Does AOC know $15 minimum wage in states like Mississippi will put people out of work?

[Andylusion]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

The CEOs are not the cause of this.

If you collected all $8 Million dollars they paid the CEO of McDonalds, and gave it to all the employees, it would be less than $37 per person, per year. Now unless you think that one cent an hour, is going to make a difference in people's lives, then the problem isn't CEO pay.

And additionally, most of that $8 million isn't cash. It's stock, and it's stock the CEO can't sell for years. If you pay your hourly employees in stock they can't sell, they'll be worse off, not better off.

The bottom line is, if you jack up the price of labor, in areas where people are too poor to pay more money for services, then they stop buying the service. If they stop buying the service, then people lose their jobs.

The minimum wage is always zero.

When you raise the minimum wage, you increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services. That actually provides a better boost for economic growth than tax cuts for people making over $100,000 dollars a year who never change the consumer habits when they get a tax cut.

But that is simply not true. Because you are assuming those people will simply keep their jobs, and make more money. That just isn't the case. Factually wrong.

Every single time you raise the minimum wage, jobs are lost. Every single time.

UW study finds Seattle’s minimum wage is costing jobs

The only time jobs are not lost, is if the price of everything goes up. If I have to pay you, my employee, more money, then I have to charge you my customer more money.

2007 to 2009, is a perfect example. The minimum wage went from $5.25 to $7.25. Why did this not cause an "increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services"?

You need more evidence?

If you compare unemployment rates from 2006 to 2011, you will see that unemployment began to fall in 2010. That's the year after the last minimum wage hike that hit in 2009. Coincidence?

Here's another one. Do you know when the first minimum wage hike hit? August 2007. Want to know when the stock market began to slide? Sept/October of 2007. Coincidence?

Awful lot of coincidences with left-wing ideology.

But even if you just assume that these coincidences had nothing to do with minimum wage.... there is one thing that I can say conclusively: There is zero evidence that increasing the minimum wage had a positive economic benefit.

By the way, Greece had the exact same results. Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation. The unemployment rate in Greece, increased every year, with the minimum wage wage until 2012. In 2012 Greece CUT their minimum wage, and that was the first year unemployment began to fall.

How US minimum wage laws ruined American Samoa’s economy | Sparta Report

The same thing happened in American Samoa. Jacking up the minimum wage, resulted in employment loss, and devastation for the economy of the island.

There is not single example of any country or group, raising the minimum wage into prosperity. Not one.

As for tax cuts for the rich....

Tax cuts for the rich always results in prosperity. Always.

Ireland well known as being tax shelter, called for years the Celtic Tiger.
Singapore, very pro-rich.
Australia, relatively low tax.
Switzerland actually is a relatively low tax country, and very prosperous.

 

[healthmyths]

But of course those favoring the $15/hr nationally are also truly ignorant believing one size fits all.

Well, that is what the minimum wage is. The minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour. It needs to be raised to at least $12 dollars an hour even in low cost living places like Mississippi and Tennessee.

Why? Because you have some odd notion that every employer in the country has oodles of cash just lying around doing nothing? Or is that companies that can't afford $12 an hour for janitors don't deserve to exist and can be done without? Please explain your "government mandated wages NEED to be raised".

Mississippi had no problem paying Janitors $12 dollars an hour in 1968. Business was great and the economy was good. Plus, a Janitor making $12 dollars an hour spends a lot more money boosting economic growth than a Janitor making only $7.25. A few business's that a poorly managed may balk and complain about paying minimum wage rates from 1968, but they will be in the minority. Economic growth and business will mostly prosper as the minimum wage hike will essentially function as an economic stimulus.

Business's did not shut down because they were paying $12 dollars an hour minimum wage in 1968, so there is no reason they would be forced to shut down in 2019 paying that very same rate.

Are you telling me that janitors made $12 in 1968? what happened because the state average in 2019 is $9.22!
Here are the facts and I am guessing then you have a link to prove your statement?

Just found out on Indeed.com that Custodian in Mississippi makes about $9.22 per hour. What do you think?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Whether the minimum wage is $7 dollars or $15 dollars won't make any difference in if or when a company introduces a robot or computer to take over someone's job.

With the unemployment rate at 3.6%, the robots are not helping any at this point. Massive labor shortages all over the place!

