Does welfare make people lazy?

[RDD_1210]

It's funny to see a thread full of people convinced that welfare makes people lazy when they themselves have never been on welfare and have no actual first hand experience.

Experts! Every last one of them.

 

[bedowin62]

It's funny to see a thread full of people convinced that welfare makes people lazy when they themselves have never been on welfare and have no actual first hand experience.

Experts! Every last one of them.

you have no idea who here has been on what; you're simply making a fool of yourself.

oh and next time you're defending obama remember you have never been president.

 

[Gadawg73]

Oh, Exxon got a tax break so that means we must give out free shit to everyone because that is "fair".
We have become a nation of village idiots.

 

[Gadawg73]

How many of you redistributionists have ever owned your own business, invested ALL YOUR LIFE SAVINGS INTO IT, worked 5-7 years eating balogna sandwiches before you made a profit and averaged working 70 hours a week for 35 years?
As of now the government has 90 overlapping government programs to "help the poor" and none of those agencies talk or interact with each other.
Only a DUMB ASS supports the current structure of "assistance" we have in America.
Restructuring it is what is needed.
A stupid and ignorant nation that does not care how inefficient and politically motivated the current system is has caused more harm than good.
Start over.

 

[Gadawg73]

It's funny to see a thread full of people convinced that welfare makes people lazy when they themselves have never been on welfare and have no actual first hand experience.

Experts! Every last one of them.

And guess why I have never been on welfare.
Something about making the right choices and when I didn't, and many times I didn't, I never asked the government to help me.
I went to my church, my family, my friends and my community.
Get off your ass and go help these poor souls in need and quit giving them your middlefinger and telling them to fuck themselves, you do not have time for them and they need to call government.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It's funny to see a thread full of people convinced that welfare makes people lazy when they themselves have never been on welfare and have no actual first hand experience.

Experts! Every last one of them.

And here you have it folks (again)
See how he/she blocks out all of the info/examples that are in this thread?
Just dismisses all of it.

Mark it down, RDD_1210 is another Truthmatters

 

[Gadawg73]

Most of the people receiving benefits here would be classified as middle class in Europe and wealthy in most all the rest of the world.

 

[Gadawg73]

"I have a right to wear my hair long, have tattoo sleeves up and down my arms to my ears, ear rings, 3 kids that limits the times I feel like working and gold teeth."
And they wonder why they can not find a job.

 

[Gadawg73]

Your stupid opinion is not a fact. If you had a job, you could see on your pay check that social security is taken out every time. We've had it coming out of our checks for 50 years.

IT ISNT paying or going to pay for YOUR SS though idiot

The $5 trillion you wasted on Iraq would have paid for yours AND mine. Quit giving America's wealth to foreign countries, and start taking care of Americans, idiot.
And another thing, there are far more people that have paid into SS that never lived long enough to collect, than have collected.
And another thing, the cons have raided over $2 trillion from SS. The interest from that alone would pay for mine AND yours.
http://http://angrybearblog.com/2013/12/social-security-trust-fund-ratios-solvency-and-the-reagan-raid.html

1 trillion wasted.
Your guy has wasted 8 trillion.
But you prove our point.
End the handouts and go back to helping each other and limit the government to helping the truly needy.

 

[regent]

It is not often in economics that nations can experiment with various economic systems to see results quickly, and at times we do not even seem to see the results or able to interpret the results of the change. During the Great Depression, the usual name calling took place for the unemployed, laziness, booze, and so on, then WWII hit with its need for workers,d bingo most went to work, including for the first time a large cadre of women. Did a percentage still lay around with the bottle and avoid a job, of course but the numbers were small. The conclusion, people will work and would rather work, but jobs have to exist, and so far we have not figured out an economic system that solves the job problem.

 

[Gadawg73]

How does that statement change anything?

BTW, they were never "borrowing from SS," they just taxed and spent it. There was never anything saved to borrow.

I was wondering the same thing, since all I did was copy your statement, which also had no meaning.

False. The money was replaced by US bonds.

Social Security taxes are paid into the General Fund. Social security checks are paid from the General Fund. Government issued itself treasuries. So according to you, if I loan myself $1 million, I have a $1 million asset and a $1 million debt. Bull, I have nothing. Government or anyone else loaning themselves money isn't an asset.

