Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

[danielpalos]

why plead so specially, right wingers.

Why please so ignorantly, left-wingers?

there is no general warfare clause only a general welfare clause.

 

[P@triot]

there is no general warfare clause only a general welfare clause.

Defense requires "warfare" snowflake. So sad you don't know the basic definition of basic words. But...typical of your side of the aisle.

Now piss off, troll.

 

[danielpalos]

there is no general warfare clause only a general welfare clause.

Defense requires "warfare" snowflake. So sad you don't know the basic definition of basic words. But...typical of your side of the aisle.

Now piss off, troll.

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

 

[P@triot]

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

Defense is the #1 responsibility of the federal government in the U.S. Constitution. Piss off, troll.

 

[Rigby5]

there is no general warfare clause only a general welfare clause.

Defense requires "warfare" snowflake. So sad you don't know the basic definition of basic words. But...typical of your side of the aisle.

Now piss off, troll.

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

The clause about war goes like this:
{...
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the power to declare war, in the following wording:

[The Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

...}

But I would not call this a general warfare clause or defense clause.
That is because constitutional clauses are typically not supposed to be general, but very specific, and defense does not require anything, since it is under emergency powers.
Which are the following:

{...
The United States Constitution explicitly provides some emergency powers:

• Congress may authorize the government to call forth the militia to execute the laws, suppress an insurrection or repel an invasion.
• Congress may authorize the government to suspend consideration of writs of habeas corpus "when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
• Felony charges may be brought without presentment or grand jury indictment in cases arising "in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger."
• A state government may engage in war without Congress's approval if "actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

...}

 

[danielpalos]

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

Defense is the #1 responsibility of the federal government in the U.S. Constitution. Piss off, troll.

we have a Common defense clause not a General defense clause. we have to hand everyone a check before your right wing fantasy should come true.

 

[danielpalos]

there is no general warfare clause only a general welfare clause.

Defense requires "warfare" snowflake. So sad you don't know the basic definition of basic words. But...typical of your side of the aisle.

Now piss off, troll.

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

The clause about war goes like this:
{...
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the power to declare war, in the following wording:

[The Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

...}

But I would not call this a general warfare clause or defense clause.
That is because constitutional clauses are typically not supposed to be general, but very specific, and defense does not require anything, since it is under emergency powers.
Which are the following:

{...
The United States Constitution explicitly provides some emergency powers:

• Congress may authorize the government to call forth the militia to execute the laws, suppress an insurrection or repel an invasion.
• Congress may authorize the government to suspend consideration of writs of habeas corpus "when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
• Felony charges may be brought without presentment or grand jury indictment in cases arising "in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger."
• A state government may engage in war without Congress's approval if "actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

...}

our defense clause is Common not General.

Our welfare clause is General and we have an express Commerce Clause.

 

[Rigby5]

there is no general warfare clause only a general welfare clause.

Defense requires "warfare" snowflake. So sad you don't know the basic definition of basic words. But...typical of your side of the aisle.

Now piss off, troll.

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

The clause about war goes like this:
{...
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the power to declare war, in the following wording:

[The Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

...}

But I would not call this a general warfare clause or defense clause.
That is because constitutional clauses are typically not supposed to be general, but very specific, and defense does not require anything, since it is under emergency powers.
Which are the following:

{...
The United States Constitution explicitly provides some emergency powers:

• Congress may authorize the government to call forth the militia to execute the laws, suppress an insurrection or repel an invasion.
• Congress may authorize the government to suspend consideration of writs of habeas corpus "when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
• Felony charges may be brought without presentment or grand jury indictment in cases arising "in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger."
• A state government may engage in war without Congress's approval if "actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

...}

our defense clause is Common not General.

Our welfare clause is General and we have an express Commerce Clause.

Actually there is no clause in the Constituation about common defense, that is just briefly mentioned in the preamble.

{...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
...}

I would not say the preamble could be used in a court of law in order to justify something.

 

[P@triot]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go?

Hey Billy000 - you ever notice how leftist nuts never talk about any limits on government? Why is that?

 

[pismoe]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go?

Hey Billy000 - you ever notice how leftist nuts never talk about any limits on government? Why is that?

------------------------------------------ I think that 'government' is GOD to many liberals , many people Patriot .

 

[Markle]

Actually there is no clause in the Constituation about common defense, that is just briefly mentioned in the preamble.

{...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
...}

I would not say the preamble could be used in a court of law in order to justify something.

Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--''I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.''

 

[The Purge]

The Second Amendment is the PROTECTOR of all our other Amendments. ...without it we become Nazi Germany with Liberals/socialists/Communists controlling ALL our rights!