So your fiendishly clever plan is to put companies out of business and their employees out of work?

Name one company that went "out of business" because they paid their employees to much money.

Off the top of my head, I can't, because REAL business owners - unlike you - aren't stupid enough to set wages based on what they "feelz" people should get, rather than what their job is actually worth to the employer.

How much do you pay someone that makes you all of your money?

What profession would that be?


.

He's got some odd notion that people who own businesses don't work themselves. In his "mind", they just sit back and drink martinis and smoke cigars lit with hundred dollar bills. Maybe take a vigorous swim in their money vaults, like Scrooge McDuck. And yet he wants us all to believe HE is rich and successful, despite his painfully, appallingly obvious lack of knowledge about the realities of it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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A Heritage Foundation analysis from 2016 estimated that a $15 federal minimum wage would wipe out 7 million jobs. Hardest hit would be workers, businesses, and economies in areas with low costs of living. (like Mississippi where cost of living is 87% of USA standard.
Mississippi cost of living is 87.8% Mississippi Cost of Living

Liberal activists demand a “living wage,” but the truth is that only a tiny handful of hourly wage workers make the minimum wage or less (4 percent), according to the Employment Policies Institute. On the contrary, a whopping 44 percent of hourly workers currently earn at or below the proposed $15 minimum wage.

Now consider what the $15 minimum wage would do.

For a restaurant that employs 10 minimum wage workers, a $15 minimum wage hike would cost them about $170,000 per year. If the restaurant currently earns profit margins of 5 percent, it would have to increase sales by $3.5 million per year, or an extra $67,000 every week.

But that is not realistic. The likely scenario is that they’ll either have to cut working hours or fire some workers altogether. Either way, most people are worse off than before.

Lawmakers Are Pushing a $15 Minimum Wage. Here Are 3 Disastrous Consequences That Would Result.
Robotic waiters...

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Moving the minimum sage to $15 in mississippi would triple the average wage in state.

And increase the unemployment rate. Would we rather have fewer people working for a few extra dollars an hour, or more people working for a few less?

 

[healthmyths]

McDonalds had no problem paying their workers the equivalent of $12.00 dollars an hour in 1968 when you adjust for inflation. Sales and profits were GREAT for McDonalds in 1968. THE BIG MAC was introduced to the McDonalds menu in 1968!

MAKE MCDONALDS GREAT AGAIN! Make sure their workers are at least making what they did in 1968, which was $12 DOLLARS and hour when adjusted for inflation!

Most McDonald's workers in 1968 probably knew how to work. Today, anything more than pushing a button is bound to lead to an emotional breakdown!

In 1968, most McD's workers were teenagers. Entry level jobs were great training for teenagers to learn a good work ethic. These jobs were never meant to enable someone to support a family.

That's not the point. Those teenagers in 1968 were being payed $12 dollars an hour at those minimum wage jobs. In 2019, regardless of your age, if you make only minimum wage, your only making $7.25 an hour. The minimum wage should be at least what it was in 1968 when people were paid $12 dollars an hour!

Don't blame that on wages - blame it on moving off of the gold standard and enabling the rampant inflation Global Banksters and Big Government crave.

People making over $100,000 a year always get a cost of living adjustment typically. Why shouldn't people making minimum wage get the same adjustment. Why do people making minimum wage deserve to fall behind, but no someone making $100,000 dollars a year.

Where do you come up with these stupid statements like "People making over $100,000 a year always get a cost of living adjustment typically."?

Please provide links when you make dumb comments like that!

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

The CEOs are not the cause of this.

If you collected all $8 Million dollars they paid the CEO of McDonalds, and gave it to all the employees, it would be less than $37 per person, per year. Now unless you think that one cent an hour, is going to make a difference in people's lives, then the problem isn't CEO pay.

And additionally, most of that $8 million isn't cash. It's stock, and it's stock the CEO can't sell for years. If you pay your hourly employees in stock they can't sell, they'll be worse off, not better off.

The bottom line is, if you jack up the price of labor, in areas where people are too poor to pay more money for services, then they stop buying the service. If they stop buying the service, then people lose their jobs.

The minimum wage is always zero.

