Do we agree that a fundamental difference between the right and the left is...

[daveman]

Poor Castro. So misunderstood. Cuba would have been a paradise if the US hadn't interfered.

We'll never know. Because you did.

You wept bitterly when the Wall came down, didn't you?

No.

Uh huh.

 

[daveman]

I'm more willing to believe the Danish than I am a random internet Commie.

But then, you're the guy who said you know more about Marxism than Marx.

You're dismissed.

So that fact that the US has put sanctions on Venezuela's major export earner because the US spat the dummy like a little baby, has no bearing at all on the economy of Venezuela? Is that the Snake Oil you are selling today? Surely you're not that stupid...

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
​

But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

 

[daveman]

I'm more willing to believe the Danish than I am a random internet Commie.

But then, you're the guy who said you know more about Marxism than Marx.

You're dismissed.

Look at your link it's not the Danish it's one guy in some think tank. Who gives a damn but brainwashed functional morons?

And Marx was wrong about just about everything, so that isn't hard to do dingbat...

Marxism is great, if done right.
Marx was just doing Marxism wrong!

Wait, what?

Nobody said Marxism is great or communism is great. Those are the first two definitions of socialism, until in both cases it was found that democracy was missing. Now and 4 years socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net and everybody knows it but Republican brainwashed functional moron voters.... Marx thought it would take place in heavily industrialized countries like England. But instead it happened in a feudal autocracy. Socialism was always supposed to be democratic. It just took a while to find out that the Soviet Union and its Soviets were not Democratic at all LOL. Sorry about my masters in history....

Sorry about my masters in history.


I laugh

You and AOC should open up a school for Alternative Learing.

yes yes, super duper, every respected journalist, media and law enforcement in the world is wrong. Only your bought off ex cokehead DJs and scumbag GOP billionaires know the truth LOL.... Poor America aaarrrggghhh...

Appeal to Authority fallacy.

 

[daveman]

Marxism is great, if done right.
Marx was just doing Marxism wrong!

Wait, what?

Nobody said Marxism is great or communism is great. Those are the first two definitions of socialism, until in both cases it was found that democracy was missing. Now and 4 years socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net and everybody knows it but Republican brainwashed functional moron voters.... Marx thought it would take place in heavily industrialized countries like England. But instead it happened in a feudal autocracy. Socialism was always supposed to be democratic. It just took a while to find out that the Soviet Union and its Soviets were not Democratic at all LOL. Sorry about my masters in history....

Yeah it sure is fair when someone who is working his ass off to make a living for his own family, then has money taken out of his paycheck and given to some bitch who cant keep her legs closed and must feed her illegitimate brats....

Socialism Didn’t Work at Plymouth Plantation, Either

“In one common telling,” Zernike writes, “the pilgrims who came to Plymouth established a communal system, where all had to pool whatever they hunted or grew on their lands. Because they could not reap the fruits of their labors, no one had any incentive to work, and the system failed—confusion, thievery and famine ensued.”

Well thank God for ObamaCare which gives free birth control to the poor and cuts abortion rates 40% immediately.... Actually much better than free because it means we stopped lives of welfare for mothers....except greedy idiot scumbag red states of course who don't get expanded medicaid....

The GOP has been in charge of tax rates the last 35 years, a huge giveaway to the rich and a screw job for everyone else and our infrastructure. Only your alternate scumbag GOP universe makes this possible.... I know a tax cut for the rich and giant corporations!! How dumb can you get? Whoops brainwashed functionally dumb.... The GOP is the swamp, for crying out loud LOL. Cutting intelligent regulation under the GOP has given us a corrupt bubble and bust every time. Wake up and smell the coffee. S&l crisis, W Bush's corrupt real estate bubble and World depression, the corrupt GOP World depression of 1929, and whatever they're up to under Trump LOL aaarrrggghhh....and you brain-washed functional morons don't know about any of that, just the biggest stories of the last century...

Yeah, thanks Obama for making the rest of the country pay MORE for a shit system. It is all about wording, all the poor had to do was go to a local clinic and receive services, but hey, it wasn't the same as a working person, so punish them so they too now have to use the poor clinic. Fuck you liberals, fairness isn't making the poor better, it is make everyone poor and miserable, then everyone is equal. Just some liberals are more equal than others, like Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Bill Clinton....

Funny how 75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month for healthcare for a change... ACA is a beautiful framework to make our Healthcare work for a change. If you have a problem fix it, and the problem is the ridiculous cost of healthcare after having a GOP scam cut off system forever.... The GOP will never do a damn thing except a giveaway to Big Pharma big health whatever. Wake up and smell the coffee. Our Health Care system costs 18% of GDP while every other modern country pays about 9 to 11% and get much better care on average. But we in the richest country in the world can't afford it. Total garbage propaganda, super duper.

Is there nothing you say that isn't completely wrong?

Not so far.

HHS REPORT: Average Health Insurance Premiums Doubled Since 2013

And that's Obama's HHS, so you can't blame it on Trump or Fox News or any of your other boogeymen.

