sangha
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- Jun 1, 2010
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So with all the scripture that can be found in the Bible, this is the best response you can come up with to support your argument? You're kidding, right?
When you can find scripture that actually refutes my claim (instead of irrelevant quotes that you dishonestly claim are relevant), let me know.
In the meantime, only a wingnut like you would argue that "it is necessary to submit to the authorities" means "it is NOT necessary to submit to the authorities" because I only have one biblical quote.
I have proven my point, but I'll break it down for you so you can understand more clearly:
WHO HAS THE GREATER AUTHORITY: GOD, ... OR THE NATION'S (Roman's 13) AUTHORITY:
2 PETER 2: 9-10
... the Lord knows how to deliver the GODLY out of temptation and to reserve the UNJUST under punishment for the day of judgement, and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise Authority. They are presumptuous, SELF-willed.
Authority refers to God's authority. This is explained under ANOTHER scripture: MATTHEW 28: 18 (see below)
PSALMS 24: 1
The earth is the Lord's and all it's fullness.
PSALMS 47: 2-3
For the Lord Most High is awesome; He is a great King OVER all the earth. He will subdue the peoples under us, and the NATIONS under our feet.
1 TIMOTHY 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and Man Christ Jesus.
MATTHEW 28:18
"And Jesus came and spoke to them saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and earth.'
MATTHEW 6:33
But seek FIRST the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness (notice who is first here, there is no mention of any nation)
ACTS 17: 24-26
'God who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made of hands. Nor is He worshipped with man's hands as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood EVERY NATION of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings'
The scriptures above point to God's authority being GREATER than ANY nation's authority.
1) Can YOU Sangha, show me in Biblical scripture where a "Nation's" authority is GREATER than obeying God's authority, and what God requires? (This will require more than just ROMANS 13)
What does God require (Obedience):
ROMANS 2: 8-12
"But for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the TRUTH, but obey unrighteousness --- indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law."
LEVITICUS 11: 44
'For I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy for I am Holy.'
ROMANS 12: 2
And do not be conformed to THIS WORLD but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God
JAMES 4: 4
Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God
These above scriptures points to obedience of God's "Authority", and what He REQUIRES, as being GREATER than obeying the nations of the world. Christians are not required by God to submit to worldly authority, where it CONFLICTS with what God requires.
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1 CORINTHIANS 1: 20
Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
Idiot christians don't understand that Romans 13 clearly states that the authorities are appointed by God and that God Himself said that the authorities are Gods' agents.
All you've done is prove that Gods' authority is greater than the govts' authority. Nothing you posted contradicts Romans 13 requirement that "it is necessary to submit to the authorities"
Let me know when you have a biblical quote that says "it is NOT necessary to submit to the authorities"