Donald Trump Calls For 'Complete Shutdown' Of Muslim Immigration To U.S.

[dannyboys]

...So why would anyone be opposed to Trump?

The list of reasons is legion.

The LibProgs around here do a decent job of conjuring up such lists, so I won't belabor the point here.

I really like his macro-level position on Illegal Aliens... get rid of them... although I perceive his methodology to be simple-minded and un-workable.

I really like his macro-level position on imposing huge tariffs upon foreign goods in order to level the playing field versus slave-wages cheap labor countries.

I really like his macro-level position on crucifying companies that move American jobs overseas and in bringing a manufacturing capacity back to the United States.

I really like his hard-ass mannerisms and tough-talking when it comes to dealing with both domestic opponents and foreign adversaries.

Having outlined four attractive and positive characteristics about him...

I want to take those four characteristics, and transplant them into a more stable, congenial, less arrogant and more experienced cranium.

And I do not want Trump anywhere NEAR the launch codes.

Many people dislike Trump for his NY take no prisoners 'attitude'. That's how you get things done in the world Trump has done business and succeeded in.
The genius, yes genius of Trump is to find the very best people in the world to work for him. He finds them and tasks them and leaves them alone to do their jobs. Trump listens to these experts and follows their advice.
President Trump will do the same thing. This approach will put America back on top in the global economy.
President Trump will listen to his top military generals and take their advice.

A "take no prisoners attitude" is not how things get done in Washington. A president can not direct congress or the Supreme Court to do anything. A president has millions of federal workers and military personnel at his command yet he can fire no one except the cabinet and advisers. He can issue executive orders but both congress and the supreme court can override his decisions. All of the president's legislation has to be introduce by congressmen and passed by congress. He's bound by his oath of office to carry out laws he does not agree with and he can not change.

A president's success will ultimately be determined by his support in congress, the media, and the people, none of which respond to rudeness, unpredictability, and pomposity.

The REPs are 100% guaranteed to maintain their majority in Congress. !00% guaranteed to control the Senate.
So where is Trump going to have any problems passing what they all want?
Trump has already told the 'media' they can go fuck themselves.
The 'media', I have recently noticed has 'softened' their anti-Trump LIB rhetoric.
HAA HAA!
I guess some of the LIB media 'talking heads' have decided they still want a job after Trump becomes the President.
The hilarious irony is the more the fucking LIB 'media' screamed what a 'Clown Car' Trump was a couple of months ago the higher Trumps poll numbers went up.
Chrissy Matthews must have got the memo from the DNC: "SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT TRUMP YOU ASSHOLE! YOU'RE HANDING TRUMP THE FUCKING PRESIDENCY!!!!!". Which is exactly what Matthews and that snarky bull-dyke Madcow have done.
Fucking hilarious!

 

[Flopper]

...A wall would keep the women, children, and old people out then they would only have to shoot the able body ones who climb the fence.

No need for any of that.

Make it a crime to give an Illegal a job, or sell or rent him a house or car, or to give him a bank account, let him wire money out of the country, etc., and Illegals will leave on their own. Unlike Mittens' limp-wristed first attempt at Self-Deportation, a second attempt should include laws that have some teeth in them, including the de-funding of Sanctuary Cities.

Yes, that certainly would encourage a lot of self removals however there is a couple of problems. First off, employers, bankers, landlords, etc would have to have an incredibly accurate means of determining who is allowed to work, have a bank account, rent or buy a home. E-Verify does not do this and it's very unlikely any such tool would ever be made available.

The problem with de-funding law enforcement agencies in sanctuary cities is that federal funding is a very small part of their budget. The federal funds that they receive support homeland security programs. If those funds were cut off then local enforcement would just shutdown those programs and the number deportations of felons would go down.

 

[Flopper]

A "take no prisoners attitude" is not how things get done in Washington. A president can not direct congress or the Supreme Court to do anything. A president has millions of federal workers and military personnel at his command yet he can fire no one except the cabinet and advisers. He can issue executive orders but both congress and the supreme court can override his decisions. All of the president's legislation has to be introduce by congressmen and passed by congress. He's bound by his oath of office to carry out laws he does not agree with and he can not change.

A president's success will ultimately be determined by his support in congress, the media, and the people, none of which respond to rudeness, unpredictability, and pomposity.

You mean like protecting the border?
He should be impeached for failing to follow his oath of office.

No, Trump has to be first elected. Then he can violate his oath of office and be impeached.

