DOMA ruled unconstitutional

[bodecea]

And, if you dont think its a scary job, or that this type of "service" doesn't measure up to your GI Jane bravery...........ask the over 600 cops who've died in uniform in the State of Georgia if their service was scary or counted: Search for a Fallen Officer

Get over yourself bitch.

We get it....you had a scary job....nite scary job. So scary you had no time to pay attention to world and current events. You said so yourself. No argument here.

 

[Truthmatters]

It's also none of your business if someone has healthcare coverage or not, but you make it your business to force it on them.

Nope you are wrong.

that one does effect others.

so you fail

And gays getting sick because of AIDS is not a cost on the healthcare system and deformed children because of in breeding is not another cost on healthcare system?

it is also a cost on the system for people who have gene problems.

Do we make laws to keep them from procreating?

 

[g5000]

Somewhere out there is a page where homophobes go to get their talking points. I haven't found it yet, but the consistency of the idiocy they parrot is strong cirumstantial evidence it exists.

I swear this is one of the FAQs:

Q: Why do we oppose same sex marriage?

A: Because incest!

 

[Flopper]

Brothers and sisters also have the same right don't?

I dont care if bros and sis's get a civil union.


Its none of my business.

It is NOT the problem it used to be in our past.


In case you have not noticed you dont have to get married or have a civil union to have sex so the problem of then procreating has nothing to do with a civil union.


A civil union should NOT be about anything but the wishes of two people to legally entwine their lives for what ever reason they deem.


Then the churches can have back their word "marrige" and do what ever they want with it.

oh you don't care that brothers and sister get married? You do realize the added cost on healthcare because of inbred children will sky rocket?

There are good reason to ban incestuous marriages. Incestuous marriages lead to a high probability of congenital birth defects and narrow the gene pool which is damaging to society. The only reason to ban gay marriage is for religious reasons which should not be of any interest to the state. In fact, gay marriage has some very positive benefits for society. It certainly helps reduce overpopulation. Marriage makes people on average, healthier, happier and wealthier. For a couple raising kids, marrying is likelier to make them healthier, happier, and wealthier, too. Marriage is our best line of defense against financial, medical and emotional meltdown.

 

[KevinWestern]

True liberals will support incest, polygamy, beastiality, objectophilia, it's part of their twisted philosophy of freedom without even realizing that it's accepting of these things that is even more destructive than the person that does them.

First of all, I don't think this conversation had anything to do with incest, polygamy, beastiality, ect, so why bring it up? Is your goal to muddy the topic as laid by the original poster? Perhaps are you trying to twist the argument around to better suit your own personal agenda, because you don't have enough backing or reasons to debate the topic in its pure form?

Let's stay on track and focus on the main, relevant battle that is taking place in America today: should same-sex marriage between consenting adults be allowed?

Only an utterly insignificant portion of the population actually would participate in polygamy, incest, and beastiality, so again - why even bring it up? You're just wasting everyone's time!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

yet again the republican party stands on the WRONG side of history

YOU ARE ONE STUPID FUCK!

You know nothing of history!!

Says the guy with the failed flag as an avatar

So you wanna play?


Ok then.


What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery?

What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today?

What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote?

What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP?

What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation?

What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s?

What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables?

What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper?




Now watch TM run off!

 

[Nosmo King]

yet again the republican party stands on the WRONG side of history

How ironic.

You blame Republicans for being on the "wrong side of history" for DOMA, which was passed in 1996 under a Democrat president




BTW, I'm against DOMA. I believe it is a state's right. Glad it's gonna be gone. Dumbass Democrat Bill Clinton shouldn't have let this pass anyway.

And yet Republicans feebly take credit for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

 

[Dick Tuck]

And gays getting sick because of AIDS is not a cost on the healthcare system and deformed children because of in breeding is not another cost on healthcare system?

What the fuck did those hemophiliac children do to offend your sick god?

Sins of the parents blame them.

So you believe that parents who carry genes for hemophilia shouldn't reproduce?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What the fuck did those hemophiliac children do to offend your sick god?

Sins of the parents blame them.

So you believe it's sin rather than infective disease? You're an idiot.

And you think it's god to blame. fucking moron.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

why is that too much info?

Nothing really.

We figured you were an inbred idiot and now we know for sure.

Dear fucking idiot,

read that post again.

they were not related to me you fucking imbecile

Nice spin, but we're onto you.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

yet again the republican party stands on the WRONG side of history

How ironic.

You blame Republicans for being on the "wrong side of history" for DOMA, which was passed in 1996 under a Democrat president




BTW, I'm against DOMA. I believe it is a state's right. Glad it's gonna be gone. Dumbass Democrat Bill Clinton shouldn't have let this pass anyway.

