Do conservatives not understand how important it is to protect pre-existing conditions?

[emilynghiem]

It is not socialism. You have no clue what you are talking about. Insurance is about sharing costs.

That's why it can't include pre-existing conditions.

Pre-existing conditions should be included. There is no reason why it shouldn't.

There is a reason. A damn good reason.

The reason that if you don't pay into an insurance pool then you are getting welfare and all welfare is wrong.

You should not demand that other people pay your bills for you. It is your responsibility to pay your own. If you have not been paying into an insurance pool when you were not sick then that means somebody else must pay for you. You don't want to be greedy and have somebody else have to work to make money to give to you, do you? Because that is exactly what a stupid preexisting condition requirement means and that is despicable.

Be responsible for your own well being. Stop demanding that other people be forced to pay you bills. You don't want to be one of these filthy ass welfare queens, do you? That would be shitty, wouldn't it?

Dear Flash and busybee01
Yes and no.
If liberal Democrats/progressive Greens want collective discounts as a group,
then by all means, "health care cooperatives" can be set up where members
DO agree to pool their resources together and pay for each other's services on a sustainable basis.

I recommend this be set up through medical education and training programs to ensure there
are enough service providers to meet the needs of local populations.
I even recommend converting prison facilities and budgets into health care
screening, treatment and rehab/recovery programs so the resources can come from there.

The way the Christian health share ministries work is by sharing costs among
the members who agree to the same cost-cutting policies (such as no smoking, drinking or drug use).

If liberals believe in a more lax policy, including sex that could lead to abortion
and smoking or drug use that could lead to lung and brain damage,
the terms of membership in that collective pool would be different to cover these costs
that other groups may not agree to pay for!

Instead of saying NO to the progressive ideal of health care for all,
we should encourage advocates to set up their own health care cooperatives,
train enough workers and build enough facilities/schools, in order to meet this lofty goal and get to YES.

Give them what they want.
If they want that responsibility, then spell it out.
And require them to write up sustainable business plans
and apply for loans and grants like any other business or nonprofit seeking donations, investors and support.

The government needs to get out of the business of taking money from a person that earns it and giving it to somebody else.

That should never be a function of government. No welfare, no subsidies, no entitlements and no bailouts.

Then we need to reduce taxes. Then everybody would have more money to spend on what they chose to spend it on. That includes charity. Americans are generous for those really in need.

Liberals are only generous with using other people's money to buy voting blocks and that is not right.

Dear Flash the best way to learn to be more effective with money and resources
is to train people to run programs themselves so they learn from experience
what conservatives mean by being fiscally responsible in cutting costs.

Since liberals believe in govt run health care,
why not hold them to fund this themselves through their own party membership and platform?

Why not require them to apply for business loans, investment and MENTORSHIP
so that business people with experience (in either nonprofit, education or businesses providing medical services)
can still help teach people "through experience" the process involved in running and maintaining such programs.

give people tax break incentives for investing in developing medical school/service programs,
including how to convert prison facilities into screening, treatment and rehab centers.

It's one thing to keep preaching to liberals that these programs need to be run responsibly
like businesses that pay for themselves.

It's another thing to set up actual programs for training people how to run them responsibly so they work!

 

[Flash]

Anybody demanding that they get preexisting conditions covered when they didn't pay insurance is also demanding that somebody else pay their bills.

Disgusting, in't it?

What they are asking for is reasonable rates. They are not saying they should pay nothing. Quit lying.

What's "reasonable" if you have cancer?

Insurance premium cost consist of risk rates for the pool plus adminstrative costs and a profit for the company administering the funds.

We have pretty good estimates of the number of people in pool that could get cancer or other high cost diseases and can reasonably estimate the cost to the pool.

When you have somebody come into be the pool with high cost that haven't paid in because of government mandated acceptance of pre existing conditions that drives up the cost for everybody else.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

So, what happens to those children when the become adults and this charity no longer helps them?

Do you have any clue how expensive of a disease Type-1 is to control and the massive health issue that can arise if it is not controlled?