Obama should be impeached for not allowing our border guards to do their jobs.

In 2013, Obama deported over 435,00 illegal immigrant, more than any president in history. In 2014, he deported 414,000, more than Bush or Clinton. Although deportations are down in 2015, they still exceed deportations by any other president.

Tracking Obama’s deportation numbers
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Obama changed the definition of "deported" to include people apprehended at the border, so that statistic is pure bullshit.

No, Obama did not redefine deportation. It is as it always has been. A person who is being removed from the country via a deportation order is counted as being deported.

I think you're referring to the catch and release policy which was abandoned not under Obama but George Bush in response to strong criticism that it encouraged illegal immigration.

Deporting illegal immigrants instead of just releasing at the boarder has increased the number deported by both the Bush and Obama administration. However, more important is that deportation carries penalties for repeat offenders and is believed to be reducing the number illegal entries. Repeated illegal entries after being deported is now a felony and can be punished by imprisonment.

 

[Kondor3]

...First off, employers, bankers, landlords, etc would have to have an incredibly accurate means of determining who is allowed to work, have a bank account, rent or buy a home. E-Verify does not do this and it's very unlikely any such tool would ever be made available...

Simple. Everybody does a one-time Proof-of-Citizenship interaction with their State, and the State then embeds their citizenship status on Drivers Licenses, State IDs, etc. And it's rendered as both human eye-readable and resident on a chip, just as all the new credit cards are doing. Cheap. Un-forge-able. Readable by humans and machines.

No ID? No job. No housing. No banking. No wire-services. No this. No that. No nuthin'.

...The problem with de-funding law enforcement agencies in sanctuary cities is that federal funding is a very small part of their budget. The federal funds that they receive support homeland security programs. If those funds were cut off then local enforcement would just shutdown those programs and the number deportations of felons would go down.

Not if the Feds address that issue with a 'selective de-funding'...

And, to make it hurt even more, the Feds can turn off the faucet for Federal pass-through dollars ( Fed > State > Sanctuary City ) for other purposes, as well.

And, if that doesn't work, the Feds turn off the faucet for States that refuse to bring their Sanctuary Cities to heel.

We'll see how long Liberals standing alongside Illegal Aliens rather than their own countrymen endures, once the metaphorical water is turned off.

 

[Flopper]

. And it's rendered as both human eye-

...First off, employers, bankers, landlords, etc would have to have an incredibly accurate means of determining who is allowed to work, have a bank account, rent or buy a home. E-Verify does not do this and it's very unlikely any such tool would ever be made available...

Simple. Everybody does a one-time Proof-of-Citizenship interaction with their State, and the State then embeds their citizenship status on Drivers Licenses, State IDs, etc. And it's rendered as both human eye-readable and resident on a chip, just as all the new credit cards are doing. Cheap. Un-forge-able. Readable by humans and machines.

No ID? No job. No housing. No banking. No wire-services. No this. No that. No nuthin'.

...The problem with de-funding law enforcement agencies in sanctuary cities is that federal funding is a very small part of their budget. The federal funds that they receive support homeland security programs. If those funds were cut off then local enforcement would just shutdown those programs and the number deportations of felons would go down.

Not if the Feds address that issue with a 'selective de-funding'...

And, to make it hurt even more, the Feds can turn off the faucet for Federal pass-through dollars ( Fed > State > Sanctuary City ) for other purposes, as well.

And, if that doesn't work, the Feds turn off the faucet for States that refuse to bring their Sanctuary Cities to heel.

We'll see how long Liberals standing alongside Illegal Aliens rather than their own countrymen endures, once the metaphorical water is turned off.

The problem is we would need a database(s) of those that are allowed to work, rent or purchase a home, or have a bank account. There are over 300 million people who would be affected. Just a .1% error rate would mean 3 million people would not be denied work, or a place to live. We would need a huge government bureaucracy to collect the information and maintain databases in all the states plus the federal government. Even then, there would be many people denied jobs and a place to live because the database were not up to date with current information. Would we really want government controlling our lives to this extent? And would this stop employers from hiring illegals and renting them homes? Of course not. They would continue just as they as do now, unless we expanded government to monitor all employment, and home rentals and sales.

You can stop federal funds for illegal immigrant reporting to a law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. You can not stop federal funds flowing to a separate entity, say a school district or state medicaid funding in order to punish some law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. That would not make it through the courts.

