Does Jon Karl Have The Juice To Survive Benghazi Email Controversy?

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Does Jon Karl Have The Juice To Survive Benghazi Email Controversy?







The White House’s release of the emails regarding the formulation of the Benghazi talking points has thrown ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl out of the frying pan, and into the fire. Karl’s exclusive report on Friday turned Benghazi into a huge political story for a few days, until CNN’s Jake Tapper scored a scoop that exposed Karl’s reporting as misleading, at best. The full email chain further refutes Karl’s reporting, and reveals that the source of the “emails” that he “obtained” lied right to his face.Somebody owes somebody an apology.


In case you missed it, Jonathan Karl’s report on the 12 revisions to the Benghazi talking points contained multiple references to “emails” that Karl claimed to have alternately “obtained,” “reviewed,” and “(had) read to (him),” while other ABC News anchors also claimed Karl had “obtained” and “unearthed” the emails in question. Buried in the middle of that initial report was a muddy reference to “Summaries of White House and State Department email-some of which were first published by Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard,” and never identified those summaries as the source of his reporting. He presented those emails as direct quotes from actual emails. One such “email” was from White House adviser Ben Rhodes, which Karl reported like this:


In an email dated 9/14/12 at 9:34 p.m. — three days after the attack and two days before Ambassador Rice appeared on the Sunday shows – Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes wrote an email saying the State Department’s concerns needed to be addressed.


“We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.”

Then, Jake Tapper actually did obtain one of the emails that Karl referenced, and clearly explained that Karl hadn’t actually seen any emails, or had any emails read to him. Here’s what the Ben Rhodes email really said:


“All –


“Sorry to be late to this discussion. We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.


“There is a ton of wrong information getting out into the public domain from Congress and people who are not particularly informed. Insofar as we have firmed up assessments that don’t compromise intel or the investigation, we need to have the capability to correct the record, as there are significant policy and messaging ramifications that would flow from a hardened mis-impression.
“We can take this up tomorrow morning at deputies.”



No mention at all of State, no mention of “agency equities,” and no mention of “working through the talking points” at the Deputies meeting. Karl’s source made all of that up. As Jake Tapper pointed out, Karl and/or his source “seemingly invented the notion that Rhodes wanted the concerns of the State Department specifically addressed. While Nuland, particularly, had expressed a desire to remove mentions of specific terrorist groups and CIA warnings about the increasingly dangerous assignment, Rhodes put no emphasis at all in his e-mail on the State Department’s concerns.”


Rather than admit his mistake, though, Karl oddly continued to pretend he had actual emails, referring to his and Tapper’s as “two versions” of the same email, even as he admitted that the “emails” he had “obtained” were actually “quoting verbatim a source who reviewed the original documents and shared detailed notes,” and later in the piece, again refers to his source’s notes as “The version I obtained


He also tried to square the contradictions between Tapper’s real email and his own fake one, by going back at his source for an explanation. His source responded “WH reply was after a long chain of email about State Dept concerns. So when WH emailer says, take into account all equities, he is talking about the State equities, since that is what the email chain was about.”


So, the guy was paraphrasing when he fed Karl inaccurate quotes, which Karl then presented as direct quotes from the actual emails. So what?


So, this: the actual emails released by the White House not only show a completely different picture of the State Department’s concerns, versus what Karl presented, they also explicitly contradict the source’s explanation of Rhodes’ email. The long email chain was not about State Dept. concerns, it was about concerns from almost everyone concerned, mainly about prejudicing the investigation. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland’s objection finally appears, it turns out that Jonathan Karl and his source took her words out of context, even cutting her off in mid-sentence.


In Karl’s initial report, he quoted “an email” from State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland as saying that one of the talking points ““could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”


What Nuland actually wrote was in reference to numerous concerns, mainly about the integrity of the investigation:


I just had a convo with (CIA Office of Public Affairs), and I now understand that these are being prepared to give to Members of Congress to use with the media.