When you raise the minimum wage, you increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services. That actually provides a better boost for economic growth than tax cuts for people making over $100,000 dollars a year who never change the consumer habits when they get a tax cut.

But that is simply not true. Because you are assuming those people will simply keep their jobs, and make more money. That just isn't the case. Factually wrong.

Every single time you raise the minimum wage, jobs are lost. Every single time.

UW study finds Seattle’s minimum wage is costing jobs

The only time jobs are not lost, is if the price of everything goes up. If I have to pay you, my employee, more money, then I have to charge you my customer more money.

2007 to 2009, is a perfect example. The minimum wage went from $5.25 to $7.25. Why did this not cause an "increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services"?

You need more evidence?

If you compare unemployment rates from 2006 to 2011, you will see that unemployment began to fall in 2010. That's the year after the last minimum wage hike that hit in 2009. Coincidence?

Here's another one. Do you know when the first minimum wage hike hit? August 2007. Want to know when the stock market began to slide? Sept/October of 2007. Coincidence?

Awful lot of coincidences with left-wing ideology.

But even if you just assume that these coincidences had nothing to do with minimum wage.... there is one thing that I can say conclusively: There is zero evidence that increasing the minimum wage had a positive economic benefit.

By the way, Greece had the exact same results. Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation. The unemployment rate in Greece, increased every year, with the minimum wage wage until 2012. In 2012 Greece CUT their minimum wage, and that was the first year unemployment began to fall.

How US minimum wage laws ruined American Samoa’s economy | Sparta Report

The same thing happened in American Samoa. Jacking up the minimum wage, resulted in employment loss, and devastation for the economy of the island.

There is not single example of any country or group, raising the minimum wage into prosperity. Not one.

As for tax cuts for the rich....

Tax cuts for the rich always results in prosperity. Always.

Ireland well known as being tax shelter, called for years the Celtic Tiger.
Singapore, very pro-rich.
Australia, relatively low tax.
Switzerland actually is a relatively low tax country, and very prosperous.

Every single time minimum wage has Been raised the market adjusts

Just like it adjusts for increased cost of supplies, tax increases, energy increases, insurance

People do not get laid off every time the cost of business increases

 

[hadit]

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A Heritage Foundation analysis from 2016 estimated that a $15 federal minimum wage would wipe out 7 million jobs. Hardest hit would be workers, businesses, and economies in areas with low costs of living. (like Mississippi where cost of living is 87% of USA standard.
Mississippi cost of living is 87.8% Mississippi Cost of Living

Liberal activists demand a “living wage,” but the truth is that only a tiny handful of hourly wage workers make the minimum wage or less (4 percent), according to the Employment Policies Institute. On the contrary, a whopping 44 percent of hourly workers currently earn at or below the proposed $15 minimum wage.

Now consider what the $15 minimum wage would do.

For a restaurant that employs 10 minimum wage workers, a $15 minimum wage hike would cost them about $170,000 per year. If the restaurant currently earns profit margins of 5 percent, it would have to increase sales by $3.5 million per year, or an extra $67,000 every week.

But that is not realistic. The likely scenario is that they’ll either have to cut working hours or fire some workers altogether. Either way, most people are worse off than before.

Lawmakers Are Pushing a $15 Minimum Wage. Here Are 3 Disastrous Consequences That Would Result.
Robotic waiters...

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Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages. He did not complain about minimum wages. Employers who can Only make it on Cheap labor in a first world economy need to fail.

This again. You do realize, don't you, that by extension you are saying that the employees of those companies need to be out of work? Let's put this in perspective.

Usain Bolt can run a 100 meters in 9.58 seconds. Why can't you?

World class plastic surgeons can make millions. Why can't General Practioners?

Donald Trump can buy and fly in his own private jet. Why can't you?

Creating a business requires some planning. Planning for cheap, labor from inception is the difference.

Is that why Trump has a private jet and you don't? You didn't plan right?

The point is, and I have pointed this out to you many times, that you cannot say that every business owner can do what Ford did, any more than you can say that because Usain Bolt can run a hundred meters that fast, everyone should be able to.

Now, if you have any integrity at all, you will stop repeating that bilge. I won't hold my breath waiting.

i am willing to work with merely half a million rather than a whole million dollar loan.

Why does Trump fly in a private jet while you don't?