And yet Republicans feebly take credit for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Yes that would be true.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Who invented the concept of homosexual "marriage" as a "civil right" ???

Comical

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let's answer.

What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP? Republicans and Democrats.

What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation? And which President said the Chief Justice Warren was his worst appointment?

What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s? Which party had the highest % of southern members in the Senate and House vote against them?

What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables? And which party's majority voted with him?

What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper? And which party' and its president has since surpassed Bush?

You are too easy to kick to the curb. What a trool!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Who invented the concept of homosexual "marriage" as a "civil right" ???

Comical

It has nothing to do with rights, gays want their lifestyle to appear normal, so if they can get an acceptance that gays can marry like normal people do, then in their mind they think people will look at them as normal.
They aren't they will always be ABNORMAL

 

[KevinWestern]

YOU ARE ONE STUPID FUCK!

You know nothing of history!!

Says the guy with the failed flag as an avatar

So you wanna play?


Ok then.


What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery?

What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today?

What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote?

What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP?

What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation?

What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s?

What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables?

What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper?




Now watch TM run off!

Let me get this straight, Lonestar-

You’re (A) praising the Republican party for the instances in history where they honorably supported liberty and freedom (by shrinking the size/power of government), while at the same time (B) supporting a stance within this thread (DOMA) that inhibits liberty and freedom by increasing the Authority of the Federal Government?

Sounds like a huge double standard to me…

In a nutshell, I'm more concerned about what the Republican Party represents TODAY, vs what it used to represent during the time of Abraham Lincoln.


.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Let's answer.

What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? And abandoned the freedmen and women in 1877 to keep the Presidency?

What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP? Republicans and Democrats.

What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation? And which President said the Chief Justice Warren was his worst appointment?

What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s? Which party had the highest % of southern members in the Senate and House vote against them?

What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables? And which party's majority voted with him?

What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper? And which party' and its president has since surpassed Bush?

You are too easy to kick to the curb. What a trool!

Well jake since the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights what are the usage of those amendments surely they have a purpose. How would they be applied?

 

[Nosmo King]

How ironic.

You blame Republicans for being on the "wrong side of history" for DOMA, which was passed in 1996 under a Democrat president




BTW, I'm against DOMA. I believe it is a state's right. Glad it's gonna be gone. Dumbass Democrat Bill Clinton shouldn't have let this pass anyway.

And yet Republicans feebly take credit for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Yes that would be true.

So only beneficial legislation gets credited to Republicans, in spite of who's in the White House. Conversely, legislation overturned in the courts gets pinned to Democrats, in spite of the circumstances. Got it. Consistency, the hallmark of a true champion (my High School track coach said that)

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Says the guy with the failed flag as an avatar

So you wanna play?


Ok then.


What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery?

What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today?

What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote?

What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP?

What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation?

What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s?

What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables?

What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper?




Now watch TM run off!

Let me get this straight, Lonestar-

You’re (A) praising the Republican party for the instances in history where they honorably supported liberty and freedom (by shrinking the size/power of government), while at the same time (B) supporting a stance within this thread (DOMA) that inhibits liberty and freedom?

Sounds like a huge double standard to me…

Abnormal is not normal and never will be.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I agree, it is a state issue, not a federal issue, just like the Immigration issue in Arizona and the Marijuana issue in California.

I believe the "issue" (such as it was) boiled down to a concern that if State "A" says a "marriage" is solely between a man and a woman, but State "B" says no no, a "marriage" can be between a man and a man or a woman and a woman, then because of the Full Faith and Credit obligation, State "A" will have to accept the "determination" of State "B."

So the DOMA law was designed (I believe) to make sure that marriage laws remained the province of each individual state.

Accordingly, if the SCOTUS reverses the lower court, this time, it could be legitimately argued that they would be engaged in genuinely conservative jurisprudence.

I wish ALL states would get OUT of the business of classifying the social contract between adults as "marriage." That should be the province of churches and synagogues, etc., not the province of the States. As far as the STATE is concerned, it should ALL be just a civil union contract. If a gay couple cannot get "married" in the Catholic Church, that is not a matter for the secular courts.

DOMA actually had two separate sections:

1. Under Congresses Article IV Section 1 authority relieved state for having to recognize one type of Civil Marriage based on gender.

2. Defined for federal purposes what a Civil Marriage was.​

If I'm reading the OP article correctly, #1 was not addressed by the Appeals Court. It was #2 that was at issue and only that piece was ruled unconstitutional.



>>>>

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And yet Republicans feebly take credit for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Yes that would be true.

So only beneficial legislation gets credited to Republicans, in spite of who's in the White House. Conversely, legislation overturned in the courts gets pinned to Democrats, in spite of the circumstances. Got it. Consistency, the hallmark of a true champion (my High School track coach said that)

Abnormal is not normal and never will be.