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

Diabetes is not something that is expensive to keep in check. However insurers charged people with diabetes much higher rates as if it were expensive to treat. That means people with diabetes may find insurance too expensive to afford.

I went in for a check up a couple of years ago and the doctor told me that I was pre diabetes.

He gave me a list of things I should do . He said Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease.

I took personal responsibility and did what he told me. It was not easy but not all that hard either.

I am not diabetic now .

Other people should also take responsibility for their health and not expect me to pay their bills for them just because they are alive.

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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[Flash]

That's why it can't include pre-existing conditions.

Pre-existing conditions should be included. There is no reason why it shouldn't.

There is a reason. A damn good reason.

The reason that if you don't pay into an insurance pool then you are getting welfare and all welfare is wrong.

You should not demand that other people pay your bills for you. It is your responsibility to pay your own. If you have not been paying into an insurance pool when you were not sick then that means somebody else must pay for you. You don't want to be greedy and have somebody else have to work to make money to give to you, do you? Because that is exactly what a stupid preexisting condition requirement means and that is despicable.

Be responsible for your own well being. Stop demanding that other people be forced to pay you bills. You don't want to be one of these filthy ass welfare queens, do you? That would be shitty, wouldn't it?

Dear Flash and busybee01
Yes and no.
If liberal Democrats/progressive Greens want collective discounts as a group,
then by all means, "health care cooperatives" can be set up where members
DO agree to pool their resources together and pay for each other's services on a sustainable basis.

I recommend this be set up through medical education and training programs to ensure there
are enough service providers to meet the needs of local populations.
I even recommend converting prison facilities and budgets into health care
screening, treatment and rehab/recovery programs so the resources can come from there.

The way the Christian health share ministries work is by sharing costs among
the members who agree to the same cost-cutting policies (such as no smoking, drinking or drug use).

If liberals believe in a more lax policy, including sex that could lead to abortion
and smoking or drug use that could lead to lung and brain damage,
the terms of membership in that collective pool would be different to cover these costs
that other groups may not agree to pay for!

Instead of saying NO to the progressive ideal of health care for all,
we should encourage advocates to set up their own health care cooperatives,
train enough workers and build enough facilities/schools, in order to meet this lofty goal and get to YES.

Give them what they want.
If they want that responsibility, then spell it out.
And require them to write up sustainable business plans
and apply for loans and grants like any other business or nonprofit seeking donations, investors and support.

The government needs to get out of the business of taking money from a person that earns it and giving it to somebody else.

That should never be a function of government. No welfare, no subsidies, no entitlements and no bailouts.

Then we need to reduce taxes. Then everybody would have more money to spend on what they chose to spend it on. That includes charity. Americans are generous for those really in need.

Liberals are only generous with using other people's money to buy voting blocks and that is not right.

Dear Flash the best way to learn to be more effective with money and resources
is to train people to run programs themselves so they learn from experience
what conservatives mean by being fiscally responsible in cutting costs.

Since liberals believe in govt run health care,
why not hold them to fund this themselves through their own party membership and platform?

Why not require them to apply for business loans, investment and MENTORSHIP
so that business people with experience (in either nonprofit, education or businesses providing medical services)
can still help teach people "through experience" the process involved in running and maintaining such programs.

give people tax break incentives for investing in developing medical school/service programs,
including how to convert prison facilities into screening, treatment and rehab centers.

It's one thing to keep preaching to liberals that these programs need to be run responsibly
like businesses that pay for themselves.

It's another thing to set up actual programs for training people how to run them responsibly so they work!

It is not my responsibility to pay your health care bills. It is your responsibility.

It is not my responsibility to train you to be fiscally responsible. That is your responsibility.

It is not my responsibility to loan you money.

I am for considerably less government expenditures and corresponding less taxes for everybody. You spend your money on what you want and I'll spend mine on what I want.

 

[Billy000]

It is not socialism. You have no clue what you are talking about. Insurance is about sharing costs.

That's why it can't include pre-existing conditions.

Pre-existing conditions should be included. There is no reason why it shouldn't.

There is a reason. A damn good reason.

The reason that if you don't pay into an insurance pool then you are getting welfare and all welfare is wrong.

