Ed Snowden is a traitor

[TakeAStepBack]

I'm sorry, we're talking about two different Ed Snowdens. The one I'm talking about did a lot more than release information that the NSA was holding collected information too long.

If the NSA violates the 4th amendment ever - even once - that means anyone who has taken an oath to protect secrets is free to release any and all secrets they choose to the public?

BTW - can you show us where the 4th amendment says how long the NSA may keep collected data?

Right. He exposed criminal conduct of the NSA. He was under no obligation to maintain secrecy regarding criminal activity. In fact, just teh opposite.

Well, the NSA DID violate the fourth A. So exposing their criminal activity exonerates Snowden from any liability. In the same fashion a state agent would participate in criminal activity to expose bigger crimes.

BTW - moving the goal posts doesn't make you look any smarter, Junior.

You keep calling it "criminal activity."


Can you please name the last person who was convicted, as a criminal, for violation of the 4th amendment?

I has already been ruled that the NSA is in violation of the 4th amendment. What do we call people in violation of the law, genius?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

How can he be a traitor for exposing "secrets" when Obama claims those "secrets" are phoney scandals? if they are phoney scandals, then he clearly didn't expose anything real and thus didn't commit any crime.

Because he took and oath not to reveal what he revealed. duh.

But the President has said that it's a phoney scandal. Meaning it's untrue. You can't be prosecuted for revealing secrets that aren't real.

If say the government hires me and makes it illegal to expose the secret that grass is really red and that the government paints it every night to make it look green, and then I say the grass is purple have I exposed a secret that I promised not to expose?

Now either Snowden is exposing secrets and Obama is lying to the people. Or Obama is telling the truth and Snowden can't possibly be found guilty of exposing something that doesn't exist.

I'm having trouble figuring out how you've got it in your head that "scandal" and "secret" are the same word. Is it a scandal for the government to keep secrets?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

That's just the facts. Snowden revealed the information to the american people. Whether or not al qaeda (i thought they were decimated adn on the run????) knows how to use the internet is not SNowden's problem. He didn't give them the information. He gave it o a journalist who did what journalists do.

He exposed the NSA criminal conduct to the american people.

What crime exactly was committed?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Irrelevant. The government has no authority to classify and make secret its illegal activity (I'd say criminal, but then you would ask why I call people who violate the law criminals). We are a nation of laws. Not a nation of government gets to decide which laws it will follow and which ones it will not.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Right. He exposed criminal conduct of the NSA. He was under no obligation to maintain secrecy regarding criminal activity. In fact, just teh opposite.

Well, the NSA DID violate the fourth A. So exposing their criminal activity exonerates Snowden from any liability. In the same fashion a state agent would participate in criminal activity to expose bigger crimes.

BTW - moving the goal posts doesn't make you look any smarter, Junior.

You keep calling it "criminal activity."


Can you please name the last person who was convicted, as a criminal, for violation of the 4th amendment?

I has already been ruled that the NSA is in violation of the 4th amendment. What do we call people in violation of the law, genius?

Can you please show us the statute that specifies the criminal penalties for violation of the 4th amendment?

Thanks!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

That's just the facts. Snowden revealed the information to the american people. Whether or not al qaeda (i thought they were decimated adn on the run????) knows how to use the internet is not SNowden's problem. He didn't give them the information. He gave it o a journalist who did what journalists do.

He exposed the NSA criminal conduct to the american people.

What crime exactly was committed?

The illegal confiscation of private property, genius.

 

[Contumacious]

Ed Snowden is a traitor

.....to the principles espoused by the American Communist Party , OohPooPahDoo, Commissar.

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[OohPooPahDoo]

We are a nation of laws.

If I take an oath to protect government secrets - and the law says I must keep those secrets or suffer criminal penalties - that means I can release whatever secrets I want and not suffer the penalties, right?

Is that what a nation of laws is?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Ed Snowden is a traitor

.....to the principles espoused by the American Communist Party , OohPooPahDoo, Commissar.

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I had no idea the communists passed the espionage act.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

That's just the facts. Snowden revealed the information to the american people. Whether or not al qaeda (i thought they were decimated adn on the run????) knows how to use the internet is not SNowden's problem. He didn't give them the information. He gave it o a journalist who did what journalists do.

He exposed the NSA criminal conduct to the american people.

What crime exactly was committed?

The illegal confiscation of private property, genius.

Whose property?

 

[Lovebears65]

Edward may have broken the law, but he blew the lid off of a major unconstitutional spying ring known as the National Security Administration.

Unconstitutional according to what authority?

to the constitution idiot 4th Amendment

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Edward may have broken the law, but he blew the lid off of a major unconstitutional spying ring known as the National Security Administration.

Unconstitutional according to what authority?

to the constitution idiot 4th Amendment

Where does the 4th amendment say the NSA is unconstitutional?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You keep calling it "criminal activity."


Can you please name the last person who was convicted, as a criminal, for violation of the 4th amendment?

I has already been ruled that the NSA is in violation of the 4th amendment. What do we call people in violation of the law, genius?

Can you please show us the statute that specifies the criminal penalties for violation of the 4th amendment?

Thanks!

We dont need one.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

What crime exactly was committed?

The illegal confiscation of private property, genius.

Whose property?

This is the last answer I'm giving you. Im not here to give you attention because you lack the ability to form a coherent debate. The property of the citizens of the united states, asshat.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I has already been ruled that the NSA is in violation of the 4th amendment. What do we call people in violation of the law, genius?

Can you please show us the statute that specifies the criminal penalties for violation of the 4th amendment?

Thanks!

We dont need one.

So in a nation of laws, we don't need a law telling us which criminal penalties apply to criminals?

OK.

 

[Katzndogz]

We are a nation of laws.

If I take an oath to protect government secrets - and the law says I must keep those secrets or suffer criminal penalties - that means I can release whatever secrets I want and not suffer the penalties, right?

Is that what a nation of laws is?

Snowden took an oath to protect the Constitution which he considered a higher oath than the one he took to protect the criminals in government.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The illegal confiscation of private property, genius.

Whose property?

This is the last answer I'm giving you. Im not here to give you attention because you lack the ability to form a coherent debate. The property of the citizens of the united states, asshat.

I haven't noticed anything missing. What property did they take from me?

 

[Contumacious]

Ed Snowden is a traitor

.....to the principles espoused by the American Communist Party , OohPooPahDoo, Commissar.

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I had no idea the communists passed the espionage act.

Well now you know. Go forth and sin no more.

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[OohPooPahDoo]

We are a nation of laws.

If I take an oath to protect government secrets - and the law says I must keep those secrets or suffer criminal penalties - that means I can release whatever secrets I want and not suffer the penalties, right?

Is that what a nation of laws is?

Snowden took an oath to protect the Constitution which he considered a higher oath than the one he took to protect the criminals in government.

So if I take an oath to protect the Constitution, I can release whatever secrets I want, right?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

.....to the principles espoused by the American Communist Party , OohPooPahDoo, Commissar.

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I had no idea the communists passed the espionage act.

Well now you know. Go forth and sin no more.

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Wilson was a communist?