Government took your social security payments and immediately spent the money. Nothing was ever saved, there was never an asset. They just wrote down how much they spent, and you gave the bills to your children. Both to pay social security, and to pay back the t-bills for the money that your generation spent as it came in. Fine, but you don't get to call it an asset, it's us paying your bills.

Thanks...

Isn't it amazing how ignorant the public is?
They believe there is money in social security.

 

[Gadawg73]

News flash for the DUMB MASSES:
Democrats FULLY SUPPORT corporate welfare.
NO Democrat supports changes in the 80,000 page TAX CODE.
Because how large has it grown since Clinton, Bush and Obama have been in office.
Only a DUMB ASS believes Democrats support the poor and middle class.
Take a look at the wealth Nancy Pelosi has amassed through insider trading the last decade.

DUMB ASSES

 

[Gadawg73]

"JOBS HAVE TO EXIST"
millions of Hispanics come here why?
They have a work ethic.

 

[ClosedCaption]

"JOBS HAVE TO EXIST"
millions of Hispanics come here why?
They have a work ethic.

To get paid $4 an hour

 

[Spiderman]

It's silly to think that paying people to do nothing will make them lazy.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I was wondering the same thing, since all I did was copy your statement, which also had no meaning.

False. The money was replaced by US bonds.

Social Security taxes are paid into the General Fund. Social security checks are paid from the General Fund. Government issued itself treasuries. So according to you, if I loan myself $1 million, I have a $1 million asset and a $1 million debt. Bull, I have nothing. Government or anyone else loaning themselves money isn't an asset.

Government took your social security payments and immediately spent the money. Nothing was ever saved, there was never an asset. They just wrote down how much they spent, and you gave the bills to your children. Both to pay social security, and to pay back the t-bills for the money that your generation spent as it came in. Fine, but you don't get to call it an asset, it's us paying your bills.

Thanks...

Isn't it amazing how ignorant the public is?
They believe there is money in social security.

What evidence do you have that states the Social Security Trust Fund is depleted?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It's silly to think that paying people to do nothing will make them lazy.

Yeah crazy...free money, free/subsidized housing, free food, free annual gift from the IRS - getting back tax credits without paying taxes...
I mean who in the world would thing people would take advantage of this??
Wow - just nuts.

 

[Gadawg73]

"JOBS HAVE TO EXIST"
millions of Hispanics come here why?
They have a work ethic.

To get paid $4 an hour

Yes, the unskilled and uneducated get paid minimum wage, not $4 a hour.
And the Mexicans around here get paid $8-10 a hour.
Because they have MORE SKILLS than many Americans.
Something about supply and demand.
We have a large supply of unskilled and uneducated Americans and no demand for them.
Something about personal responsibility for you to educate yourself for WHAT THE MARKET DEMANDS.

 

[hangover]

IT ISNT paying or going to pay for YOUR SS though idiot

The $5 trillion you wasted on Iraq would have paid for yours AND mine. Quit giving America's wealth to foreign countries, and start taking care of Americans, idiot.
And another thing, there are far more people that have paid into SS that never lived long enough to collect, than have collected.
And another thing, the cons have raided over $2 trillion from SS. The interest from that alone would pay for mine AND yours.
http://http://angrybearblog.com/2013/12/social-security-trust-fund-ratios-solvency-and-the-reagan-raid.html

None of those points would have made social security not a welfare program.

Well first idiot, I was against Iraq, so I don't know what your point is.

And as for your claim that it's one party and not both parties doing it to us, what can I say, you're just an idiot. It's all of them.

Same old lame con bullshit. All you got is childish insults. Try debating on an adult level, with facts. Here's some......

Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt.


By cutting taxes for the wealthy he left the government with less money. We were 900 billion in debt when he came into office and 2.8 trillion in debt when he left. Do the math.


The Iran/Contra affair. If wingnuts believe that Benghazi(drink drink, gulp) is a scandal,they should read up on Iran/Contra a little bit sometime. Now that, my friends, was a scandal.


Under Ronald Reagan unemployment went from 7.5% to 11%. It eventually started falling again with the help of low paying jobs. This happened in part because large American companies started shipping jobs oversees and cutting out the American worker.


Ronald Reagan ignored the AIDS crisis, and, one could argue, contributed to the devastating crack epidemic that engulfed inner city America in the eighties. Sadly, it is a scourge that is still ravaging some African- American families today.