You should not demand that other people pay your bills for you. It is your responsibility to pay your own. If you have not been paying into an insurance pool when you were not sick then that means somebody else must pay for you. You don't want to be greedy and have somebody else have to work to make money to give to you, do you? Because that is exactly what a stupid preexisting condition requirement means and that is despicable.

Be responsible for your own well being. Stop demanding that other people be forced to pay you bills. You don't want to be one of these filthy ass welfare queens, do you? That would be shitty, wouldn't it?

Dear Flash and busybee01
Yes and no.
If liberal Democrats/progressive Greens want collective discounts as a group,
then by all means, "health care cooperatives" can be set up where members
DO agree to pool their resources together and pay for each other's services on a sustainable basis.

I recommend this be set up through medical education and training programs to ensure there
are enough service providers to meet the needs of local populations.
I even recommend converting prison facilities and budgets into health care
screening, treatment and rehab/recovery programs so the resources can come from there.

The way the Christian health share ministries work is by sharing costs among
the members who agree to the same cost-cutting policies (such as no smoking, drinking or drug use).

If liberals believe in a more lax policy, including sex that could lead to abortion
and smoking or drug use that could lead to lung and brain damage,
the terms of membership in that collective pool would be different to cover these costs
that other groups may not agree to pay for!

Instead of saying NO to the progressive ideal of health care for all,
we should encourage advocates to set up their own health care cooperatives,
train enough workers and build enough facilities/schools, in order to meet this lofty goal and get to YES.

Give them what they want.
If they want that responsibility, then spell it out.
And require them to write up sustainable business plans
and apply for loans and grants like any other business or nonprofit seeking donations, investors and support.

The government needs to get out of the business of taking money from a person that earns it and giving it to somebody else.

That should never be a function of government. No welfare, no subsidies, no entitlements and no bailouts.

Then we need to reduce taxes. Then everybody would have more money to spend on what they chose to spend it on. That includes charity. Americans are generous for those really in need.

Liberals are only generous with using other people's money to buy voting blocks and that is not right.

I donate to charity every month. I doubt you do.

 

[emilynghiem]

Any liberal can, at any time, step in and cover somebody’s Preexisting confition. That isn’t the point. The demand that other people pay for it is always the real point of socialism.
And temper tantrums follow.

It is not socialism. You have no clue what you are talking about. Insurance is about sharing costs.

Dear busybee01
1. insurance does not guarantee services will be paid for or that people can afford to pay for their portion.
2. for shared costs, look into health care cooperatives that are about the actual provisions and services made locally accessible. both progressives like the Greens and conservatives like Sean Hannity agree on health care coops as the best solution that eliminates conflicts over govt micromanaging choices.
3. as for socialism, in American politics this term tends to be used to mean govt interference and regulations over programs and not "literal" ownership.
the literal term means govt ownership, but people use the term loosely in America. the main conflict is that liberals see the govt authority as representing the people (while conservatives don't), and conservatives see the people as having the authority of govt (while liberals don't). so when you argue about whether 'govt' should be in control, the conservatives mean the PEOPLE should decide democratically while the liberals keep putting federal govt above the people. We all want "people" to be represented, but once this gets into the hands of "govt" it becomes controlled by politics in Congress and stops representing what the "people" were really asking for in the first place. so neither side gets represented, and both blame the other. the key is to return the decision making to the PEOPLE, and after policies and terms are set up to work properly, THEN model govt after what works -- so the PEOPLE decide on policies and govt represents the PEOPLE. Not giving up control over terms conditions and policies to politicians in DC first, then holding citizens and taxpayers enslaved to whatever comes out of Congress, which tends to be a corrupted compromised mess. that is what conservatives mean by socialism and opposing "govt control" of regulations (not necessarily literal "ownership" of the production or programs as the literal term means).

 

[emilynghiem]

Pre-existing conditions should be included. There is no reason why it shouldn't.

There is a reason. A damn good reason.

The reason that if you don't pay into an insurance pool then you are getting welfare and all welfare is wrong.

