Does anyone seriously believe Jesus would celebrate Christmas if he could return?

[Avatar4321]

Excessive commercialism that has nothing to do with the supposed reason for a celebration? I doubt it. Is there any indication that he celebrated his birthday before his crucifixion?

Whatever.

I don't see any evidence of Him celebrating ANY of His birthdays.

So what?

He either had a birthday celebration once in a while or He didn't.

Doesn't matter whether he did or not. How many people do you think REALLY celebrate his birthday at Christmas? It's a selfish holiday, it should be called Give Giving For The Hell of It Day.

So because some people don't celebrate Christmas as it was meant to be, none of us should? Christmas is what we make of it. I think it's important to celebrate the Saviors life. If you don't want to celebrate it, or if you want to celebrate it in some other way, please feel free.

 

[Avatar4321]

Okay then, you think my comments are irrelevant, I think the holiday is a farce. To each, their own. It is fun to celebrate, party on.

It's only a farce if that's what you let it be to you. If you instead celebrate the meaning of the season, and do good to others, then what's wrong with it?

 

[hobelim]

Okay then, you think my comments are irrelevant, I think the holiday is a farce. To each, their own. It is fun to celebrate, party on.

It's only a farce if that's what you let it be to you. If you instead celebrate the meaning of the season, and do good to others, then what's wrong with it?

Because God never diddled a virgin to father himself and never wore diapers on Christmas morn whenever Jesus was born.

The entire story however you celebrate it promotes the false belief that a triune god became a human being.

now you know what's wrong with it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Okay then, you think my comments are irrelevant, I think the holiday is a farce. To each, their own. It is fun to celebrate, party on.

It's only a farce if that's what you let it be to you. If you instead celebrate the meaning of the season, and do good to others, then what's wrong with it?

Because God never diddled a virgin to father himself and never wore diapers on Christmas morn whenever Jesus was born.

The entire story however you celebrate it promotes the false belief that a triune god became a human being.

now you know what's wrong with it.

Why draw a caricature? If you are correct, why do you feel the need to misrepresent the holiday with a caricature. Of course God the Father never "diddled" a virgin to father Himself. The scriptures make it clear that Mary was a virgin until after Christ was born. No "diddling" occured.

The scriptures are also clear that the Father and the Son are not the same person. But separate personages that are one in purpose. The scriptures are also clear that we are to be one with each other and them as they are one with one another.

And while I am confident that Jesus never wore modern diapers, as they are a recent invention, He was born. He was Divine before His Birth. He was swaddled in clothing. He was literally the Son of the Father. And He was sanctified.

He truly did atone for the sins of the world. He was crucified on Calvary Hill. He did rise on the morning of following Sunday.

The scriptures are true. I know this because of the Holy Spirit. I know all the things I've just told you because of the Holy Spirit. And the beautiful part of the Gospel is you don't have to take my word for it. You have the right and obligation to humble yourself before God in sincere and mighty prayer. You can know that Jesus is the Christ. You can know He is the Son of God the same way I know. And that is the same way Peter knew. Through revelation from the Father.

If your viewpoint is accurate, you wouldn't have to caricature and misrepresent what the scriptures testify to. Because the truth of God can stand nobly, boldy, and independent. Study the scriptures. Ask the Lord. You will never regret doing so.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Doesn't matter whether he did or not. How many people do you think REALLY celebrate his birthday at Christmas? It's a selfish holiday, it should be called Give Giving For The Hell of It Day.

Lots of people use the Holiday as an excuse for materialism.

True enough.

But plenty of people do (genuinely) mark the season as one of remembering Him.

So, your cynicism is only partly justified and quite irrelevant, anyway.

Okay then, you think my comments are irrelevant, I think the holiday is a farce. To each, their own. It is fun to celebrate, party on.

'Tis America. You are free to hold such opinions. AND to voice them.

And nobody else is required to give a hoot.

Great country.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

It's only a farce if that's what you let it be to you. If you instead celebrate the meaning of the season, and do good to others, then what's wrong with it?

Because God never diddled a virgin to father himself and never wore diapers on Christmas morn whenever Jesus was born.

The entire story however you celebrate it promotes the false belief that a triune god became a human being.

now you know what's wrong with it.