 

[Cecilie1200]

It may not be reasonable for everyone but it is hard not to hope for those to get at least 15 dollars

Amazon and Disney has minimum wage to 15 dollars

If McDonald's can afford to give its shareholders $7.7 billion, it can afford to pay all its workers $15 an hour."

Hard to argue that point

According to one study, U.S. taxpayers are subsidizing the low pay at McDonald's to the tune of $1.2 billion a year.

hard to argue that point

In-And-Out starts at 13 dollars

people

Target says that it will go to 13 dollars
Costco 14 dollars
Walmart and CVS 11 dollars

People need the money and it will allow them to give their kids more opportunities to succeed if they can manage their money

If the lower wage states do not keep up with the high end states then so be it.
There are consequences as young people will leave

But then again older people who have had some success and ready to move on will move back

Okay, a couple of things.

It's easy to argue with "If McDonald's can afford to give its shareholders $7.7 billion, it can afford to pay all its workers $15 an hour." You know how? McDonald's isn't paying those workers; the small business owner franchisee running THAT PARTICULAR RESTAURANT is paying them. McDonald's, the large corporation with the shareholders to which the dividends are paid, doesn't actually make and sell burgers, you know. It makes its money off of selling franchises and collecting rents and fees from the franchisees. So you're conflating two completely different sets of people there.

And artificially inflating the minimum wage doesn't give anyone "more opportunities", unless you consider collecting welfare because all the jobs dried up as small businesses closed to be an "opportunity".

Plus ignorant of business people don't seem to realize that raising to $15.00 means actually in one year for McDonald's 218,000 employees McDonalds' franchise owners
will pay nearly another $500 million in payroll taxes...i.e. 6.2% of $15.00 x 40 x 218,000 x 52 weeks.

McDonalds had no problem paying their workers the equivalent of $12.00 dollars an hour in 1968 when you adjust for inflation. Sales and profits were GREAT for McDonalds in 1968. THE BIG MAC was introduced to the McDonalds menu in 1968!

MAKE MCDONALDS GREAT AGAIN! Make sure their workers are at least making what they did in 1968, which was $12 DOLLARS and hour when adjusted for inflation!

Most McDonald's workers in 1968 probably knew how to work. Today, anything more than pushing a button is bound to lead to an emotional breakdown!

It's very stressful, being forced to act polite and civilized to people because they're paying you money, instead of just saying whatever your "feelz" tell you to.

 

[hadit]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

The CEOs are not the cause of this.

If you collected all $8 Million dollars they paid the CEO of McDonalds, and gave it to all the employees, it would be less than $37 per person, per year. Now unless you think that one cent an hour, is going to make a difference in people's lives, then the problem isn't CEO pay.

And additionally, most of that $8 million isn't cash. It's stock, and it's stock the CEO can't sell for years. If you pay your hourly employees in stock they can't sell, they'll be worse off, not better off.

The bottom line is, if you jack up the price of labor, in areas where people are too poor to pay more money for services, then they stop buying the service. If they stop buying the service, then people lose their jobs.

The minimum wage is always zero.

When you raise the minimum wage, you increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services. That actually provides a better boost for economic growth than tax cuts for people making over $100,000 dollars a year who never change the consumer habits when they get a tax cut.

But that is simply not true. Because you are assuming those people will simply keep their jobs, and make more money. That just isn't the case. Factually wrong.

Every single time you raise the minimum wage, jobs are lost. Every single time.

UW study finds Seattle’s minimum wage is costing jobs

The only time jobs are not lost, is if the price of everything goes up. If I have to pay you, my employee, more money, then I have to charge you my customer more money.

2007 to 2009, is a perfect example. The minimum wage went from $5.25 to $7.25. Why did this not cause an "increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services"?

You need more evidence?

If you compare unemployment rates from 2006 to 2011, you will see that unemployment began to fall in 2010. That's the year after the last minimum wage hike that hit in 2009. Coincidence?

Here's another one. Do you know when the first minimum wage hike hit? August 2007. Want to know when the stock market began to slide? Sept/October of 2007. Coincidence?

Awful lot of coincidences with left-wing ideology.

But even if you just assume that these coincidences had nothing to do with minimum wage.... there is one thing that I can say conclusively: There is zero evidence that increasing the minimum wage had a positive economic benefit.