You should not demand that other people pay your bills for you. It is your responsibility to pay your own. If you have not been paying into an insurance pool when you were not sick then that means somebody else must pay for you. You don't want to be greedy and have somebody else have to work to make money to give to you, do you? Because that is exactly what a stupid preexisting condition requirement means and that is despicable.

Be responsible for your own well being. Stop demanding that other people be forced to pay you bills. You don't want to be one of these filthy ass welfare queens, do you? That would be shitty, wouldn't it?

Dear Flash and busybee01
Yes and no.
If liberal Democrats/progressive Greens want collective discounts as a group,
then by all means, "health care cooperatives" can be set up where members
DO agree to pool their resources together and pay for each other's services on a sustainable basis.

I recommend this be set up through medical education and training programs to ensure there
are enough service providers to meet the needs of local populations.
I even recommend converting prison facilities and budgets into health care
screening, treatment and rehab/recovery programs so the resources can come from there.

The way the Christian health share ministries work is by sharing costs among
the members who agree to the same cost-cutting policies (such as no smoking, drinking or drug use).

If liberals believe in a more lax policy, including sex that could lead to abortion
and smoking or drug use that could lead to lung and brain damage,
the terms of membership in that collective pool would be different to cover these costs
that other groups may not agree to pay for!

Instead of saying NO to the progressive ideal of health care for all,
we should encourage advocates to set up their own health care cooperatives,
train enough workers and build enough facilities/schools, in order to meet this lofty goal and get to YES.

Give them what they want.
If they want that responsibility, then spell it out.
And require them to write up sustainable business plans
and apply for loans and grants like any other business or nonprofit seeking donations, investors and support.

The government needs to get out of the business of taking money from a person that earns it and giving it to somebody else.

That should never be a function of government. No welfare, no subsidies, no entitlements and no bailouts.

Then we need to reduce taxes. Then everybody would have more money to spend on what they chose to spend it on. That includes charity. Americans are generous for those really in need.

Liberals are only generous with using other people's money to buy voting blocks and that is not right.

Dear Flash the best way to learn to be more effective with money and resources
is to train people to run programs themselves so they learn from experience
what conservatives mean by being fiscally responsible in cutting costs.

Since liberals believe in govt run health care,
why not hold them to fund this themselves through their own party membership and platform?

Why not require them to apply for business loans, investment and MENTORSHIP
so that business people with experience (in either nonprofit, education or businesses providing medical services)
can still help teach people "through experience" the process involved in running and maintaining such programs.

give people tax break incentives for investing in developing medical school/service programs,
including how to convert prison facilities into screening, treatment and rehab centers.

It's one thing to keep preaching to liberals that these programs need to be run responsibly
like businesses that pay for themselves.

It's another thing to set up actual programs for training people how to run them responsibly so they work!

It is not my responsibility to pay your health care bills. It is your responsibility.

It is not my responsibility to train you to be fiscally responsible. That is your responsibility.

It is not my responsibility to loan you money.

I am for considerably less government expenditures and corresponding less taxes for everybody. You spend your money on what you want and I'll spend mine on what I want.

Yes Flash it is a free choice whether to invest or mentor other people or groups to learn and run on this basic premise.

What I am saying is that "in reality" if we REALLY want liberals to learn to run their own coops and pay for their own costs themselves,
realistically, this is still going to take FREE MARKET support
to organize the mentors and lenders to help walk others through
the process of setting up teaching hospitals and converting prisons
into more cost effective programs for screening and curing mental
and social ills.

the liberals are pointing out where are these services going to come from?

the govt can set up secure facilities similar to the prisons we have no trouble funding with state budgets.

but after the sites are set up, why can't the programs be modeled after nonprofits that provide services the most cost effectively?

