Do gays choose to be gay? How can we refuse equal rights?

[Seawytch]

I don't believe in your "god", I do believe in what I observe around me. As far as animals are concerned, specifically mammals, "gay" is not a natural state. Homo sapiens, however, have the ability to equate sexual contact with emotional attachment (among other things), not just reproduction. In that context, what constitutes "human behavior" vs. Nature? So "god made me that way" is not an argument in my lexicon, just as "god hates a sinner" is not.

Can Animals Be Gay?

Yes.

In the course of her doctoral work, Young and a colleague discovered, almost incidentally, that a third of the pairs at Kaena Point actually consisted of two female birds, not one male and one female. Laysan albatrosses are one of countless species in which the two sexes look basically identical. It turned out that many of the female-female pairs, at Kaena Point and at a colony that Young’s colleague studied on Kauai, had been together for 4, 8 or even 19 years — as far back as the biologists’ data went, in some cases. The female-female pairs had been incubating eggs together, rearing chicks and just generally passing under everybody’s nose for what you might call “straight” couples.

How, exactly, did the female-female pairs get eggs to incubate?

Read the whole article.

 

[Seawytch]

Can Animals Be Gay?

Yes.

In the course of her doctoral work, Young and a colleague discovered, almost incidentally, that a third of the pairs at Kaena Point actually consisted of two female birds, not one male and one female. Laysan albatrosses are one of countless species in which the two sexes look basically identical. It turned out that many of the female-female pairs, at Kaena Point and at a colony that Young’s colleague studied on Kauai, had been together for 4, 8 or even 19 years — as far back as the biologists’ data went, in some cases. The female-female pairs had been incubating eggs together, rearing chicks and just generally passing under everybody’s nose for what you might call “straight” couples.

um...lol... how did the female albatrosses hatch fertile eggs if they were mated together? True, animals can be gay. In fact, in the beef cattle industry, handlers for decades now have trained countless bulls to be gay in artificial orientation. First few ejaculates with estrus hormones used near steers [castrated males] they use as dummy mounts to collect semen and they have perfectly conditioned/habituated/grafted bull that from then on becomes aroused at the site of other male cattle; steers particularly.

No, but habituation is not the same as being born that way. The epidemic found in gays of having been molested as boys is like a red checked flag. That and what ag and zoo specialists have known for centuries about grafting/imprinting/training artificial orientations in mammals across all species.

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

..In the current survey, substance use, childhood sex abuse, partner violence, and major depression emerged as interrelated issues that also are closely linked. Major depression and partner violence predicted multiple drug use and childhood sex abuse, and multiple drug use, childhood sex abuse, and partner violence were predictors of major depression

None of those things constitutes natural behavior. Every instance is induced my human manipulation. The same stands for just about every instance of "homosexual" animal behavior.

No, it doesn't. Read the article I posted, in full not just the snippet here.

 

[gallantwarrior]

The way gay people act, they see being gay as an act of rebellion. People choose to be rebellious all the time, so in my reasoning, yes, they choose to be gay.

So you could choose to not only suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life? Good to know. Are you single?

Yup!

 

[Harry Dresden]

OMG...hate and bigotry aren't logical.

really?.....so if they caught a pedophile who has molested dozens of kids.....i cant hate the guy?....i cant want to see him taken out back and shot?.....

There is a rational basis for discriminating against pedophiles.

There is no rational basis for discriminating against gays.

Get it now?

he did not specify anyone particular type did he?.....got it now?....

 

[gallantwarrior]

The way gay people act, they see being gay as an act of rebellion. People choose to be rebellious all the time, so in my reasoning, yes, they choose to be gay.

So you could choose to not only suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life? Good to know. Are you single?

You don't need to "suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life" to get your nut, if that's your preference, but it is a choice.

 

[Seawytch]

The way gay people act, they see being gay as an act of rebellion. People choose to be rebellious all the time, so in my reasoning, yes, they choose to be gay.

So you could choose to not only suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life? Good to know. Are you single?

You don't need to "suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life" to get your nut, if that's your preference, but it is a choice.

The actions are, the attractions are not.

 

[gallantwarrior]

So you could choose to not only suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life? Good to know. Are you single?