Why draw a caricature? If you are correct, why do you feel the need to misrepresent the holiday with a caricature. Of course God the Father never "diddled" a virgin to father Himself. The scriptures make it clear that Mary was a virgin until after Christ was born. No "diddling" occured.

The scriptures are also clear that the Father and the Son are not the same person. But separate personages that are one in purpose. The scriptures are also clear that we are to be one with each other and them as they are one with one another.

And while I am confident that Jesus never wore modern diapers, as they are a recent invention, He was born. He was Divine before His Birth. He was swaddled in clothing. He was literally the Son of the Father. And He was sanctified.

He truly did atone for the sins of the world. He was crucified on Calvary Hill. He did rise on the morning of following Sunday.

The scriptures are true. I know this because of the Holy Spirit. I know all the things I've just told you because of the Holy Spirit. And the beautiful part of the Gospel is you don't have to take my word for it. You have the right and obligation to humble yourself before God in sincere and mighty prayer. You can know that Jesus is the Christ. You can know He is the Son of God the same way I know. And that is the same way Peter knew. Through revelation from the Father.

If your viewpoint is accurate, you wouldn't have to caricature and misrepresent what the scriptures testify to. Because the truth of God can stand nobly, boldy, and independent. Study the scriptures. Ask the Lord. You will never regret doing so.

Did God come down from Heaven and tell you this himself? Did tongues of fire come down and enable you to speak in a myriad of languages? Will your next post be in Russian or Aramaic? Please explain to me why the Holy Spirit told you these things. Are you God's new prophet or some such nonsense? And for the record, reading the scripture does not paint a picture of a loving God. The Old Testament says repeatedly that God orders genocide to be committed by the Israelites. God shows no qualms about the murder of almost the entire human race, ie Noah. Or he is just killing willy-nilly: "Oh, somebody slipped while holding my Ark, I'll just strike him dead on the spot!" Even Jesus tells his followers that if they fight with their brother, they are in danger of being sent to Hell. What part of that says mercy and kindness? Please enlighten me.


P.S. If you, O Prophet of the Lord, are taking suggestions on which language you'll do next, I suggest Proto Indo-European or something like Sumerian.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

My third point is this, why would Jesus want to celebrate Christmas anyway? He is the flipping Son of God afterall! What use does he have of toys and gifts, anyway? This is the guy who supposedly fed five thousand with a couple of fish and some bread!

I think you should drive through one of these drive through Nativities this year. You might actually find that the angels celebrated Jesus' birth which made a precedent for worship.

Christmas is celebrated because of the gift of salvation that Jesus brings.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Where do you think we get 12 days of Christmas from?

There is all kinds of symbolism for Christmas.

I do go to those drive through Nativities. My infernal and Catholically devout niece and nephew force me to take them every year. To me, they (not my brother's kids, although they sure seem like it) seem like a complete waste of time, space, and money, three of the world's most important resources. A brief summary of what I've learned at these Nativities: lights and inflatable shepherds can get really boring. You seriously set any stock in these crude representations of Jesus' birth?

Oh, these imbecile Jesus hippies think that angels and lights tell the story of the birth of Jesus perfectly, so they must be right!

Sounds like pretty faulty reasoning to me.

 

[Chuckt]

My third point is this, why would Jesus want to celebrate Christmas anyway? He is the flipping Son of God afterall! What use does he have of toys and gifts, anyway? This is the guy who supposedly fed five thousand with a couple of fish and some bread!

I think you should drive through one of these drive through Nativities this year. You might actually find that the angels celebrated Jesus' birth which made a precedent for worship.

Christmas is celebrated because of the gift of salvation that Jesus brings.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Where do you think we get 12 days of Christmas from?

There is all kinds of symbolism for Christmas.

I do go to those drive through Nativities. My infernal and Catholically devout niece and nephew force me to take them every year. To me, they (not my brother's kids, although they sure seem like it) seem like a complete waste of time, space, and money, three of the world's most important resources. A brief summary of what I've learned at these Nativities: lights and inflatable shepherds can get really boring. You seriously set any stock in these crude representations of Jesus' birth?

Oh, these imbecile Jesus hippies think that angels and lights tell the story of the birth of Jesus perfectly, so they must be right!

Sounds like pretty faulty reasoning to me.