On that basis, I have serious concerns about all the parts highlighted below, and arming members of Congress to start making assertions to the media that we ourselves are not making because we don’t want to prejudice the investigation.
In the same vein, why do we want Hill to be fingering Ansar al Sharia, when we aren’t doing that ourselves until we have investigation results… and the penultimate point could be abused by Members to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings so why do we want to feed that either? Concerned…

Additionally, when Rhodes sent the email about respecting “all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation,” he was responding directly to an email from then-NSC spokesman Tommy Vietor, who said “Given the DoJ equities, and State’s desire to run some traps, safe to assume we can hold on this until tomorrow?”


Vietor’s email followed a suggestion, from the F.B.I., that the Department of Justice be looped in. “They will have to deal with the the(sic) prosecution and related legal matters surrounding the federal investigation,” the email said.


Whatever you think of Nuland’s tertiary concerns about “Agency warnings,” the White House email was clearly not “talking about the State Department’s concerns,” but about all of the agencies’ concerns about the investigation, and was prompted by a need to get input from DoJ. In a draft letter to then-CIA Director David Petraeus, the CIA Public Affairs officer even explains that “The Bureau cleared with a few comments but asked that Justice, which would handle any criminal prosecution, be brought in. It is evident that will not happen tonight, and Ben Rhodes has asked that this issue be reviewed tomorrow morning at the Deputies’ meeting.”




More at the link.







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I'll just remind you of the context. Remember, Karl's scoop last week, timed to the testimony of the three consular aides, set off an earthquake. It appeared to show that the administration was chiefly concerned with how the State Department would look, and with doctoring the talking points to minimize political damage. That's pretty damning stuff. It's why a number of commentators who had theretofore said Benghazi was nothing was now something. It's why a lot of people said Jay Carney had lied about the talking points.



But now it turns out, beyond argument, that Karl didn't see the emails, and that portions were read to him and were fabricated. Karl put those fabrications inside quote marks. Let's assume for now the most benign explanation of Karl's behavior: He trusted a source, and that source fucked him.



What should he and ABC do? Do you stand by sources who you know lied to you? There are certain circumstances when "burning" a source is considered permissible. Suppose you were a journalist and a source told you someone had committed a felony but that person had not. Do you have to protect that source? No.




ABC News, if you ask me, has had a worse week than Obama, not that as many people are paying attention. But consider. CNN and Jake Tapper got the actual emails, proving beyond a doubt that ABC and Karl were wrong. And last night on CBS, Scott Pelley and Major Garrett took the unheard of step of basically calling news gatherers at a fellow network liars.



The bigger issue here of course is not a media issue, but what in fact happened. What the emails show is awfully boring and un-juicy. They show government employees trying to be careful about jumping to conclusions--not in an attempt to cover ass, but so as not to prejudice an ongoing investigation. Victoria Nuland didn't want members of Congress to be out there blaming Ansar al-Sharia for the attack not out of any concern for Hillary Clinton, but for the basic reason that the investigation wasn't complete and there was no proof of the group's involvement.



Nothing. Happened. Nothing. And again, I remind you: The GOP's main political charge here is that the administration covered up Benghazi because it was an election year. But on September 20, the president's official mouthpiece (Carney) acknowledged that it was a terrorist attack, so Republicans had about 46 days in which to make political hay of that admission. Nobody hid anything.



Yes, mistakes were made at State--and remember, three people did lose their jobs. The record up to today suggests that the government is a good measure more trustworthy than ABC News--and, don't forget, than whoever it was (surely a GOP source of some kind) who lied to Karl in the first place.
 
You are aware that the emails released were not from the first two days, aren't you?

You are aware that those emails also specifically note that the changes made were made at the request of the State Dept, aren't you?

You are aware that you are being misled, aren't you?
 
ABC owes President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Embassador Susan Rice an apology.

Benghazi-gate is done, (except for the Rabid Right Wing Echo Chamber).

And if you click your heels together three times and say, "There's no place like home" you'll be back in Kansas before you know it Dorothy
 
You can always tell when the latest talking points are released by Soro's groups.. We get all these new left wing threads, usually with duplicates, all at one time.
 
ABC owes President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Embassador Susan Rice an apology.