 

[Rigby5]

Actually there is no clause in the Constituation about common defense, that is just briefly mentioned in the preamble.

{...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
...}

I would not say the preamble could be used in a court of law in order to justify something.

Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--''I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.''

Ok, I have a feeling a I was not totally following the discussion far enough back.
No argument from me.

 

[danielpalos]

there is no general warfare clause only a general welfare clause.

Defense requires "warfare" snowflake. So sad you don't know the basic definition of basic words. But...typical of your side of the aisle.

Now piss off, troll.

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

The clause about war goes like this:
{...
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the power to declare war, in the following wording:

[The Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

...}

But I would not call this a general warfare clause or defense clause.
That is because constitutional clauses are typically not supposed to be general, but very specific, and defense does not require anything, since it is under emergency powers.
Which are the following:

{...
The United States Constitution explicitly provides some emergency powers:

• Congress may authorize the government to call forth the militia to execute the laws, suppress an insurrection or repel an invasion.
• Congress may authorize the government to suspend consideration of writs of habeas corpus "when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
• Felony charges may be brought without presentment or grand jury indictment in cases arising "in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger."
• A state government may engage in war without Congress's approval if "actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

...}

our defense clause is Common not General.

Our welfare clause is General and we have an express Commerce Clause.

Actually there is no clause in the Constituation about common defense, that is just briefly mentioned in the preamble.

{...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
...}

I would not say the preamble could be used in a court of law in order to justify something.

I have read our Constitution.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

 

[danielpalos]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go?

Hey Billy000 - you ever notice how leftist nuts never talk about any limits on government? Why is that?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

 

[danielpalos]

The Second Amendment is the PROTECTOR of all our other Amendments. ...without it we become Nazi Germany with Liberals/socialists/Communists controlling ALL our rights!

You have a First Amendment.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

1. The Federal Government already has strict requirements on fully automatic weapons and it will never be removed.

2. You can require your State to pass the laws you want by electing officials in that support your no guns for anyone rule but the USSC might find that unconstitutional.

3. How many more laws do you need to understand that criminals never obey?

4. You do know two shootings in Florida could have been prevented had Federal and State agencies had done their job!?!

 

[2aguy]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

We already have all the limits we need to control criminals who use guns illegally....the problem that we have is that we have a political party, the left wing democrat party, that see criminals as victims of racism, rather than perpetrators of violent crime...so they allow them to get out on bail, even when they use guns for crimes, and then they reduce their prison sentences even if they have long records of violent gun crime.....and these criminals released by democrat judges, politicians and prosecutors go on to get more illegal guns and use them to shoot other criminals and innocent bystanders in 10 block areas of our democrat controlled cities.....

If we could get the democrat party to stop releasing violent gun criminals from jail and prison, we would have a lower gun murder rate....that is our problem, not John and Jane Q. citizen owning and carrying a gun for self defense.....

 

[Rigby5]

Defense requires "warfare" snowflake. So sad you don't know the basic definition of basic words. But...typical of your side of the aisle.

Now piss off, troll.

we don't have a general defense clause, Troll.

The clause about war goes like this:
{...
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the power to declare war, in the following wording:

[The Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

...}

But I would not call this a general warfare clause or defense clause.
That is because constitutional clauses are typically not supposed to be general, but very specific, and defense does not require anything, since it is under emergency powers.
Which are the following:

{...
The United States Constitution explicitly provides some emergency powers:

• Congress may authorize the government to call forth the militia to execute the laws, suppress an insurrection or repel an invasion.
• Congress may authorize the government to suspend consideration of writs of habeas corpus "when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
• Felony charges may be brought without presentment or grand jury indictment in cases arising "in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger."
• A state government may engage in war without Congress's approval if "actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

...}

our defense clause is Common not General.

Our welfare clause is General and we have an express Commerce Clause.

Actually there is no clause in the Constituation about common defense, that is just briefly mentioned in the preamble.

{...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
...}

I would not say the preamble could be used in a court of law in order to justify something.

I have read our Constitution.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

I see, the term "gerneral" does not need to be a quote but a description of generic duties and means.

Although whenever I get into a constitutional discussion, it always hits me that the federal War on Drugs, federal gun control, executive undeclared wars, etc., are totally illegal.

 

[Rigby5]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go?

Hey Billy000 - you ever notice how leftist nuts never talk about any limits on government? Why is that?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Which does not at all extend to things like drugs of weapons, because they are not external invasions or threats, but decisions about how we want to run our society and how we want to live. And all those types of decisions have to be local and never federal.