 

[Dr Grump]

Almost all the central and south American countries were exactly that. All had a raft of tinpot dictators where inflation was rife and 1% of the population had 99.9% of the wealth.

And that's why I prefer less government than more government. When people are free, they tend to be productive and prosperous.

Well, 99 per cent are productive while 1% reap the rewards...And I think you might want to reread what I just said. If you are agreeing with my analogy you are saying you want 1% of US citizens to be uber rich while the rest live in poverty. You think that is a good society?? Hmmm..

 

[Dr Grump]

So that fact that the US has put sanctions on Venezuela's major export earner because the US spat the dummy like a little baby, has no bearing at all on the economy of Venezuela? Is that the Snake Oil you are selling today? Surely you're not that stupid...

Can you cite the specific sanctions and why they were imposed?

International sanctions during the Venezuelan crisis - Wikipedia

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't live in the US. And your Constitution is an okay document at best...for all the good it does you...

Where do you live and what's your nationality?

Live in Australia
New Zealander

 

[Dr Grump]

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
​

But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

As is what always happens with sanctions, the 'socialists' who run Venezuela don't feel the full effects. The poor do. US is just the local bully boy. Nothing new there. Ask Cuba.

 

[francoHFW]

I'm more willing to believe the Danish than I am a random internet Commie.

But then, you're the guy who said you know more about Marxism than Marx.

You're dismissed.

So that fact that the US has put sanctions on Venezuela's major export earner because the US spat the dummy like a little baby, has no bearing at all on the economy of Venezuela? Is that the Snake Oil you are selling today? Surely you're not that stupid...

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
​

But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

We had sanctions against them going back to the beginning of George W bush and covert garbage too. Now they can't sell their oil basically at all. To blame socialism is ridiculous.

 

[francoHFW]

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
​

But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

As is what always happens with sanctions, the 'socialists' who run Venezuela don't feel the full effects. The poor do. US is just the local bully boy. Nothing new there. Ask Cuba.

Had to go out of my life Honduras Mexico Colombia Dominican Republic Haiti Bolivia Chile Brazil LOL etc etc. At any rate Hugo Chavez cut illiteracy by 90% and homelessness by 75% or something. and they continue to do everything constitutionally at least until recently.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Funny how 75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month for healthcare for a change... ACA is a beautiful framework to make our Healthcare work for a change. If you have a problem fix it, and the problem is the ridiculous cost of healthcare after having a GOP scam cut off system forever.... The GOP will never do a damn thing except a giveaway to Big Pharma big health whatever. Wake up and smell the coffee. Our Health Care system costs 18% of GDP while every other modern country pays about 9 to 11% and get much better care on average. But we in the richest country in the world can't afford it. Total garbage propaganda, super duper.

I notice that you say shit without putting up any links. Try again, you worthless sociopath.

There is something radically wrong with that one.

Yes I am well informed unlike you Chumps of the greedy idiot rich, trolls.

So you are informed by the stupid liberal poor. Why is it greed to keeps ones own money, but not greed to take it away from that person and give it to someone else...

everyone in the modern world but you brainwashed functional morons know you have to tax the rich their fair share or else you got the worst inequality and upward mobility in the world like we have now. And it just keeps getting worse. And then Amazon what is the story. 35% of small businesses are going out of business because of Amazon and Amazon doesn't pay any taxes? Big oil big Pharma big Pharma are getting away with murder still. We need to go after their costs. And the ACA is a perfect framework for it. This ACA is the Republican plan they always say they want to do. But somehow never do anyting.... like everything else another phony issue. Phony scandals phony issues they aren't doing anything for anybody but the rich.

to tax the rich their fair share or else you got the worst inequality and upward mobility in the world like we have now

Hey dick for brains, did Oprah or Morgan Freeman have the worst inequality or upward mobility? I used to pity people like you, then I realized how stupid you are. I don't pity fools.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
​

But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

As is what always happens with sanctions, the 'socialists' who run Venezuela don't feel the full effects. The poor do. US is just the local bully boy. Nothing new there. Ask Cuba.

Had to go out of my life Honduras Mexico Colombia Dominican Republic Haiti Bolivia Chile Brazil LOL etc etc. At any rate Hugo Chavez cut illiteracy by 90% and homelessness by 75% or something. and they continue to do everything constitutionally at least until recently.

Yeah, Hugo killed a lot of his people. That definitely will impact the stupid.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I'm more willing to believe the Danish than I am a random internet Commie.

But then, you're the guy who said you know more about Marxism than Marx.

You're dismissed.

So that fact that the US has put sanctions on Venezuela's major export earner because the US spat the dummy like a little baby, has no bearing at all on the economy of Venezuela? Is that the Snake Oil you are selling today? Surely you're not that stupid...