You don't need to "suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life" to get your nut, if that's your preference, but it is a choice.

The actions are, the attractions are not.

I have already offered the probability that given how homo sapiens use sexuality, homosexual behavior is a human construct and therefore arguably "natural". I have pretty extensive experience observing both domestic and wild animal behavior and consider your articles biased based on the intent of their author's desire to "prove" some normal animal behavior "homosexual" in nature. I will also consider that animals held in captivity may exhibit abnormal behavior that humans would label homosexual. Mammals in natural habitat and normal circumstances do not engage in "homosexual" sexual activity. Most, given the opportunity, will engage with and penetrate animals of the same species sexually.
Humans choose who they are attracted to based on certain preferred physical attributes, blond or brunette..fat or thin...blue eyes or brown...male or female.:

 

[Seawytch]

You don't need to "suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life" to get your nut, if that's your preference, but it is a choice.

The actions are, the attractions are not.

I have already offered the probability that given how homo sapiens use sexuality, homosexual behavior is a human construct and therefore arguably "natural". I have pretty extensive experience observing both domestic and wild animal behavior and consider your articles biased based on the intent of their author's desire to "prove" some normal animal behavior "homosexual" in nature. I will also consider that animals held in captivity may exhibit abnormal behavior that humans would label homosexual. Mammals in natural habitat and normal circumstances do not engage in "homosexual" sexual activity. Most, given the opportunity, will engage with and penetrate animals of the same species sexually.
Humans choose who they are attracted to based on certain preferred physical attributes, blond or brunette..fat or thin...blue eyes or brown...male or female.:

You don't choose the attractions. Could you choose to be sexually and emotionally attracted to a member of the same sex?

 

[deltex1]

Do gays choose to be gay? How can we refuse equal rights?


No time to care...

Pats playing Tampa Bay. Brady perfect on first drive...2 pont conversion spectacular...

Red Sox vs Yankees Yanks 7-0

Nadal vs Federer. Fed ahead

Hannity and Levin

 

[TemplarKormac]

I believe you're both wrong and it's Leviticus.

It's both.

It's OT stuff. Jesus said what?

Are you aware that with the death and resurrection of Christ, he (or God) abolished the Old Law? The Mosaic Law of the Old Testament consisted of 613 edicts and such, that if violated brought an instant death sentence. God knew that any other penalty would not make the laws stick with the Israelites. When Jesus died and rose again, he made a covenant with his people, that all the sin in the world was forgiven, paid for by his death on the cross, thus rendering such punishment moot for man. This only left the Ten Commandments for the rest of Christianity to follow from thereon.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Ephesians 2:14-15 NIV


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Matthew 19:16-19 KJV

So many people like you want to abuse the Bible, nitpicking every verse, but you don't ever want to read it in context.

 

[bodecea]

It's both.

It's OT stuff. Jesus said what?

Are you aware that with the death and resurrection of Christ, he (or God) abolished the Old Law? The Mosaic Law of the Old Testament consisted of 613 edicts and such, that if violated brought an instant death sentence. God knew that any other penalty would not make the laws stick with the Israelites. When Jesus died and rose again, he made a covenant with his people, that all the sin in the world was forgiven, paid for by his death on the cross, thus rendering such punishment moot for man. This only left the Ten Commandments for the rest of Christianity to follow from thereon.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Ephesians 2:14-15 NIV


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Matthew 19:16-19 KJV

So many people like you want to abuse the Bible, nitpicking every verse, but you don't ever want to read it in context.

Interesting...but that is not what we run our country and our country's laws based on.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's OT stuff. Jesus said what?

Are you aware that with the death and resurrection of Christ, he (or God) abolished the Old Law? The Mosaic Law of the Old Testament consisted of 613 edicts and such, that if violated brought an instant death sentence. God knew that any other penalty would not make the laws stick with the Israelites. When Jesus died and rose again, he made a covenant with his people, that all the sin in the world was forgiven, paid for by his death on the cross, thus rendering such punishment moot for man. This only left the Ten Commandments for the rest of Christianity to follow from thereon.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Ephesians 2:14-15 NIV


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Matthew 19:16-19 KJV

So many people like you want to abuse the Bible, nitpicking every verse, but you don't ever want to read it in context.