 

[ABikerSailor]

...First off, employers, bankers, landlords, etc would have to have an incredibly accurate means of determining who is allowed to work, have a bank account, rent or buy a home. E-Verify does not do this and it's very unlikely any such tool would ever be made available...

Simple. Everybody does a one-time Proof-of-Citizenship interaction with their State, and the State then embeds their citizenship status on Drivers Licenses, State IDs, etc. And it's rendered as both human eye-readable and resident on a chip, just as all the new credit cards are doing. Cheap. Un-forge-able. Readable by humans and machines.

No ID? No job. No housing. No banking. No wire-services. No this. No that. No nuthin'.

...The problem with de-funding law enforcement agencies in sanctuary cities is that federal funding is a very small part of their budget. The federal funds that they receive support homeland security programs. If those funds were cut off then local enforcement would just shutdown those programs and the number deportations of felons would go down.

Not if the Feds address that issue with a 'selective de-funding'...

And, to make it hurt even more, the Feds can turn off the faucet for Federal pass-through dollars ( Fed > State > Sanctuary City ) for other purposes, as well.

And, if that doesn't work, the Feds turn off the faucet for States that refuse to bring their Sanctuary Cities to heel.

We'll see how long Liberals standing alongside Illegal Aliens rather than their own countrymen endures, once the metaphorical water is turned off.

So...............as a good Christian, you support instituting the Mark of the Beast.

Good to know.

 

[Kondor3]

...The problem is we would need a database(s) of those that are allowed to work, rent or purchase a home, or have a bank account...

Nope. Merely citizenship status credentials embedded on ID cards, issued by each State. Each person brings proof of citizenship to the DMV, etc., as a one-time shot.

...would this stop employers from hiring illegals and renting them homes?...

Routine public (metaphorical) crucifixions for those who violate the law would fix that right up.

...They would continue just as they as do now...

Doubtful, if business folk see a few of their own hit with huge fines and prison time. Ditto for landlords.

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...unless we expanded government to monitor all employment, and home rentals and sales...

No need. A sustained effort of random but substantive spot-checks and audits should do the trick.

...You can stop federal funds for illegal immigrant reporting to a law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. You can not stop federal funds flowing to a separate entity, say a school district or state medicaid funding in order to punish some law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. That would not make it through the courts.

Selective funding and de-funding not make it through the courts? Why not?

Oh, and, just to be clear, it seems unlikely that it is a law enforcement agency here and there, failing to enforce the law, rather, and far more likely, it is misguided LibProg city councils doing this.

 

[Kondor3]

...So...............as a good Christian, you support instituting the Mark of the Beast. Good to know.

1. I am not a 'good' Christian... I"m a 'bad' one... more like an agnostic (Doubting Thomas) with Christian leanings and sympathies

2. What-the-hell are you talking about, with that mark-of-the-Beast happy horseshit?

 

[ABikerSailor]

...So...............as a good Christian, you support instituting the Mark of the Beast. Good to know.

1. I am not a 'good' Christian... I"m a 'bad' one... more like an agnostic (Doubting Thomas) with Christian leanings and sympathies

2. What-the-hell are you talking about, with that mark-of-the-Beast happy horseshit?

Your no ID, no nothing policy, you can't buy, sell, rent, etc unless you have the pre approved ID. In Revelation it speaks of the same policy for anyone that doesn't have the mark of the beast.

 

[Kondor3]

...So...............as a good Christian, you support instituting the Mark of the Beast. Good to know.

1. I am not a 'good' Christian... I"m a 'bad' one... more like an agnostic (Doubting Thomas) with Christian leanings and sympathies

2. What-the-hell are you talking about, with that mark-of-the-Beast happy horseshit?

Your no ID, no nothing policy, you can't buy, sell, rent, etc unless you have the pre approved ID. In Revelation it speaks of the same policy for anyone that doesn't have the mark of the beast.

You equate an ID requirement to the mark of the Beast?

Uhhhhhh... yeah... thank you for your feedback... next contestant, please.

 

[Flopper]

...The problem is we would need a database(s) of those that are allowed to work, rent or purchase a home, or have a bank account...

Nope. Merely citizenship status credentials embedded on ID cards, issued by each State. Each person brings proof of citizenship to the DMV, etc., as a one-time shot.

...would this stop employers from hiring illegals and renting them homes?...

Routine public (metaphorical) crucifixions for those who violate the law would fix that right up.

...They would continue just as they as do now...