Benghazi-gate is done, (except for the Rabid Right Wing Echo Chamber).
I guarantee you that the wingnuts will still run ads claiming it's a scandal, no matter the facts.

They have no integrity.
 
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There was an election to win anyway.]

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"With each passing hour, it becomes more and more clear that the truth was concealed from the American public prior to the election about two major Obama administration scandals.

Benghazi was very much in the news prior to the election. The concealment went to the culpability of the Obama administration in failing to heed warnings about security at the Benghazi consulate, the nature of the pre-planned al-Qaeda attack, the scrubbing of the talking points used by Susan Rice, the failure to go to the aid of Americans in trouble, and the claim that the attack was a result of a YouTube video.

That concealment, which now has been exposed in part (much information still has not been released), helped Obama out on an issue which was very much a part of the campaign, and allowed Obama to rebound in the second and third presidential debates after a disastrous first debate put the election outcome in doubt.

The Benghazi concealment allowed the media and the Obama campaign to get away with distractions such as whether Mitt Romney should have issued a press statement, and whether Obama’s generalized non-specific use of the term “acts of terror” constituted an admission that the Benghazi attack was terrorism. These distractions, rather than the administration’s defalcation of duty, worked to Obama’s great advantage.

The other concealment went to an even more explosive issue, the deliberate and concerted targeting by the IRS of Tea Party and conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, and leaks of information about conservative groups.

The stories now are legion, and growing, of IRS stall tactics and inappropriate delving into religious and political beliefs, and the identification of persons with whom the groups interacted. No such targeting took place as to liberal and progressive groups. This targeting was known to senior IRS officials long before the election, but was kept quiet in a variety of ways (including denying such documents existed in response to a FOIA request) until after the election.

That the IRS sought to break the scandal through a planted question and answer at a Bar Association event speaks volumes to the consciousness of guilt.

The IRS targeting of Tea Party and conservative groups not only advantaged supporters of Obama, it kept out of the public domain a very potent issue which would have driven a massive anti-Obama turnout among Tea Party and conservative voters generally unenthused about Mitt Romney.

In each of these concealments, it appears that the dirty work was done by agencies under the control of the Obama administration.

It matters not whether Obama has plausible deniability personally because he allegedly only learns about scandals from the news. These people reported to him directly or indirectly, and they took it upon themselves to conceal from the American public prior to the election facts which, if known, would have greatly damaged Obama’s campaign and inspired his opponents."

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ABC owes President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Embassador Susan Rice an apology.

Benghazi-gate is done, (except for the Rabid Right Wing Echo Chamber).
I guarantee you that the wingnuts will still run ads claiming it's a scandal, no matter the facts.

They have no integrity.
How can you tell with your head so far up your ass the stomach acid has affected your vision?
 
Yup. These "scandals" ARE falling apart! :lol:

Not really. This has almost nothing to do with the actual problem that the right has with the Benghazi incident: the fact that the American people were told that the incident was directly caused by a you tube video and that the ambassador was refused backup. What one reporter fucked up is irrelevant nor does that excuse any other incompetence that was displayed during the attack.

I can’t fathom what you are getting at here. This is not even Fox now; you are attacking ABC and demanding that because one idiot reporter lied that somehow the entire thing is completely misplaced. Silly.

This was never based on that reporter. I have never even heard of him nor could I care less about what he said. He is irrelevant.
 
Yup. These "scandals" ARE falling apart! :lol:

Not really. This has almost nothing to do with the actual problem that the right has with the Benghazi incident: the fact that the American people were told that the incident was directly caused by a you tube video and that the ambassador was refused backup. What one reporter fucked up is irrelevant nor does that excuse any other incompetence that was displayed during the attack.

I can’t fathom what you are getting at here. This is not even Fox now; you are attacking ABC and demanding that because one idiot reporter lied that somehow the entire thing is completely misplaced. Silly.

This was never based on that reporter. I have never even heard of him nor could I care less about what he said. He is irrelevant.

That Obama won’t be impeached.

For this or any other ‘scandal.’

Will lower-level officials lose their jobs or be indicted – maybe, who knows.

But there’s no evidence the president himself authorized the breaking of any laws.
 

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