By the way, Greece had the exact same results. Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation. The unemployment rate in Greece, increased every year, with the minimum wage wage until 2012. In 2012 Greece CUT their minimum wage, and that was the first year unemployment began to fall.

How US minimum wage laws ruined American Samoa’s economy | Sparta Report

The same thing happened in American Samoa. Jacking up the minimum wage, resulted in employment loss, and devastation for the economy of the island.

There is not single example of any country or group, raising the minimum wage into prosperity. Not one.

As for tax cuts for the rich....

Tax cuts for the rich always results in prosperity. Always.

Ireland well known as being tax shelter, called for years the Celtic Tiger.
Singapore, very pro-rich.
Australia, relatively low tax.
Switzerland actually is a relatively low tax country, and very prosperous.

Every single time minimum wage has Been raised the market adjusts

Just like it adjusts for increased cost of supplies, tax increases, energy increases, insurance

People do not get laid off every time the cost of business increases

Sure, as long as the increases are small enough that they really don't matter. Double it overnight, however, and you have a problem.

 

[rightwinger]

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages. He did not complain about minimum wages. Employers who can Only make it on Cheap labor in a first world economy need to fail.

This again. You do realize, don't you, that by extension you are saying that the employees of those companies need to be out of work? Let's put this in perspective.

Usain Bolt can run a 100 meters in 9.58 seconds. Why can't you?

World class plastic surgeons can make millions. Why can't General Practioners?

Donald Trump can buy and fly in his own private jet. Why can't you?

Creating a business requires some planning. Planning for cheap, labor from inception is the difference.

Is that why Trump has a private jet and you don't? You didn't plan right?

The point is, and I have pointed this out to you many times, that you cannot say that every business owner can do what Ford did, any more than you can say that because Usain Bolt can run a hundred meters that fast, everyone should be able to.

Now, if you have any integrity at all, you will stop repeating that bilge. I won't hold my breath waiting.

i am willing to work with merely half a million rather than a whole million dollar loan.

Why does Trump fly in a private jet while you don't?

Because nobody wants to fly with him

 

[WEATHER53]

McDonalds had no problem paying their workers the equivalent of $12.00 dollars an hour in 1968 when you adjust for inflation. Sales and profits were GREAT for McDonalds in 1968. THE BIG MAC was introduced to the McDonalds menu in 1968!

MAKE MCDONALDS GREAT AGAIN! Make sure their workers are at least making what they did in 1968, which was $12 DOLLARS and hour when adjusted for inflation!

Most McDonald's workers in 1968 probably knew how to work. Today, anything more than pushing a button is bound to lead to an emotional breakdown!

In 1968, most McD's workers were teenagers. Entry level jobs were great training for teenagers to learn a good work ethic. These jobs were never meant to enable someone to support a family.

That's not the point. Those teenagers in 1968 were being payed $12 dollars an hour at those minimum wage jobs. In 2019, regardless of your age, if you make only minimum wage, your only making $7.25 an hour. The minimum wage should be at least what it was in 1968 when people were paid $12 dollars an hour!

Don't blame that on wages - blame it on moving off of the gold standard and enabling the rampant inflation Global Banksters and Big Government crave.

People making over $100,000 a year always get a cost of living adjustment typically. Why shouldn't people making minimum wage get the same adjustment. Why do people making minimum wage deserve to fall behind, but no someone making $100,000 dollars a year.

More boo hoo.. People who make a lot more do a lot more and get a lot more.
Join in instead of lambasting or crying about it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

But of course those favoring the $15/hr nationally are also truly ignorant believing one size fits all.

Well, that is what the minimum wage is. The minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour. It needs to be raised to at least $12 dollars an hour even in low cost living places like Mississippi and Tennessee.

Long overdue

It needs to go to $15 to compensate for a decade without an increase

$15 dollars might be a little high in places like Mississippi and Tennessee, but nearly every where else, it would fit like a glove. $12 dollars is not going to hurt anything in Mississippi except for people who are poor managers of business. A minimum wage as a high as $15 dollars might be ok for Mississippi too.

So what do you do with the people who make $15.00 an hour now? How much are you going to raise their pay, so they are no longer working for minimum wage.