Interesting...but that is not what we run our country and our country's laws based on.

That's a non sequitur. If you can't use the Bible to justify homosexuality, you will try to use the law of men. Nice try though.

 

[LittleNipper]

The actions are, the attractions are not.

I have already offered the probability that given how homo sapiens use sexuality, homosexual behavior is a human construct and therefore arguably "natural". I have pretty extensive experience observing both domestic and wild animal behavior and consider your articles biased based on the intent of their author's desire to "prove" some normal animal behavior "homosexual" in nature. I will also consider that animals held in captivity may exhibit abnormal behavior that humans would label homosexual. Mammals in natural habitat and normal circumstances do not engage in "homosexual" sexual activity. Most, given the opportunity, will engage with and penetrate animals of the same species sexually.
Humans choose who they are attracted to based on certain preferred physical attributes, blond or brunette..fat or thin...blue eyes or brown...male or female.:

You don't choose the attractions. Could you choose to be sexually and emotionally attracted to a member of the same sex?

People can certainly CHOOSE to experiment. A person may have a feeling to do something, but there is always the human ability to think and choose to or not to perform an act.

 

[The Rabbi]

So you could choose to not only suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life? Good to know. Are you single?

You don't need to "suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life" to get your nut, if that's your preference, but it is a choice.

The actions are, the attractions are not.

Like pedophilia and other perversions.

 

[LittleNipper]

And as for God...does he make us or not? If our rights cannot be granted by the government, but instead, are "God given"....................like the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms..........and God makes us, then why is it that God made some humans to be born in a country where His rights are granted, but condemns other humans he makes to be born in places like N Korea that deny the rights that are God given by Him?

So now fudge packing is a protected 'Right' like the 2nd Amendment?? ..

I propose that gay people utilize their right to bear arms to defend their rights from people who wish to deprive them of those rights.

People have the right to do what they wish; however, people do not have to be rewarded for what they choose. We no longer have a draft in this country. So a person can enter the service or choose to remain at the home front.

 

[Meister]

Anyone see Stephen Colbert last night? They went to Vicco, Kentucky. Smallest town in KY. They have a gay mayor, and just passed a "fairness ordinance" regarding gays. The townsfolk were what you'd expect. Rural, country, deep drawl accents. But surprisingly- or not- they were mostly all in favor of it, and supportive of their mayor. One guy....who was a bit slow speaking and country, nothing wrong with that- put it so clearly and simple: "If God made 'em that way, how can the Bible say its wrong? Why'd he make 'em that way?" It was the best argument I've heard.

So, let me ask, did God make them that way? If so, how can He, or we, judge them?

Now, lets say you are gonna argue God did NOT make them that way. That they CHOSE. That would mean the rest of use CHOSE to be attracted to women, right? Wouldn't that suggest that gays and straights- like all you right wingers who oppose gay rights- have a 50/50 attraction to men/women, and you too just chose the opposite sex?

And as for God...does he make us or not? If our rights cannot be granted by the government, but instead, are "God given"....................like the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms..........and God makes us, then why is it that God made some humans to be born in a country where His rights are granted, but condemns other humans he makes to be born in places like N Korea that deny the rights that are God given by Him?

Unless you want to argue God created the world, but, then stepped away and let nature and humanity run it's course, and therefore, doesn't interfere with genetic deformities, mental illness, birth defects, OR things like a human being born with a sexual attraction to the same sex.

A friend of mine who is a lesbian was living with another lesbian for several years, when her lesbian partner came home and told her she was leaving her for a man. A year later the ex-lesbian married a male doctor.....so now I'm just confused.

 

[LittleNipper]

Anyone see Stephen Colbert last night? They went to Vicco, Kentucky. Smallest town in KY. They have a gay mayor, and just passed a "fairness ordinance" regarding gays. The townsfolk were what you'd expect. Rural, country, deep drawl accents. But surprisingly- or not- they were mostly all in favor of it, and supportive of their mayor. One guy....who was a bit slow speaking and country, nothing wrong with that- put it so clearly and simple: "If God made 'em that way, how can the Bible say its wrong? Why'd he make 'em that way?" It was the best argument I've heard.