The drive through nativities I go to are free and they give us a gift. I like to see the animals and they have nice signs with scripture references done by a pastor so that I know the meaning and references of Christmas. I also get to see people I know and families I know participate in this event because they dress up and spend the cold evening outside singing, reading or participating.

Luke 2:1 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Luke 2:2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)

Luke 2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

Luke 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David

Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Luke 2:6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

Luke 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Luke 2:8 ¶ And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

Luke 2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Luke 2:12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

Luke 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Luke 2:15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.

Luke 2:16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.

Luke 2:17 And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.

Luke 2:18 And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.

Luke 2:19 But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.

Luke 2:20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.


I underlined the part about the angels. They participated so I believe this should be our pattern of worship for Christmas.

 

[Chuckt]

 

[Chuckt]

I think you should drive through one of these drive through Nativities this year. You might actually find that the angels celebrated Jesus' birth which made a precedent for worship.

Christmas is celebrated because of the gift of salvation that Jesus brings.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Where do you think we get 12 days of Christmas from?

There is all kinds of symbolism for Christmas.

I do go to those drive through Nativities. My infernal and Catholically devout niece and nephew force me to take them every year. To me, they (not my brother's kids, although they sure seem like it) seem like a complete waste of time, space, and money, three of the world's most important resources. A brief summary of what I've learned at these Nativities: lights and inflatable shepherds can get really boring. You seriously set any stock in these crude representations of Jesus' birth?

Oh, these imbecile Jesus hippies think that angels and lights tell the story of the birth of Jesus perfectly, so they must be right!

Sounds like pretty faulty reasoning to me.

Jesus already got myrrh, gold and frankincense as gifts at his birth. What ever happened to that shit?

They probably sold it to pay taxes and maybe to live on.

 

[Chuckt]

Jesus already got myrrh, gold and frankincense as gifts at his birth. What ever happened to that shit?

They probably sold it to pay taxes and maybe to live on.

So in other words, that's a myth too. Ok.

They had to travel to pay the tax and they probably didn't have money for travel but God provided.

It isn't a myth.

 

[Chuckt]

So in other words, that's a myth too. Ok.

They had to travel to pay the tax and they probably didn't have money for travel but God provided.

It isn't a myth.

Got any real proof that it's not a myth?

Yeah, it is an eyewitness testimony.

 

[hobelim]

They had to travel to pay the tax and they probably didn't have money for travel but God provided.

It isn't a myth.

Got any real proof that it's not a myth?

Yeah, it is an eyewitness testimony.

lol.... when Jesus went a stones throw away from the disciples to pray to God alone in gethsemane, three times Jesus went to check on the disciples and three times he found them sleeping.

My question to you is if the disciples were sleeping and Jesus was a stones throw away praying to God in private, who was the eyewitness that heard what Jesus said to God and wrote it down?

until you understand that the torah means instruction not history, and that the gospels continue that same tradition, you will remain confused and continue to embarrass yourself with the silly things you say in the name of the Lord.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again...."

 

[007]

Well this thread has been completely derailed...

No, IMO, Jesus would not "celebrate" his birthday. Why should he? He's immortal, celebrating your birthday really has no meaning when you're immortal.

I wouldn't celebrate Christmas either if it wasn't for family that still does. The Bible makes no mention of the day Jesus was born, that's why the Jehovah Witness' don't celebrate Christmas, that and the fact that the Bible doesn't say anywhere that we should celebrate Christmas either. Anymore commercialization has completely high jacked Christmas. It's more about stores making a profit than the birth of Christ anyway. It's pathetic.

 

[Chuckt]

Got any real proof that it's not a myth?

Yeah, it is an eyewitness testimony.

lol.... when Jesus went a stones throw away from the disciples to pray to God alone in gethsemane, three times Jesus went to check on the disciples and three times he found them sleeping.

My question to you is if the disciples were sleeping and Jesus was a stones throw away praying to God in private, who was the eyewitness that heard what Jesus said to God and wrote it down?

until you understand that the torah means instruction not history, and the gospels continue that same tradition you will remain confused and continue to embarrass yourself with the silly things you say in the name of the Lord.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again...."

Luke 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

Usually if you "sleep(ing) for sorrow" then that means you heard it.