In my current job, I am salaried and work many more hours per week than those I supervise. They just received a nice pay raise to the point where they make almost as much as I do. Because I work extra hours without compensation, our pay per hour is roughly equivalent. How do justify that for those making $15.00 an hour who now realize that the people they once supervised now make the same paycheck they do?

And why the hell would anyone want the extra responsibility and headaches of being a supervisor if you're not going to get paid any more for it?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Fifteen bucks for an hour of someone’s life?

Seems pretty cheap to me.

Well keep that thought as this image will replace that teenager who is getting more than just a paycheck working at that minimum wage job.
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Whether the minimum wage is $7 dollars or $15 dollars won't make any difference in if or when a company introduces a robot or computer to take over someone's job.

With the unemployment rate at 3.6%, the robots are not helping any at this point. Massive labor shortages all over the place!

So your fiendishly clever plan is to put companies out of business and their employees out of work?

Name one company that went "out of business" because they paid their employees to much money.

Uhm you do know 30% companies fail in the first two years right?


.

No, he really doesn't. We had this discussion before, and he trotted out all these lists of businesses which didn't go under as proof that businesses don't really fail.

 

[Cecilie1200]

But of course those favoring the $15/hr nationally are also truly ignorant believing one size fits all.

Well, that is what the minimum wage is. The minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour. It needs to be raised to at least $12 dollars an hour even in low cost living places like Mississippi and Tennessee.

Why? Because you have some odd notion that every employer in the country has oodles of cash just lying around doing nothing? Or is that companies that can't afford $12 an hour for janitors don't deserve to exist and can be done without? Please explain your "government mandated wages NEED to be raised".

Mississippi had no problem paying Janitors $12 dollars an hour in 1968. Business was great and the economy was good. Plus, a Janitor making $12 dollars an hour spends a lot more money boosting economic growth than a Janitor making only $7.25. A few business's that a poorly managed may balk and complain about paying minimum wage rates from 1968, but they will be in the minority. Economic growth and business will mostly prosper as the minimum wage hike will essentially function as an economic stimulus.

Business's did not shut down because they were paying $12 dollars an hour minimum wage in 1968, so there is no reason they would be forced to shut down in 2019 paying that very same rate.

Twelve dollars an hour in 1968? For janitors? For minimum wage? Whatever the fuck you're smoking, put it down and back away.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Plus ignorant of business people don't seem to realize that raising to $15.00 means actually in one year for McDonald's 218,000 employees McDonalds' franchise owners
will pay nearly another $500 million in payroll taxes...i.e. 6.2% of $15.00 x 40 x 218,000 x 52 weeks.

McDonalds had no problem paying their workers the equivalent of $12.00 dollars an hour in 1968 when you adjust for inflation. Sales and profits were GREAT for McDonalds in 1968. THE BIG MAC was introduced to the McDonalds menu in 1968!

MAKE MCDONALDS GREAT AGAIN! Make sure their workers are at least making what they did in 1968, which was $12 DOLLARS and hour when adjusted for inflation!

I swear, if your complete and utter bullshit makes me roll my eyes any farther, I'm going to be staring at my own brain.

You talk like someone who's never done anything for longer than two weeks besides reading blogs about how put-upon you are by people who expect you to work for money.

What is with all the personal stuff? Were talking about the minimum wage, not your thoughts on me personally. Do you have anything relevant to say about the minimum wage, the topic of the thread?

I'm talking about how ridiculous and uninformed your ideas on the minimum wage are. Why are YOU insisting on seeing that as a comment on your character?

Do YOU have anything relevant to say on the comments I've already made about the minimum wage in this thread, like the fact that McDonald's doesn't actually pay those workers you're gassing about? Or do you only notice stuff when you can safely focus on "You're a big meanie-head"?

Just because I'm feeling generous, I'll repeat what I said before, since you obviously skimmed right past it to continue holding forth on the wonders of the government deciding how to spend people's money for them.

McDonald's does not pay the people who work in the restaurants. McDonald's does not run the restaurants at all. Those wages are paid by the small-business-owner franchisees, who can't afford to pay unskilled teenagers $15 an hour to flip burgers, punch buttons on a register, and mop floors just because YOU see the Golden Arches and think, "Big rich corporation! Stick it to those fatcat bastards!"

