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Do you think that some things/people are inherently evil, that all of us may have the seed of evil within us?
Objectively/empirically, no. As a word used to relate to an action, yes.
Empirically, there is no good or evil, only actions and consequences. The good or evil is relative. As with the differentiating between a soldier killing in a war, and a terrorist killing while not a solider or in a war. Identical action, different terminology though. So one might be said to be good (if the soldier's on 'your side') while the other's said to be 'evil' if the terrorist isn't on your side. But the relativity is demonstrated by how 'our side' is always the 'good guys,' and 'their side' is always the bad guys. Terrorists aren't gunning each other down haphazardly because from their pov they're the 'good guys.' And we're the bad guys.
God's another example. People who believe in God say he's 'good.' But if you or I wiped out every living thing in a city, or the whole world we'd probably be called 'evil.' Same action, same consequence, but different definition. That's the relative nature and why neither term is objectively sound.
How do you explain the fact that ISIL is killing people who they claim worship the devil under your though patterns that evil does not exist? Why do you prefer to live in a world that denies facts?
Judaism teaches we can be good sometimes or evil we have the choice. There is No concept in Judaism of original sin. Another thing to take into account is mental illness as persons driving force of destruction , thus what we call evil
Judaism and mental illness----more man made concepts.
The moral decay of a society is inevitable when evil becomes acceptable while what is morally right and pure becomes intolerable.
-Jeri
The moral decay of a society is inevitable when evil becomes acceptable while what is morally right and pure becomes intolerable.
-Jeri
Societies have come and go for thousands of years----change is inevitable.
The moral decay of a society is inevitable when evil becomes acceptable while what is morally right and pure becomes intolerable.
-Jeri
Societies have come and go for thousands of years----change is inevitable.
Israel has been restored and she has a history going back 4,000 years so that is not always the case, Dilloduck. Besides.... there's always a "remnant". America is no different.
Do you think that some things/people are inherently evil, that all of us may have the seed of evil within us?
I don't believe in evil. I believe in mental illness.
We live in a dual world, Light and darkness, day an night and yes... good an evil.
Plato, the Greek philosopher said - "There must always remain something that is antagonistic to good."
But, at the end of the day and the winner in this battle of duality, will always be Light or Good or God...call It what you like.
And so finally...to answer the question, yes of course, no doubt there is evil in this world.
To deny this fact would be stupid.
I LOVE THIS SCRIPTURE===10 And the devil who had deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10
Oh jeez.
"... tormented day and night, for ever and ever ..."
That's the very definition of evil.
Objectively/empirically, no. As a word used to relate to an action, yes.
Empirically, there is no good or evil, only actions and consequences. The good or evil is relative. As with the differentiating between a soldier killing in a war, and a terrorist killing while not a solider or in a war. Identical action, different terminology though. So one might be said to be good (if the soldier's on 'your side') while the other's said to be 'evil' if the terrorist isn't on your side. But the relativity is demonstrated by how 'our side' is always the 'good guys,' and 'their side' is always the bad guys. Terrorists aren't gunning each other down haphazardly because from their pov they're the 'good guys.' And we're the bad guys.
God's another example. People who believe in God say he's 'good.' But if you or I wiped out every living thing in a city, or the whole world we'd probably be called 'evil.' Same action, same consequence, but different definition. That's the relative nature and why neither term is objectively sound.
How do you explain the fact that ISIL is killing people who they claim worship the devil under your though patterns that evil does not exist? Why do you prefer to live in a world that denies facts?
There have always been groups who used their own beliefs as an excuse to kill - including the United States.
"Evil" is in the eye of the believer.
They believe we are evil and we believe they are.
Judaism teaches we can be good sometimes or evil we have the choice. There is No concept in Judaism of original sin. Another thing to take into account is mental illness as persons driving force of destruction , thus what we call evil
Judaism and mental illness----more man made concepts.
Not just Judaism. All religion.
And mental illness or health is simply a measurement of what the society finds to be acceptable behavior.
Good and Evil are subjective delusions that do not exist.
However...
Such delusions have their uses.
Really?
How do you explain ISIL? Are we all being deluded into thinking that what they are doing is evil? Do you honestly think an organization that keeps women as slaves because they are have different beliefs are moral in some way? If so, I would be happy to buy you a ticket so you could fly over and explain your concept of good and evil being fictions of the imagination to them. I am sure that they, not actually being evil, will be happy to accept your religious beliefs with open arms.
How do you explain the fact that ISIL is killing people who they claim worship the devil under your though patterns that evil does not exist? Why do you prefer to live in a world that denies facts?