 

[hobelim]

Yeah, it is an eyewitness testimony.

lol.... when Jesus went a stones throw away from the disciples to pray to God alone in gethsemane, three times Jesus went to check on the disciples and three times he found them sleeping.

My question to you is if the disciples were sleeping and Jesus was a stones throw away praying to God in private, who was the eyewitness that heard what Jesus said to God and wrote it down?

until you understand that the torah means instruction not history, and the gospels continue that same tradition you will remain confused and continue to embarrass yourself with the silly things you say in the name of the Lord.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again...."

Luke 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

Usually if you "sleep(ing) for sorrow" then that means you heard it.

it says "he found them sleeping, exhausted from sorrow".

nice try.

 

[hangover]

Jesus birthday wasn't even in December.

Christmas is all about keeping the economy going. I doubt Jesus is interested.

I'll k eep a seat warm for you....in hell.

"Go to heaven for the weather, go to hell for the company."

If you get sent to hell for saying the truth, then God isn't all that forgiving, is he.

It's funny how the Catholics say only they get to go to heaven. The baptists say you have to be one of them, or you go to hell. The Muslims say the same thing. The Jews, well they think they're so special, they get to go to heaven no matter what they do, cause they're the chosen ones.

I tell ya, if any of this garbage is true, heaven is pretty empty, and hell is really really big and crowed.

 

[Chuckt]

lol.... when Jesus went a stones throw away from the disciples to pray to God alone in gethsemane, three times Jesus went to check on the disciples and three times he found them sleeping.

My question to you is if the disciples were sleeping and Jesus was a stones throw away praying to God in private, who was the eyewitness that heard what Jesus said to God and wrote it down?

until you understand that the torah means instruction not history, and the gospels continue that same tradition you will remain confused and continue to embarrass yourself with the silly things you say in the name of the Lord.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again...."

Luke 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

Usually if you "sleep(ing) for sorrow" then that means you heard it.

it says "he found them sleeping, exhausted from sorrow".

nice try.

He found them afterwards.

What is your ability, Hobelim? I saw the etymology when I looked up the words. I hardly use apologetic books a lot anymore even though I have them.

You didn't take time to understand the passage. They withdrew from sorrow and some people deal with it using sleep so they fell asleep near the end.

 

[hobelim]

Luke 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

Usually if you "sleep(ing) for sorrow" then that means you heard it.

it says "he found them sleeping, exhausted from sorrow".

nice try.

He found them afterwards.

What is your ability, Hobelim? I saw the etymology when I looked up the words. I hardly use apologetic books a lot anymore even though I have them.

You didn't take time to understand the passage. They withdrew from sorrow and some people deal with it using sleep so they fell asleep near the end.

Yes, he found them after he prayed to God exhausted from sorrow, sleeping. Three times. He even upbraided them about not staying awake three times..

The point is that even if they were awake which scripture shows they were not, Jesus was a stones throw away praying to God in private with no one near enough to hear what he said.

There goes your eyewitness theory right out the window.


If you can't admit that who is going to believe that you are saved?.......

 

[Chuckt]

it says "he found them sleeping, exhausted from sorrow".

nice try.

He found them afterwards.

What is your ability, Hobelim? I saw the etymology when I looked up the words. I hardly use apologetic books a lot anymore even though I have them.

You didn't take time to understand the passage. They withdrew from sorrow and some people deal with it using sleep so they fell asleep near the end.

Yes, he found them after he prayed to God exhausted from sorrow, sleeping. Three times. He even upbraided them about not staying awake three times..

The point is that even if they were awake which scripture shows they were not, Jesus was a stones throw away praying to God in private with no one near enough to hear what he said.

There goes your eyewitness theory right out the window.


If you can't admit that who is going to believe that you are saved?.......

Hobelim,

We already know you are messing with us and I found the evidence after looking at the text for a while. How long did you spend looking at the text? I took your claim seriously and the fact is they can't be sleeping from sorrow unless they heard something to be sorrowful for. The fact is they recorded it and it is evidence.

Luke 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

You're cheating yourself from God and salvation and there are a lot of false teachers on the internet who think they are smart enough that they can con me which is sheer arrogance. The fact that I'm talking to you means I care enough for you and it doesn't mean that I am a consumer of what you have to say.