Comments?

Does not matter if your talking about a small business owner or a large business. Both payed a minimum wage of $12 dollars an hour back in 1968. That includes McDonalds and its small business owner franchisees. They all were paying $12 dollars minimum wage back in 1968. They THRIVED, business was through the roof. The BIG MAC came out in 1968! Unemployment was lower than it was today.

There is NO REASON, Business's, small or large, can't pay the same minimum wage that they payed workers in 1968, in the year 2019. NONE!

Would it shock you to know that I'm a lot more inclined to believe all the people who are actually running businesses and paying wages than I am some Internet dumbass who "knows" how to live other people's lives better than they do, because he read a blog telling him so?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well keep that thought as this image will replace that teenager who is getting more than just a paycheck working at that minimum wage job.
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Whether the minimum wage is $7 dollars or $15 dollars won't make any difference in if or when a company introduces a robot or computer to take over someone's job.

With the unemployment rate at 3.6%, the robots are not helping any at this point. Massive labor shortages all over the place!

So your fiendishly clever plan is to put companies out of business and their employees out of work?

Name one company that went "out of business" because they paid their employees to much money.

Off the top of my head, I can't, because REAL business owners - unlike you - aren't stupid enough to set wages based on what they "feelz" people should get, rather than what their job is actually worth to the employer.

Well, without government regulation about what employers can do with their workers, you end up with SLAVERY. Yes, Business loved slavery. What better way to reduce your cost of doing business and increase your profit than Slavery! Very good times for Business owners in the southern states before 1860!

Yes, the only options are government micromanaging and slavery. Because it's absolutely not possible to avoid slavery unless the government dictates your every move . . . if you have the mentality of a 5-year-old.

Oh, and if "business loves slavery", Oh mighty history professor, please explain why the industrialized North divested itself of slavery long before the agrarian South was forced to do so.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

OAC is a fraud. She recently played role of a bartender, and looked ridiculous and disingenuous in the process. She was promoting $15 minimum wage for bartenders.............Here's where the bitch and leftists are lost and corrupt. Follow the logic/history.

A. Progs figure it's up to them what an employer pays, as opposed to the employer. So they set a minimum wage of say $15. This promotes inflation, globalization, technology, immigration, which all compromise the U.S. job market and economy, but that's another thread.

B. Liquor/food establishments be like fuck you, some bartenders/waitresses etc. earn say $400-600 a shift in tips alone, and the job doesn't require more than an operable brain and personality. I know some of these people, they're mid-high middle class. So the government does the right thing and allows the owner to reduce their minimum wage, all while tips are under-estimated. At the end of the day the cost and compensation favors the employee, employer and patrons.

C. Stupid and/or corrupted heads declare OMG, that's not fair to the employee.


Pretty simple, but simple is well beyond many heads, right progs? Rhetorical question.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

The CEOs are not the cause of this.

If you collected all $8 Million dollars they paid the CEO of McDonalds, and gave it to all the employees, it would be less than $37 per person, per year. Now unless you think that one cent an hour, is going to make a difference in people's lives, then the problem isn't CEO pay.

And additionally, most of that $8 million isn't cash. It's stock, and it's stock the CEO can't sell for years. If you pay your hourly employees in stock they can't sell, they'll be worse off, not better off.

The bottom line is, if you jack up the price of labor, in areas where people are too poor to pay more money for services, then they stop buying the service. If they stop buying the service, then people lose their jobs.

The minimum wage is always zero.

When you raise the minimum wage, you increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services. That actually provides a better boost for economic growth than tax cuts for people making over $100,000 dollars a year who never change the consumer habits when they get a tax cut.

Well, except the fact that those products and services now cost more because dumbasses like you raised the minimum wage! It is like a dog chasing its tail!

Not necessarily. Business price their products and services based on DEMAND, not on the cost of doing business. Business's did just fine paying $12 dollars an hour minimum wage in 1968. They will be just fine paying that minimum wage in 2019.

Not quite, Rockefeller. Demand is only one of the factors calculated into setting prices. Production and administration costs are very much also part of the equation.

And we're pretty much to the point where "$12 an hour in 1968! They DID, they DID, they DID!!!" makes you an automatic "too stupid to notice".