With Habitat for Humanity, the program works by teaching people in teams how to organize the resources and labor to build houses. this is ALL VOLUNTARY, both the donations of capital and the labor. So why not apply the same toward setting up health care coops to serve every district?

all VOLUNTARY where the costs have to be covered if the services and sites are going to be provided for the applicants in need who are require to participate as well.

this is why it works. people are TAUGHT by hands on experience and the program is replicated, where each person helped then helps the next person.

busybee01 if you can understand and appreciate Carter's habitat for humanity model, and how this can be applied to setting up medical school internship programs to serve each district, I'm happy to help you pitch this idea to your local party precinct chairs, state and federal reps from the Democrat and Green parties. If you live in a state like TX or CA that has massive prison budget funding problems we can address the campaign of converting prisons into medical treatment programs for earlier diagnosis, cure and rehab. so the money the state already spends on failed prison and mental health programs can be redirected to cover universal health care without raising taxes.

what do you think of these ideas?

Pre-existing conditions should be included. There is no reason why it shouldn't.

There is a reason. A damn good reason.

The reason that if you don't pay into an insurance pool then you are getting welfare and all welfare is wrong.

You should not demand that other people pay your bills for you. It is your responsibility to pay your own. If you have not been paying into an insurance pool when you were not sick then that means somebody else must pay for you. You don't want to be greedy and have somebody else have to work to make money to give to you, do you? Because that is exactly what a stupid preexisting condition requirement means and that is despicable.

Be responsible for your own well being. Stop demanding that other people be forced to pay you bills. You don't want to be one of these filthy ass welfare queens, do you? That would be shitty, wouldn't it?

Dear Flash and busybee01
Yes and no.
If liberal Democrats/progressive Greens want collective discounts as a group,
then by all means, "health care cooperatives" can be set up where members
DO agree to pool their resources together and pay for each other's services on a sustainable basis.

I recommend this be set up through medical education and training programs to ensure there
are enough service providers to meet the needs of local populations.
I even recommend converting prison facilities and budgets into health care
screening, treatment and rehab/recovery programs so the resources can come from there.

The way the Christian health share ministries work is by sharing costs among
the members who agree to the same cost-cutting policies (such as no smoking, drinking or drug use).

If liberals believe in a more lax policy, including sex that could lead to abortion
and smoking or drug use that could lead to lung and brain damage,
the terms of membership in that collective pool would be different to cover these costs
that other groups may not agree to pay for!

Instead of saying NO to the progressive ideal of health care for all,
we should encourage advocates to set up their own health care cooperatives,
train enough workers and build enough facilities/schools, in order to meet this lofty goal and get to YES.

Give them what they want.
If they want that responsibility, then spell it out.
And require them to write up sustainable business plans
and apply for loans and grants like any other business or nonprofit seeking donations, investors and support.

The government needs to get out of the business of taking money from a person that earns it and giving it to somebody else.

That should never be a function of government. No welfare, no subsidies, no entitlements and no bailouts.

Then we need to reduce taxes. Then everybody would have more money to spend on what they chose to spend it on. That includes charity. Americans are generous for those really in need.

Liberals are only generous with using other people's money to buy voting blocks and that is not right.

Dear Flash the best way to learn to be more effective with money and resources
is to train people to run programs themselves so they learn from experience
what conservatives mean by being fiscally responsible in cutting costs.

Since liberals believe in govt run health care,
why not hold them to fund this themselves through their own party membership and platform?

Why not require them to apply for business loans, investment and MENTORSHIP
so that business people with experience (in either nonprofit, education or businesses providing medical services)
can still help teach people "through experience" the process involved in running and maintaining such programs.

give people tax break incentives for investing in developing medical school/service programs,
including how to convert prison facilities into screening, treatment and rehab centers.

It's one thing to keep preaching to liberals that these programs need to be run responsibly
like businesses that pay for themselves.

It's another thing to set up actual programs for training people how to run them responsibly so they work!

It is not my responsibility to pay your health care bills. It is your responsibility.

It is not my responsibility to train you to be fiscally responsible. That is your responsibility.

It is not my responsibility to loan you money.

I am for considerably less government expenditures and corresponding less taxes for everybody. You spend your money on what you want and I'll spend mine on what I want.

and Flash I repeat
yes, it should be by FREE CHOICE that anyone wants to choose to invest either capital or donations into any such business or nonprofit plan to provide health care services.

where govt could be involved is giving people tax breaks for investing so it is a free choice and it is deducted from taxes not added to them!

