Electoral College CAN elect Hillary

[boedicca]

Can and Should are not synonymous.

Just sayin'.

 

[Pogo]

Ah I dunno -- I read in here where one guy claims that.

The fact remains ---- the POTUS and VPOTUS are elected by the EC, not by the voters, and it's out of our hands. Actually it was never in our hands. The entire Election Day charade is a sham. People oughta know that by now but clearly they don't.

waaaaaaaaa...its a sham....bad mad win mommy...it not fair, waaaaa!

That's very eloquent and I'm sure it's cute if you're David Vitter dressed for his call girl. But it has nothing to do with this topic.

Look you anti-American SOB, your wanting to usurp Democracy. I have no use for you.

Democracy???

A majority voted for Clinton... She got more votes...

The EC in this case is not Democracy... At least admit that...

The truth is the EC doesn't have to vote in favour of the way the state voted, it is actually up to them... That is the Constitution.
Saying that I would be very surprised if they didn't vote that way.

This is what happens when the constitution is the size of a postage stamp. This kind of stuff is left open.

But lets not get any pretence of democracy, the President is going to elected by the EC not the people.

The truth is that certain people in America get higher representation than others.

And don't worry we we talk about Single Transfer Vote, Proportion Representation.... for another cycle and exactly nothing will happen..

Yes, California gets more representation that other states with 56 electoral votes.

Oh really. They added one then?

Pop quiz: which state has the highest population? Just take a wild guess.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So the OP is advocating sedition, the overthrow of the newly elected govt, the treason / betrayal of the American people....

Liberals are really good at that.

They don't even see it's SHIT LIKE THIS that makes us NOT want THEM in power!

Have you been mixing aerosol cans again?

The OP is examining how the EC works. Which by the way hasn't happened yet, and there is no "newly elected govt". You too should go read the Constitution and learn how it works.

Please point out where it has ever swung an election.

 

[Pogo]

Ah I dunno -- I read in here where one guy claims that.

The fact remains ---- the POTUS and VPOTUS are elected by the EC, not by the voters, and it's out of our hands. Actually it was never in our hands. The entire Election Day charade is a sham. People oughta know that by now but clearly they don't.

waaaaaaaaa...its a sham....bad mad win mommy...it not fair, waaaaa!

That's very eloquent and I'm sure it's cute if you're David Vitter dressed for his call girl. But it has nothing to do with this topic.

Look you anti-American SOB, your wanting to usurp Democracy. I have no use for you.

Democracy???

A majority voted for Clinton... She got more votes...

The EC in this case is not Democracy... At least admit that...

The truth is the EC doesn't have to vote in favour of the way the state voted, it is actually up to them... That is the Constitution.
Saying that I would be very surprised if they didn't vote that way.

This is what happens when the constitution is the size of a postage stamp. This kind of stuff is left open.

But lets not get any pretence of democracy, the President is going to elected by the EC not the people.

The truth is that certain people in America get higher representation than others.

And don't worry we we talk about Single Transfer Vote, Proportion Representation.... for another cycle and exactly nothing will happen..

Of course it's democracy. Within each state they had a democratic electoral process as per the Constitution. States rights.

Oh they did, did they.
Can you show us where in the Constitution that is then?

Do you have any idea how your country works at all, or are you just winging it?

 

[Crixus]

With Michigan there will be too many to flip. if the republican electors flip for clinton ANYWHERE, there will be a million people on their doorstep lined up to kick their ass.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "kicking their ass". Face it, the EC vote is up to them; the voters have no control over that.

Its not so simple. Fact is Hillary lost and lost by allot. It would not end at electors.

 

[Pogo]

So the OP is advocating sedition, the overthrow of the newly elected govt, the treason / betrayal of the American people....

Are you suffering from Paranoia? I don't see the OP advocating anything at all.

No, not at all.

Hillary betrayed 4 Americans who fought for their lives...and now Hillary and her seditious followers are threatening the lives of Electoral College voters, trying to intimidate them, and trying to get them to betray the voters who have spoken, who REJECTED Hillary...AGAIN.

Actually she's leading by over two million votes with the count still going on.
It's 48.2% to 46.5%.

Wanna see the numbers?

Give it up.

Give what up? The numbers?

OK this is going out by special request to Poppy Vote and all the gang down at the Vision Thing®

Rump: ..62,418,820 (46.5%)
Clinton 64,654,483 (48.2%)

About two and a quarter million.