There have always been groups who used their own beliefs as an excuse to kill - including the United States.
"Evil" is in the eye of the believer.
They believe we are evil and we believe they are.
Evil is not in the eye of the believer, it is an objective fact. Hitler was evil, so was the Khmer Rouge. Evil is something that exists, and pretending it doesn't leaves you sitting around waiting for someone to chop your head off because they are evil, and you want to pretend that they can learn to live with you if you just say the right thing.
Good and Evil are subjective delusions that do not exist.
However...
Such delusions have their uses.
Really?
How do you explain ISIL? Are we all being deluded into thinking that what they are doing is evil? Do you honestly think an organization that keeps women as slaves because they are have different beliefs are moral in some way? If so, I would be happy to buy you a ticket so you could fly over and explain your concept of good and evil being fictions of the imagination to them. I am sure that they, not actually being evil, will be happy to accept your religious beliefs with open arms.
Good and Evil are subjective delusions that do not exist.
However...
Such delusions have their uses.
Really?
How do you explain ISIL? Are we all being deluded into thinking that what they are doing is evil? Do you honestly think an organization that keeps women as slaves because they are have different beliefs are moral in some way? If so, I would be happy to buy you a ticket so you could fly over and explain your concept of good and evil being fictions of the imagination to them. I am sure that they, not actually being evil, will be happy to accept your religious beliefs with open arms.
Always in black in white with you humans it must be. Always must it be "good" or "evil".
ISIL is not "evil". It is a group of people that does things that them or other humans might perceive to be "good" or "evil." None of them are incapable of doing the things that you people perceive to be "good." In reality, none of their alleged "evil" actions are objectively "evil", only subjectively "evil" based upon your delusions of morality.
The act of keeping women, or any humans, as slaves is not "evil"... but it can be perceived to be "evil" by someone who's moral perspective deems it so.
I do not feel the need to have my "religious beliefs" accepted by anyone. If I were to respectfully and privately engage in intelligent discussion with the wisest of ISIL's leaders, I'm sure that they would agr that "good" and "evil" do not exist, but that they are necessary delusions for the masses.
If ISIL attempted to impose their religion on me, I would gladly open my mind to what I could learn from Islam. I already find it to be a beautiful religion, and I already worship the same God, and believe in the same Angels and Djinn. The only difference really is the laws, rituals, and some slightly different "perspectives".
Why would I allow myself to be "converted"?
Because to truly understand a religion, one cannot look at it from the outside-in, but from the inside-out.
In the O9A, we call this "insight roles".
When we truly study a religion, we "convert" to it fully to learn all that we can from it... even that which goes against what we feel is our Nature. Through willpower, that religion's God(s) and laws and and Weltanschauung and belief system becomes your reality... for as long as necessary to extract and absorb as much wisdom, power, and experience from it as possible.
In Chaos Magick, it is called "paradigm shifts" although that usually refers to briefly accepting the Weltanschauung and/ or pantheon and belief systems of a religion for a specific ritual or working, using an extreme amount of willpower to convince yourself to believe in it fully... and then reverting back to your previous beliefs/ religion/ spirituality/ Weltanschauung when the ritual or working is over.
If one seeks to explore the use of paradigm shifts, it is best to have first truly enlightened yourself to that particular religion from the inside-out through the masterful use of insight roles.
An insight role or a paradigm shift is similar to a "split personality", and from a certain perspective... it can be just that. Except it is controlled through Willpower.
And once you have become familiar with insight roles and paradigm shifts, and have absorbed enough knowlege and wisdom about the forces Above, Below and Within... then one can truly begin to explore such things as Spiritual Invocation aka Spiritual "Possession".
I do not care if people consider my spiritual practices "morally" acceptable. I do not strive to be what others consider to be "good". I do not strive to be what others consider to be "evil". I strive only to follow my own True Will while seeking guidance along the way from what I perceive to be the forces Above and Below and Within.
There have always been groups who used their own beliefs as an excuse to kill - including the United States.
"Evil" is in the eye of the believer.
They believe we are evil and we believe they are.
Evil is not in the eye of the believer, it is an objective fact. Hitler was evil, so was the Khmer Rouge. Evil is something that exists, and pretending it doesn't leaves you sitting around waiting for someone to chop your head off because they are evil, and you want to pretend that they can learn to live with you if you just say the right thing.
But they did not see themselves as evil.
That's my point - it really is in the eye of the beholder.
Another example - Somali pirates. We think they're nothing more than the worst kind of criminal but, if every way to make an honest living was taken away from you, what would you be willing to do to feed your family?
10 Things You Didn't Know About Somali Pirates - WSJ