 

[Flash]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

So, what happens to those children when the become adults and this charity no longer helps them?

Do you have any clue how expensive of a disease Type-1 is to control and the massive health issue that can arise if it is not controlled?

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

Diabetes is not something that is expensive to keep in check. However insurers charged people with diabetes much higher rates as if it were expensive to treat. That means people with diabetes may find insurance too expensive to afford.

I went in for a check up a couple of years ago and the doctor told me that I was pre diabetes.

He gave me a list of things I should do . He said Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease.

I took personal responsibility and did what he told me. It was not easy but not all that hard either.

I am not diabetic now .

Other people should also take responsibility for their health and not expect me to pay their bills for them just because they are alive.

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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That is too bad. God bless. I wish him and your family well.

However, it is not my responsibility to pay his health care bills.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, what happens to those children when the become adults and this charity no longer helps them?

Do you have any clue how expensive of a disease Type-1 is to control and the massive health issue that can arise if it is not controlled?

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

Diabetes is not something that is expensive to keep in check. However insurers charged people with diabetes much higher rates as if it were expensive to treat. That means people with diabetes may find insurance too expensive to afford.

I went in for a check up a couple of years ago and the doctor told me that I was pre diabetes.

He gave me a list of things I should do . He said Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease.

I took personal responsibility and did what he told me. It was not easy but not all that hard either.

I am not diabetic now .

Other people should also take responsibility for their health and not expect me to pay their bills for them just because they are alive.

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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That is too bad. God bless. I wish him and your family well.

However, it is not my responsibility to pay his health care bills.

Never said it was. I would just like for him to have the same chances at insurance that the rest of us get


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[Flash]

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

Diabetes is not something that is expensive to keep in check. However insurers charged people with diabetes much higher rates as if it were expensive to treat. That means people with diabetes may find insurance too expensive to afford.

I went in for a check up a couple of years ago and the doctor told me that I was pre diabetes.

He gave me a list of things I should do . He said Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease.

I took personal responsibility and did what he told me. It was not easy but not all that hard either.

I am not diabetic now .

Other people should also take responsibility for their health and not expect me to pay their bills for them just because they are alive.

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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That is too bad. God bless. I wish him and your family well.

However, it is not my responsibility to pay his health care bills.

Never said it was. I would just like for him to have the same chances at insurance that the rest of us get


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If he has been paying into an insurance pool the same as the rest of us then he should be able to get his money out.

If not then he needs to find another way to pay.

Just leave me out of it.

 

[healthmyths]

Anybody demanding that they get preexisting conditions covered when they didn't pay insurance is also demanding that somebody else pay their bills.

Disgusting, in't it?

What they are asking for is reasonable rates. They are not saying they should pay nothing. Quit lying.

What's "reasonable" if you have cancer?

Insurance premium cost consist of risk rates for the pool plus adminstrative costs and a profit for the company administering the funds.

We have pretty good estimates of the number of people in pool that could get cancer or other high cost diseases and can reasonably estimate the cost to the pool.

When you have somebody come into be the pool with high cost that haven't paid in because of government mandated acceptance of pre existing conditions that drives up the cost for everybody else.

I AGREE with your statement 100% ! Now the dumb asses will complain about the "profit" issue !
These dummies don't seem to realize that the insurance companies have to have reserves for future claims otherwise the states' insurance regulators won't let them sell!
Now these reserves against future claims come from those NASTY profits...i.e. what is left after paying claims, administration,etc. profit!
I hope these dummies also understand that the so called "non-profit" insurance don't have to pay taxes! So again those evil profit making companies HAVE to pay taxes which is
deducted first from profits and then what is left is for "reserves".

I know YOU know this but these "hate capitalists" "evil profits" idiots don't seem to understand what "profits" really are used especially for building reserves!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Diabetes is not something that is expensive to keep in check. However insurers charged people with diabetes much higher rates as if it were expensive to treat. That means people with diabetes may find insurance too expensive to afford.

I went in for a check up a couple of years ago and the doctor told me that I was pre diabetes.

He gave me a list of things I should do . He said Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease.