FLUSH!

 

[Cecilie1200]

It may not be reasonable for everyone but it is hard not to hope for those to get at least 15 dollars

Amazon and Disney has minimum wage to 15 dollars

If McDonald's can afford to give its shareholders $7.7 billion, it can afford to pay all its workers $15 an hour."

Hard to argue that point

According to one study, U.S. taxpayers are subsidizing the low pay at McDonald's to the tune of $1.2 billion a year.

hard to argue that point

In-And-Out starts at 13 dollars

people

Target says that it will go to 13 dollars
Costco 14 dollars
Walmart and CVS 11 dollars

People need the money and it will allow them to give their kids more opportunities to succeed if they can manage their money

If the lower wage states do not keep up with the high end states then so be it.
There are consequences as young people will leave

But then again older people who have had some success and ready to move on will move back

If they are working a minimum wage job, they cannot afford to have kids!

Are you saying minimum wage job is a form of birth control

well I would agree that if you can't afford to have children you should practice safe sex

Still I see to many people on the streets sleeping on the sidewalk asking for money to deny them the ability to make 15 dollars an hour.

Still minimum wage standards are no where near the 15 dollar mark and she has her right to her opinions. It may be unrealistic but hey a dollar and a dream

Dude, the people you see sleeping on the street and panhandling aren't doing it because the minimum wage "just isn't high enough". Pretty much, they're already not employed, so the minimum wage means nothing to them.

 

[danielpalos]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

The CEOs are not the cause of this.

If you collected all $8 Million dollars they paid the CEO of McDonalds, and gave it to all the employees, it would be less than $37 per person, per year. Now unless you think that one cent an hour, is going to make a difference in people's lives, then the problem isn't CEO pay.

And additionally, most of that $8 million isn't cash. It's stock, and it's stock the CEO can't sell for years. If you pay your hourly employees in stock they can't sell, they'll be worse off, not better off.

The bottom line is, if you jack up the price of labor, in areas where people are too poor to pay more money for services, then they stop buying the service. If they stop buying the service, then people lose their jobs.

The minimum wage is always zero.

When you raise the minimum wage, you increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services. That actually provides a better boost for economic growth than tax cuts for people making over $100,000 dollars a year who never change the consumer habits when they get a tax cut.

But that is simply not true. Because you are assuming those people will simply keep their jobs, and make more money. That just isn't the case. Factually wrong.

Every single time you raise the minimum wage, jobs are lost. Every single time.

UW study finds Seattle’s minimum wage is costing jobs

The only time jobs are not lost, is if the price of everything goes up. If I have to pay you, my employee, more money, then I have to charge you my customer more money.

2007 to 2009, is a perfect example. The minimum wage went from $5.25 to $7.25. Why did this not cause an "increase low wage workers ability to buy more products and services"?

You need more evidence?

If you compare unemployment rates from 2006 to 2011, you will see that unemployment began to fall in 2010. That's the year after the last minimum wage hike that hit in 2009. Coincidence?

Here's another one. Do you know when the first minimum wage hike hit? August 2007. Want to know when the stock market began to slide? Sept/October of 2007. Coincidence?

Awful lot of coincidences with left-wing ideology.

But even if you just assume that these coincidences had nothing to do with minimum wage.... there is one thing that I can say conclusively: There is zero evidence that increasing the minimum wage had a positive economic benefit.

By the way, Greece had the exact same results. Greece had a minimum wage tied to inflation. The unemployment rate in Greece, increased every year, with the minimum wage wage until 2012. In 2012 Greece CUT their minimum wage, and that was the first year unemployment began to fall.

How US minimum wage laws ruined American Samoa’s economy | Sparta Report

The same thing happened in American Samoa. Jacking up the minimum wage, resulted in employment loss, and devastation for the economy of the island.

There is not single example of any country or group, raising the minimum wage into prosperity. Not one.

As for tax cuts for the rich....

Tax cuts for the rich always results in prosperity. Always.

Ireland well known as being tax shelter, called for years the Celtic Tiger.
Singapore, very pro-rich.
Australia, relatively low tax.
Switzerland actually is a relatively low tax country, and very prosperous.

equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis is a simple market based solution that can solve simple poverty in our republic on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.