So, let me ask, did God make them that way? If so, how can He, or we, judge them?

Now, lets say you are gonna argue God did NOT make them that way. That they CHOSE. That would mean the rest of use CHOSE to be attracted to women, right? Wouldn't that suggest that gays and straights- like all you right wingers who oppose gay rights- have a 50/50 attraction to men/women, and you too just chose the opposite sex?

And as for God...does he make us or not? If our rights cannot be granted by the government, but instead, are "God given"....................like the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms..........and God makes us, then why is it that God made some humans to be born in a country where His rights are granted, but condemns other humans he makes to be born in places like N Korea that deny the rights that are God given by Him?

Unless you want to argue God created the world, but, then stepped away and let nature and humanity run it's course, and therefore, doesn't interfere with genetic deformities, mental illness, birth defects, OR things like a human being born with a sexual attraction to the same sex.

A friend of mine who is a lesbian was living with another lesbian for several years, when her lesbian partner came home and told her she was leaving her for a man. A year later the ex-lesbian married a male doctor.....so now I'm just confused.

They were living a lifestyle. That was their choice. Now, they are living as they imagined they could not... That is another choice.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Anyone see Stephen Colbert last night? They went to Vicco, Kentucky. Smallest town in KY. They have a gay mayor, and just passed a "fairness ordinance" regarding gays. The townsfolk were what you'd expect. Rural, country, deep drawl accents. But surprisingly- or not- they were mostly all in favor of it, and supportive of their mayor. One guy....who was a bit slow speaking and country, nothing wrong with that- put it so clearly and simple: "If God made 'em that way, how can the Bible say its wrong? Why'd he make 'em that way?" It was the best argument I've heard.

So, let me ask, did God make them that way? If so, how can He, or we, judge them?

Now, lets say you are gonna argue God did NOT make them that way. That they CHOSE. That would mean the rest of use CHOSE to be attracted to women, right? Wouldn't that suggest that gays and straights- like all you right wingers who oppose gay rights- have a 50/50 attraction to men/women, and you too just chose the opposite sex?

And as for God...does he make us or not? If our rights cannot be granted by the government, but instead, are "God given"....................like the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms..........and God makes us, then why is it that God made some humans to be born in a country where His rights are granted, but condemns other humans he makes to be born in places like N Korea that deny the rights that are God given by Him?

Unless you want to argue God created the world, but, then stepped away and let nature and humanity run it's course, and therefore, doesn't interfere with genetic deformities, mental illness, birth defects, OR things like a human being born with a sexual attraction to the same sex.

A friend of mine who is a lesbian was living with another lesbian for several years, when her lesbian partner came home and told her she was leaving her for a man. A year later the ex-lesbian married a male doctor.....so now I'm just confused.

If you’re so easily confused then perhaps you should simply not concern yourself with it, and allow Americans to conduct their private lives as they see fit, free from interference by the state.

 

[Seawytch]

It's both.

It's OT stuff. Jesus said what?

Are you aware that with the death and resurrection of Christ, he (or God) abolished the Old Law? The Mosaic Law of the Old Testament consisted of 613 edicts and such, that if violated brought an instant death sentence. God knew that any other penalty would not make the laws stick with the Israelites. When Jesus died and rose again, he made a covenant with his people, that all the sin in the world was forgiven, paid for by his death on the cross, thus rendering such punishment moot for man. This only left the Ten Commandments for the rest of Christianity to follow from thereon.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Ephesians 2:14-15 NIV


16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Matthew 19:16-19 KJV

So many people like you want to abuse the Bible, nitpicking every verse, but you don't ever want to read it in context.

Thumpers seem to want to have it both ways. When folks bring up OT stuff like slavery, stoning adulterers, not wearing clothing of mixed cloth, eating shellfish and burning witches they say "Jahesus changed all that", but when it come to "the gheys", they pick and choose the parts they like from the OT. Diners at the Bible Buffet!

 

[Seawytch]

You don't need to "suck another guy's dick, but also kiss him passionately, and swear to honor and cherish him for life" to get your nut, if that's your preference, but it is a choice.

The actions are, the attractions are not.

Like pedophilia and other perversions.

Only the insane would equate pedophilia with consenting adults.