 

[Pogo]

With Michigan there will be too many to flip. if the republican electors flip for clinton ANYWHERE, there will be a million people on their doorstep lined up to kick their ass.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "kicking their ass". Face it, the EC vote is up to them; the voters have no control over that.

Its not so simple. Fact is Hillary lost and lost by allot. It would not end at electors.

Yup, she "lost by a lot". Rump is ahead of her by negative 2¼ million.

We've reached a 'special' place in the art of denialism when we can look right at 64.6 and call it a "smaller" number than 62.4.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It would be interesting to see how many electors freely changed their votes and how many would have been bullied into it.

Maybe we should start badgering the Clinton people to change their votes too.

Electoral voters ‘deluged’ with death threats in multiple states

 

[Sun Devil 92]

With Michigan there will be too many to flip. if the republican electors flip for clinton ANYWHERE, there will be a million people on their doorstep lined up to kick their ass.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "kicking their ass". Face it, the EC vote is up to them; the voters have no control over that.

Its not so simple. Fact is Hillary lost and lost by allot. It would not end at electors.

Yup, she "lost by a lot". Rump is ahead of her by negative 2¼ million.

We've reached a 'special' place in the art of denialism when we can look right at 64.6 and call it a "smaller" number than 62.4.

And that matters why ?

We've never elected a president on popular vote.

 

[kaz]

“Opponents of President-elect Donald Trump are trying to persuade Republican electors to vote against him next month ……
Electors meet in their state capitals to cast their ballots; this year, that will take place Dec. 19. ………

Do electors have to vote the way their state voted?
The Constitution is silent on this point, which suggests electors can go their own way.

This is certainly the thinking behind petitions and a handful of Clinton electors urging
Republican electors to abandon Trump.
In 29 states, there are either statutes or party
rules that theoretically bind electors to honor state results.
But the penalty for becoming
a "faithless elector" is typically a fine measured in the hundreds of dollars.”

IOW: With no fear of significant legal punishment the Electoral College CAN elect Hillary

Can electors vote for Clinton rather than Trump? How the electoral college works

ps: the reward for becoming a "faithless elector" could be immense
and
the penalty for not being a "faithless elector" could also be immense

Consider all the Republicans who support Obama policies.

"carrot and stick"

"when ya got’em by the balls, you can make'em see the light"

Trump won. It's time for the children to grow up now. Have a good cry. Play with your crayons and Playdoh for a while and move on to reality

 

[kaz]

With Michigan there will be too many to flip. if the republican electors flip for clinton ANYWHERE, there will be a million people on their doorstep lined up to kick their ass.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "kicking their ass". Face it, the EC vote is up to them; the voters have no control over that.

Its not so simple. Fact is Hillary lost and lost by allot. It would not end at electors.

Yup, she "lost by a lot". Rump is ahead of her by negative 2¼ million.

We've reached a 'special' place in the art of denialism when we can look right at 64.6 and call it a "smaller" number than 62.4.

And that matters why ?

We've never elected a president on popular vote.

Yes, Trump didn't run for the popular vote. It's a childish canard that Hillary would have won if those had been the rules. The left just won't give up their butt hurt. They can't deal with that they lost, so they change the rules after the game. If someone else did that to them, they would suddenly get how stupid it is

 

[Pogo]

So the OP is advocating sedition, the overthrow of the newly elected govt, the treason / betrayal of the American people....

Liberals are really good at that.

They don't even see it's SHIT LIKE THIS that makes us NOT want THEM in power!

Have you been mixing aerosol cans again?

The OP is examining how the EC works. Which by the way hasn't happened yet, and there is no "newly elected govt". You too should go read the Constitution and learn how it works.

Please point out where it has ever swung an election.

The EC?
1876. 1888. 1824. Sometimes with a push from Congress when nobody won it.

Fun fact: no POTUS has ever been elected with a popular vote deficit of 1.7% (the current Rump gap) without Congress having to intervene.

Gore's was 0.51%, just over the population of Wyoming (at the time).
Clinton's 1.7 (so far) exceeds the population of Wyoming, Alaska, both Dakotas, New Mexico, West Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and half a dozen other states.

 

[kaz]

With Michigan there will be too many to flip. if the republican electors flip for clinton ANYWHERE, there will be a million people on their doorstep lined up to kick their ass.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "kicking their ass". Face it, the EC vote is up to them; the voters have no control over that.

Its not so simple. Fact is Hillary lost and lost by allot. It would not end at electors.