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
​

But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

We had sanctions against them going back to the beginning of George W bush and covert garbage too. Now they can't sell their oil basically at all. To blame socialism is ridiculous.

they cant sell their oil, because Hugo chases out the people who could safely bring it up out of the ground. Seems pretty hypocritical that you would want people to pollute the world with CO2 and make themselves rich. Oh, as long as it isn't US citizens doing it, then it is okay, fuck the rest of US...got it.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Almost all the central and south American countries were exactly that. All had a raft of tinpot dictators where inflation was rife and 1% of the population had 99.9% of the wealth.

And that's why I prefer less government than more government. When people are free, they tend to be productive and prosperous.

Well, 99 per cent are productive while 1% reap the rewards...And I think you might want to reread what I just said. If you are agreeing with my analogy you are saying you want 1% of US citizens to be uber rich while the rest live in poverty. You think that is a good society?? Hmmm..

So Morgan Freeman and Oprah are bad?

 

[Dr Grump]

Almost all the central and south American countries were exactly that. All had a raft of tinpot dictators where inflation was rife and 1% of the population had 99.9% of the wealth.

And that's why I prefer less government than more government. When people are free, they tend to be productive and prosperous.

Well, 99 per cent are productive while 1% reap the rewards...And I think you might want to reread what I just said. If you are agreeing with my analogy you are saying you want 1% of US citizens to be uber rich while the rest live in poverty. You think that is a good society?? Hmmm..

So Morgan Freeman and Oprah are bad?

Apples and oranges...
I don't have an issue with a person making a buck.
I think you need to reread my post...

 

[beagle9]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

If Trump is an example of right wing ideology…running up trillion+ yearly debts is hardly helps your “argument”

Moreover the fundamental difference between the left and right is integrity and intelligence: The average liberal has both. The average Blob Supporter does not.

If you’re the average Trump supporter you believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton have murdered dozens of people over the years. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that there is this cabal of unelected people in HIS government that are constantly plotting against him and that he is powerless to stop it. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that poor old Donald is not corrupt in any way and is infallible in every way. And it even gets worse when you leave intelligence alone and look at basic integrity. Didn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be against deficit spending? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be for traditional family values? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to believe in free trade? Again what happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to feel that the use of executive orders was not the proper way to govern? What happened?

What happened ? The radical left happened.

It forced conservatives to abandon those traditional things in regards to a war the left had begun against those very things over time. Fundemental change remember ?

 

[jillian]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

It’s even simpler than that....
It’s work for your shit vs. Beg for your shit
Connect the dots from there.

That isn’t the equation — which you might know if you weren’t a life failure. The equation is do we have a middle class or only a huge worker class and a teeny wealthy class. Like we used to before the middle class was protected by the new deal.

jeeze you people are the stupidest people on the planet

 

[jillian]

Almost all the central and south American countries were exactly that. All had a raft of tinpot dictators where inflation was rife and 1% of the population had 99.9% of the wealth.

And that's why I prefer less government than more government. When people are free, they tend to be productive and prosperous.

Well, 99 per cent are productive while 1% reap the rewards...And I think you might want to reread what I just said. If you are agreeing with my analogy you are saying you want 1% of US citizens to be uber rich while the rest live in poverty. You think that is a good society?? Hmmm..

So Morgan Freeman and Oprah are bad?

Apples and oranges...
I don't have an issue with a person making a buck.
I think you need to reread my post...

That would require that the cultists actually read

 

[candycorn]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

If Trump is an example of right wing ideology…running up trillion+ yearly debts is hardly helps your “argument”

Moreover the fundamental difference between the left and right is integrity and intelligence: The average liberal has both. The average Blob Supporter does not.

If you’re the average Trump supporter you believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton have murdered dozens of people over the years. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that there is this cabal of unelected people in HIS government that are constantly plotting against him and that he is powerless to stop it. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that poor old Donald is not corrupt in any way and is infallible in every way. And it even gets worse when you leave intelligence alone and look at basic integrity. Didn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be against deficit spending? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be for traditional family values? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to believe in free trade? Again what happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to feel that the use of executive orders was not the proper way to govern? What happened?

What happened ? The radical left happened.

It forced conservatives to abandon those traditional things in regards to a war the left had begun against those very things over time. Fundemental change remember ?

good to see your convictions were so weak

 

[beagle9]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

If Trump is an example of right wing ideology…running up trillion+ yearly debts is hardly helps your “argument”

Moreover the fundamental difference between the left and right is integrity and intelligence: The average liberal has both. The average Blob Supporter does not.

If you’re the average Trump supporter you believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton have murdered dozens of people over the years. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that there is this cabal of unelected people in HIS government that are constantly plotting against him and that he is powerless to stop it. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that poor old Donald is not corrupt in any way and is infallible in every way. And it even gets worse when you leave intelligence alone and look at basic integrity. Didn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be against deficit spending? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be for traditional family values? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to believe in free trade? Again what happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to feel that the use of executive orders was not the proper way to govern? What happened?

What happened ? The radical left happened.

It forced conservatives to abandon those traditional things in regards to a war the left had begun against those very things over time. Fundemental change remember ?

good to see your convictions were so weak

Abandonment as in to recreate under new rules that make it harder for the left to exploit such things as easy as they had done before the war.