Doubtful, if business folk see a few of their own hit with huge fines and prison time. Ditto for landlords.

[

...unless we expanded government to monitor all employment, and home rentals and sales...

No need. A sustained effort of random but substantive spot-checks and audits should do the trick.

...You can stop federal funds for illegal immigrant reporting to a law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. You can not stop federal funds flowing to a separate entity, say a school district or state medicaid funding in order to punish some law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. That would not make it through the courts.

Selective funding and de-funding not make it through the courts? Why not?

Oh, and, just to be clear, it seems unlikely that it is a law enforcement agency here and there, failing to enforce the law, rather, and far more likely, it is misguided LibProg city councils doing this.

You're talking about a huge bureaucracy regardless of whether you break it up among 50 states or do it at the federal level. It is not near as simple as you seem to think. Most state would certainly not take on an effort so large to enforce federal law which does not fall under their jurisdiction.

The right to transfer property is so basic that no court is going to allow a state law to prohibit it even if the buyer or renter isn't documented.

 

[Vigilante]

Another Terrorist muslim attack in Columbus Ohio yesterday...IF Trump's NO MORE FUCKING MUSLIM'S policy was in effect, 4 American citizens wouldn't be in the hospital today!

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Perfect

Perfect? What's perfect about it? Does it also apply to Christian immigration into the U.S.?

are christians blowing up cities in other countries right now?
Its a good idea to keep the goat humping wife beating sand monkeys out until things calm down.

 

[Flopper]

Another Terrorist muslim attack in Columbus Ohio yesterday...IF Trump's NO MORE FUCKING MUSLIM'S policy was in effect, 4 American citizens wouldn't be in the hospital today!

Not likely. He was out the country 4 years ago. Since then he's been in the US, high on drugs. What his warped reason for the attack at this point is unknown. Law enforcement suspects that this is a lone wolf attack.

 

[Vigilante]

Another Terrorist muslim attack in Columbus Ohio yesterday...IF Trump's NO MORE FUCKING MUSLIM'S policy was in effect, 4 American citizens wouldn't be in the hospital today!

Not likely. He was out the country 4 years ago. Since then he's been in the US, high on drugs. What his warped reason for the attack at this point is unknown. Law enforcement suspects that this is a lone wolf attack.

BULLSHIT!

 

[Kondor3]

...The problem is we would need a database(s) of those that are allowed to work, rent or purchase a home, or have a bank account...

Nope. Merely citizenship status credentials embedded on ID cards, issued by each State. Each person brings proof of citizenship to the DMV, etc., as a one-time shot.

...would this stop employers from hiring illegals and renting them homes?...

Routine public (metaphorical) crucifixions for those who violate the law would fix that right up.

...They would continue just as they as do now...

Doubtful, if business folk see a few of their own hit with huge fines and prison time. Ditto for landlords.

[

...unless we expanded government to monitor all employment, and home rentals and sales...

No need. A sustained effort of random but substantive spot-checks and audits should do the trick.

...You can stop federal funds for illegal immigrant reporting to a law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. You can not stop federal funds flowing to a separate entity, say a school district or state medicaid funding in order to punish some law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. That would not make it through the courts.

Selective funding and de-funding not make it through the courts? Why not?

Oh, and, just to be clear, it seems unlikely that it is a law enforcement agency here and there, failing to enforce the law, rather, and far more likely, it is misguided LibProg city councils doing this.

You're talking about a huge bureaucracy regardless of whether you break it up among 50 states or do it at the federal level. It is not near as simple as you seem to think. Most state would certainly not take on an effort so large to enforce federal law which does not fall under their jurisdiction.

The right to transfer property is so basic that no court is going to allow a state law to prohibit it even if the buyer or renter isn't documented.

We disagree about the scale of the effort.

As to property, etc., that is only one component of a more Draconian approach to making our environment legally hostile to Illegal Aliens.

There would be dozens... or scores.. of approach-vector's that would work... it's merely a matter of imagination and persistence.

Given that such an undertaking would be designed to not only flush-out the Illegals already here, but to make it legally too hot for an Illegal to both coming here in future, the effort would be well worthwhile.

The country has been hearing the same No-Can-Do pessimism coming from the Left for decades... time to put it to the test, and consequences be damned.

 

[Wildman]

What his warped reason for the attack at this point is unknown. Law enforcement suspects that this is a lone wolf attack.

i can tell you the reason !!

Somali Muslim Mohamed Barry hacked four people with a machete at a Columbus restaurant Thursday.