Yup, she "lost by a lot". Rump is ahead of her by negative 2¼ million.

We've reached a 'special' place in the art of denialism when we can look right at 64.6 and call it a "smaller" number than 62.4.

Denialism is better demonstrated by denying you lost an election by changing the rules after it is over.

You want PV? Get the rules changed. But you still didn't win this election, no one ran for the popular vote. Get over the butt hurt. Liberals believe you are entitled to elections. You aren't

 

[whitehall]

Will there be mass suicides on the left when the Electoral College does it's freaking job? The left has become so unbalanced and border line psychotic that you never know.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If the popular vote had been the rule, Trump would have lost by 7 million votes.

Trump is going to get the same fair chance from America that Obama got from the far right. Every single day.

 

[Crixus]

Will there be mass suicides on the left when the Electoral College does it's freaking job? You never know.

Would that be a bad thing ?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Be careful what you wish for Dimocrats, this kind of anarchy could backfire in your face.

 

[JakeStarkey]

With Michigan there will be too many to flip. if the republican electors flip for clinton ANYWHERE, there will be a million people on their doorstep lined up to kick their ass.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "kicking their ass". Face it, the EC vote is up to them; the voters have no control over that.

Its not so simple. Fact is Hillary lost and lost by allot. It would not end at electors.

Yup, she "lost by a lot". Rump is ahead of her by negative 2¼ million.

We've reached a 'special' place in the art of denialism when we can look right at 64.6 and call it a "smaller" number than 62.4.

Denialism is better demonstrated by denying you lost an election by changing the rules after it is over.

You want PV? Get the rules changed. But you still didn't win this election, no one ran for the popular vote. Get over the butt hurt. Liberals believe you are entitled to elections. You aren't

Kaz, no one is changing the rules. But the losers have the constitutional right to demand recounts and there is no federal law against trying to persuade the electors to vote differently than the popular vote in their states.

 

[kaz]

So the OP is advocating sedition, the overthrow of the newly elected govt, the treason / betrayal of the American people....

Liberals are really good at that.

They don't even see it's SHIT LIKE THIS that makes us NOT want THEM in power!

Have you been mixing aerosol cans again?

The OP is examining how the EC works. Which by the way hasn't happened yet, and there is no "newly elected govt". You too should go read the Constitution and learn how it works.

Please point out where it has ever swung an election.

The EC?
1876. 1888. 1824. Sometimes with a push from Congress when nobody won it.

Fun fact: no POTUS has ever been elected with a popular vote deficit of 1.7% (the current Rump gap) without Congress having to intervene.

Gore's was 0.51%, just over the population of Wyoming (at the time).
Clinton's 1.7 (so far) exceeds the population of Wyoming, Alaska, both Dakotas, New Mexico, West Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and half a dozen other states.

And yet he easily won the electoral college. California, New York, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts and other deep blue States have well oiled machines. Millions of Republicans in those States don't show up. Again, no one ran for the popular vote. If you want to argue that should be the rule, fine, do that. But get over the but hurt that we should change the rules for an election when it's over.

NO ONE RAN FOR THE POPULAR VOTE

 

[JakeStarkey]

So the OP is advocating sedition, the overthrow of the newly elected govt, the treason / betrayal of the American people....

Liberals are really good at that.

They don't even see it's SHIT LIKE THIS that makes us NOT want THEM in power!

Have you been mixing aerosol cans again?

The OP is examining how the EC works. Which by the way hasn't happened yet, and there is no "newly elected govt". You too should go read the Constitution and learn how it works.

Please point out where it has ever swung an election.

The EC?
1876. 1888. 1824. Sometimes with a push from Congress when nobody won it.

Fun fact: no POTUS has ever been elected with a popular vote deficit of 1.7% (the current Rump gap) without Congress having to intervene.

Gore's was 0.51%, just over the population of Wyoming (at the time).
Clinton's 1.7 (so far) exceeds the population of Wyoming, Alaska, both Dakotas, New Mexico, West Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and half a dozen other states.

And yet he easily won the electoral college. California, New York, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts and other deep blue States have well oiled machines. Millions of Republicans in those States don't show up. Again, no one ran for the popular vote. If you want to argue that should be the rule, fine, do that. But get over the but hurt that we should change the rules for an election when it's over.

NO ONE RAN FOR THE POPULAR VOTE

Easily? He won by 38 electoral votes. And lost by 7 million popular votes.

This will be far, far harder for him than the Bush the Younger.