Ronald Reagan did more to destroy unions and the American middle class than any other President in history. (Google Reagan PATCO for an example.)


Ronald Reagan raided the Social Security Trust Fund and raised the social security tax on the middle class to fund his scheme.


Finally, Ronald Reagan and his government funded the Taliban and Afghan freedom fighters so that they could fight the "evil" Soviets.

http://http://field-negro.blogspot.com/2014/02/rethinking-reagan.html#.Uyrvc6JuK9U

III: How Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan Pulled off one of the Greatest Frauds Ever Perpetrated against the American People

Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan pulled off one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated against the American people in the history of this great nation, and the underlying scam is still alive and well, more than a quarter century later. It represents the very foundation upon which the economic malpractice that led the nation to the great economic collapse of 2008 was built. Ronald Reagan was a cunning politician, but he didn’t know much about economics. Alan Greenspan was an economist, who had no reluctance to work with a politician on a plan that would further the cause of the right-wing goals that both he and President Reagan shared….

Exactly what Reagan did, with the help of Alan Greenspan. Consider the following sequence of events:

1) President Reagan appointed Greenspan as chairman of the 1982 National Commission on Social Security Reform (aka The Greenspan Commission)

2) The Greenspan Commission recommended a major payroll tax hike to generate Social Security surpluses for the next 30 years, in order to build up a large reserve in the trust fund that could be drawn down during the years after Social Security began running deficits.

3) The 1983 Social Security amendments enacted hefty increases in the payroll tax in order to generate large future surpluses.

4) As soon as the first surpluses began to role in, in 1985, the money was put into the general revenue fund and spent on other government programs. None of the surplus was saved or invested in anything. The surplus Social Security revenue, that was paid by working Americans, was used to replace the lost revenue from Reagan’s big income tax cuts that went primarily to the rich.

5) In 1987, President Reagan nominated Greenspan as the successor to Paul Volker as chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. Greenspan continued as Fed Chairman until January 31, 2006. (One can only speculate on whether the coveted Fed Chairmanship represented, at least in part, a payback for Greenspan’s role in initiating the Social Security surplus revenue.)

6) In 1990, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York, a member of the Greenspan Commission, and one of the strongest advocates the the 1983 legislation, became outraged when he learned that first Reagan, and then President George H.W. Bush used the surplus Social Security revenue to pay for other government programs instead of saving and investing it for the baby boomers. Moynihan locked horns with President Bush and proposed repealing the 1983 payroll tax hike. Moynihan’s view was that if the government could not keep its hands out of the Social Security cookie jar, the cookie jar should be emptied, so there would be no surplus Social Security revenue for the government to loot. President Bush would have no part of repealing the payroll tax hike. The “read-my-lips-no-new-taxes” president was not about to give up his huge slush fund.

How Your Social Security Money Was Stolen ? Where Did the $2.5 Trillion Surplus Go? | AmpedStatus
It's not the liberals that have been trying to destroy Social Security for the last 70 years, it's the cons. So your "both parties are doing it", is just a con job.

 

[Gadawg73]

Social Security taxes are paid into the General Fund. Social security checks are paid from the General Fund. Government issued itself treasuries. So according to you, if I loan myself $1 million, I have a $1 million asset and a $1 million debt. Bull, I have nothing. Government or anyone else loaning themselves money isn't an asset.

Government took your social security payments and immediately spent the money. Nothing was ever saved, there was never an asset. They just wrote down how much they spent, and you gave the bills to your children. Both to pay social security, and to pay back the t-bills for the money that your generation spent as it came in. Fine, but you don't get to call it an asset, it's us paying your bills.

Thanks...

Isn't it amazing how ignorant the public is?
They believe there is money in social security.

What evidence do you have that states the Social Security Trust Fund is depleted?

Wow, if you do not know that ALL there is in the "Social Security Trust Fund" are IOUs then I have some beach front property for you in Austin for sale.
Give you a good deal on it.
There is NO MONEY in that fund.
Hate to break the bad news to you but Social Security is a PAY AS YOU GO system.
All the money goes into the general fund.
Uh, we have been running deficits for how long now?
Ever heard the word TRILLION?
Now tell us how many of those words WE ARE IN DEBT?