Mohamed entered the Nazareth Restaurant and hacked four people with a machete before he was shot dead.
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being a muslime, he hates anyone who is not muslime and his koran tells him to kill all infidels. read the koran to learna bout the truth about muslimes. OK ?

 

[Flopper]

...The problem is we would need a database(s) of those that are allowed to work, rent or purchase a home, or have a bank account...

Nope. Merely citizenship status credentials embedded on ID cards, issued by each State. Each person brings proof of citizenship to the DMV, etc., as a one-time shot.

...would this stop employers from hiring illegals and renting them homes?...

Routine public (metaphorical) crucifixions for those who violate the law would fix that right up.

...They would continue just as they as do now...

Doubtful, if business folk see a few of their own hit with huge fines and prison time. Ditto for landlords.

[

...unless we expanded government to monitor all employment, and home rentals and sales...

No need. A sustained effort of random but substantive spot-checks and audits should do the trick.

...You can stop federal funds for illegal immigrant reporting to a law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. You can not stop federal funds flowing to a separate entity, say a school district or state medicaid funding in order to punish some law enforcement agency that fails to cooperate. That would not make it through the courts.

Selective funding and de-funding not make it through the courts? Why not?

Oh, and, just to be clear, it seems unlikely that it is a law enforcement agency here and there, failing to enforce the law, rather, and far more likely, it is misguided LibProg city councils doing this.

You're talking about a huge bureaucracy regardless of whether you break it up among 50 states or do it at the federal level. It is not near as simple as you seem to think. Most state would certainly not take on an effort so large to enforce federal law which does not fall under their jurisdiction.

The right to transfer property is so basic that no court is going to allow a state law to prohibit it even if the buyer or renter isn't documented.

We disagree about the scale of the effort.

As to property, etc., that is only one component of a more Draconian approach to making our environment legally hostile to Illegal Aliens.

There would be dozens... or scores.. of approach-vector's that would work... it's merely a matter of imagination and persistence.

Given that such an undertaking would be designed to not only flush-out the Illegals already here, but to make it legally too hot for an Illegal to both coming here in future, the effort would be well worthwhile.

The country has been hearing the same No-Can-Do pessimism coming from the Left for decades... time to put it to the test, and consequences be damned.

Many people do not feel about undocumented immigrants as you do, people that depend on them to pick their crops, build their homes, and work in their business.

The solution is much cheaper than building more government bureaucracy and creating citizen databases that can put big brother more into our lives. We can reduce the number of illegal immigrant significantly simply by creating a new visa for unskilled workers that does not require they have family members in the US. It will not only cut the number of illegal immigrants entering the country but relieve labor shortages and keep prices down.

These silly proposals to build walls around the country, and spend hundreds of billions of dollar to deport people will just lead to labor shortages and higher prices. In 10 years from now we'll be inviting the people we're deporting today back into the country. Fallen birth rates in Mexico and an expanding middle class is creating a labor shortages in low cost unskilled labor in Mexico as well as the US.

U.S. Will Look To Mexico For Immigrants Within A Decade Due To Labor Shortage, Expert Says

 

[dannyboys]

For starters any claim that there is an "expanding middle class" is a lie.
The "middle class' is becoming the 'lower-middle class' and falling.
For decades Mexican labor was used to harvest crops. These Mexicans entered the US legally. They followed the crops from the south to the north. They made their money and took it home where they were able to provide good lives for their families.
All this has changed. First and foremost another LIB bullshit lie is that in the future more cheap mexican labor will be needed.
There is no reason why as many mexicans as are needed to harvest crops can't be allowed to enter the US on worker visas as they always have been. Only as many as needed though.
Second. And critical to understand is modern crop harvesting technology has reduced the need for 'hand-harvested' crops by 60%. In a decade that number will be 80%.
Specialty grown crops designed for automated harvesting are literally popping up everywhere. There are now peach orchards, which in the past must be hand-harvested which are being pruned specifically so one man with a specially designed 'picker' can harvest in one day what it took a hundred mexicans a day to harvest ten years ago.
This whole 'we need illegals' to harvest crops is total LIB bullshit.
What the LIBs want is to allow millions of potential LIB voters into the country illegally and then 'game' the system to get these illegals voting cards.

 

[Kondor3]

...U.S. Will Look To Mexico For Immigrants Within A Decade Due To Labor Shortage, Expert Says

We have all the labor we need... right here... amongst our fellow citizens.