I took personal responsibility and did what he told me. It was not easy but not all that hard either.

I am not diabetic now .

Other people should also take responsibility for their health and not expect me to pay their bills for them just because they are alive.

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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That is too bad. God bless. I wish him and your family well.

However, it is not my responsibility to pay his health care bills.

Never said it was. I would just like for him to have the same chances at insurance that the rest of us get


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If he has been paying into an insurance pool the same as the rest of us then he should be able to get his money out.

If not then he needs to find another way to pay.

Just leave me out of it.

Insurance is about more than just a pile of money that people pay into, it is also about shared risk.

Some people pay in money and never come close to using what they paid in, should they get that back when they die? Of course not.

Some people pay in money for 30 years and never come close to paying for what the spend.

Health insurance is not unlike the roads you in your city and state. You pay for them all, but you only drive on a few of them.

 

[rightwinger]

Insurance is for the unexpected...You don't wreck your car, then go to your insurance agent demanding collision coverage for your "pre-existing condition"... Either socialists won't understand this, or are just plain stupid.

That's the GIBSMEDAT! culture for you.

That is why they had mandatory coverage

 

[rightwinger]

Let em die

Right Republicans?

 

[healthmyths]

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

Diabetes is not something that is expensive to keep in check. However insurers charged people with diabetes much higher rates as if it were expensive to treat. That means people with diabetes may find insurance too expensive to afford.

I went in for a check up a couple of years ago and the doctor told me that I was pre diabetes.

He gave me a list of things I should do . He said Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease.

I took personal responsibility and did what he told me. It was not easy but not all that hard either.

I am not diabetic now .

Other people should also take responsibility for their health and not expect me to pay their bills for them just because they are alive.

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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That is too bad. God bless. I wish him and your family well.

However, it is not my responsibility to pay his health care bills.

Never said it was. I would just like for him to have the same chances at insurance that the rest of us get


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Evidently you haven't explored these options. It sounds like you can't afford his diabetic supplies so once again here is some help from the Internet!
Have you considered these groups that will help people like you that can't afford your son's diabetic supplies?

1) Prescription Assistance
Patient Assistance Programs
Most pharmaceutical companies offer financial assistance programs to persons who have trouble affording their medications and supplies.

Each program has specific criteria that must be satisfied in order for an individual to be considered eligible for a financial assistance program.

Contact Information for Pharmaceutical Companies
Abbott Laboratories
AbbVie Patient Assistance Foundation
1-800-222-6885
abbviepaf.org

AstraZeneca
AZ & Me Prescription Savings Programs
P.O. Box 15197
Wilmington, DE 19850-5197
1-800-AZandMe (1-800-292-6363)
astrazeneca-us.com

Bayer Corporation
Precose (acarbose)
Bayer HealthCare Patient Assistance Program
P.O. Box 29061
Phoenix, AZ 85038-9209
1-866-575-5002
bayerpharma.com

BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company)
BD Insulin Syringe Assist Program
1 Becton Drive
Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417
1-866-818-6906
bd.com

Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
Bristol-Myers Squibb Patient Assistance Foundation, Inc.
P.O. Box 220769
Charlotte, NC 28222-0769
1-800-736-0003
bmspaf.org

Eli Lilly and Company
Humulin (insulin)
The Lilly Cares Foundation, Inc.
1-800-545-6962
lillycares.com

GlaxoSmithKline
GSK for you
GSK Access
1-866-518-HELP
Bridges to Access
1-866-728-4368
gskforyou.com/

Medtronic Mini-Med
Insulin pumps
Pump supplies
Financial Assistance Program
1-800-MINI-MED (1-800-646-4633)
medtronicdiabetes.com/support/ordering/billing

Merck and Co., Inc.
The Merck Patient Assistance Program
One Merck Drive
P.O. Box 100
White House Station, NJ 08889-0100
1-800-727-5400
merck.com

Novartis
Novartis Patient Assistance Foundation, Inc.
1-800-277-2254
1-800-245-5356
patientassistancenow.com

Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Tresiba® (insulin degludec injection 100 U/mL, 200 U/mL)
Levemir® (insulin detemir [rDNA origin] injection)
NovoLog® (insulin aspart injection)
NovoLog® Mix 70/30 (70% insulin aspart protamine suspension and 30% insulin aspart injection, [rDNA origin])
Novolin® (human insulin [rDNA origin] injection)
GlucaGen® HypoKit® (glucagon [rDNA origin] for injection)
Victoza® (liraglutide injection 1.2 mg, 1.8 mg)
PO Box 370
Somerville, NJ 08876
1-866-310-7549
ada.cornerstones4care.com

Pfizer
Glucotrol (glipizide)
Glucotrol XL (glipizide – extended release)
Connection to Care
Pfizer Friends
Pfizer Helpful Answers
1-800-707-8990
phahelps.com

Roche Laboratories, Inc.
Genentech (part of Roche group)
Genentech Access Solutions
1 DNA Way
Mail Stop #858a
South San Francisco, CA 94080-4990
1-866-4ACCESS (1-866-422-2377)
genentech-access.com

Sanofi-Aventis Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Patient Assistance Connection
P.O. Box 222138
Charlotte, NC 28222-2138
1-888-847-4877
sanofi.us

Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America
Help at Hand
P.O. Box 5727
Louisville, KY 40255-0727
1-800-830-9159
takeda.us

• Last Reviewed: April 24, 2018
• Last Edited: May 11, 2018

 

[bripat9643]

I went in for a check up a couple of years ago and the doctor told me that I was pre diabetes.

He gave me a list of things I should do . He said Type II diabetes is a self inflicted disease.

I took personal responsibility and did what he told me. It was not easy but not all that hard either.

I am not diabetic now .

Other people should also take responsibility for their health and not expect me to pay their bills for them just because they are alive.

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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That is too bad. God bless. I wish him and your family well.

However, it is not my responsibility to pay his health care bills.

Never said it was. I would just like for him to have the same chances at insurance that the rest of us get


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

If he has been paying into an insurance pool the same as the rest of us then he should be able to get his money out.

If not then he needs to find another way to pay.

Just leave me out of it.

Insurance is about more than just a pile of money that people pay into, it is also about shared risk.

Some people pay in money and never come close to using what they paid in, should they get that back when they die? Of course not.

Some people pay in money for 30 years and never come close to paying for what the spend.

Health insurance is not unlike the roads you in your city and state. You pay for them all, but you only drive on a few of them.

No insurance company is going to allow people with preexisting conditions have a policy on the same terms as healthy people. They would go bankrupt if they did.

 

[bripat9643]

Let em die

Right Republicans?

We're sure a compassionate leftwinger like you will volunteer to pay their medical bills.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Evidently you haven't explored these options. It sounds like you can't afford his diabetic supplies so once again here is some help from the Internet!

I have no trouble affording his supplies. My concern is not for the now, it is for when he is no longer covered by my insurance.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

My son is a Type-1 diabetic because his own body attacked his pancreas and it no longer produces insulin. There is no diet in the world that can fix it. His only choice to live is to put artificial insulin into his body multiple times a day.




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That is too bad. God bless. I wish him and your family well.

However, it is not my responsibility to pay his health care bills.

Never said it was. I would just like for him to have the same chances at insurance that the rest of us get


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

If he has been paying into an insurance pool the same as the rest of us then he should be able to get his money out.

If not then he needs to find another way to pay.

Just leave me out of it.

Insurance is about more than just a pile of money that people pay into, it is also about shared risk.

Some people pay in money and never come close to using what they paid in, should they get that back when they die? Of course not.

Some people pay in money for 30 years and never come close to paying for what the spend.

Health insurance is not unlike the roads you in your city and state. You pay for them all, but you only drive on a few of them.

No insurance company is going to allow people with preexisting conditions have a policy on the same terms as healthy people. They would go bankrupt if they did.

I was told in this thread that health plans through employers cover pre-existing conditions. Why are they not all bankrupt?

 

[LeftofLeft]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

I have a solution. Take every able bodied man and woman, including illegals, off welfare and transfer those costs to cover those with pre-existing conditions.