): Colorado Territory militia attacked and destroyed a peaceful village of Cheyenne and Arapaho on the eastern plains, killing and mutilating an estimated 70–163 Native Americans, about two-thirds of whom were women and children.
4. Bear River Massacre (1863): U.S. Army attacked Shoshone gathered at the confluence of the Bear River and Beaver Creek in what was then southeastern Washington Territory. The number of Shoshone victims reported by local settlers was higher than that reported by soldiers.
5. Marijuana Massacre (1863): California volunteer cavalrymen led by Patrick Edward Connor attacked a Shoshone encampment, killing around 250-300 Shoshone, including women and children.
6. Washita River Massacre (1868): Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer's 7th U.S. Cavalry attacked a village of sleeping Cheyenne led by Black Kettle. U.S. troops killed women and children in addition to warriors, although this was often disputed later.
7. Wounded Knee Massacre (1890): The U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment intercepted a band of Lakota people and ended up killing an estimated 150-300 men, women, and children near Wounded Knee Creek in South Dakota.

Even children weren't spared.

Stalin's millions of victims deserved it?