Zone1 Embryos and Personhood

[ding]

Shaman ding has spoken!

More like normalization of deviance has spoken.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

More like normalization of deviance has spoken.

Well you are entitled to whatever goofy and skewed worldview you like.

 

[ding]

Well you are entitled to whatever goofy and skewed worldview you like.

You are free to believe and behave any way you want but you are not free to avoid the consequences.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You are free to believe and behave any way you want but you are not free to avoid the consequences.

Irrelevant babbling.

 

[Mac-7]

With abortion does ”full personhood” mean that unless a woman is at death’s door, she cannot act to save her life?

The right to life applies to the mother also

Abortion is justified if its the only way to save the life of the mother

 

[ding]

Irrelevant babbling.

Leave it to you to dismiss cause and effect.

 

[luiza]

The Elohim have an interesting perspective .

The Soul is incarnated into the body after birth and usually not for some considerable time after .
A new "take" and one that we should hear much more about in the not too distant future .
So I am informed .

Makes a lot of sense , imho

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I have science. Don't dehumanize human life to assuage your guilty conscience.

You are being a goofball, ding. You have your opinion, but a few cells of a fetus is not yet human.

 

[ding]

You are being a goofball, ding. You have your opinion, but a few cells of a fetus is not yet human.

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...."

Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Does not matter what you think. The scientific academy, as you know, disagrees generally with you.

Now you can have the last say and we can let it go.

 

[ding]

Does not matter what you think. The scientific academy, as you know, disagrees generally with you.

Now you can have the last say and we can let it go.

No. They agree 100% with me. See?

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

“It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.”

F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Although it is customary to divide human development into prenatal and postnatal periods, it is important to realize that birth is merely a dramatic event during development resulting in a change in environment.”

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology fifth edition, Moore and Persaud, 1993, Saunders Company, page 1

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Freidman. Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Publishers. 1974 Pages 17 and 23.

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”

Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”
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James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”

Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

“A zygote (a single fertilized egg cell) represents the onset of pregnancy and the genesis of new life.”

Turner, J.S., and Helms, D.B., Lifespan Developmental, 2nd ed., CBS College Publishing (Holt, Rhinehart, Winston), 1983, page 53

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”

Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3

“Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism…. At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun…. The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life.”

Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand’s Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, [at conception] the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974

“The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote.”

Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.

“In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. … Fertilization takes place in the oviduct … resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”

Essentials of Human Embryology, William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.

“Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed… Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments… The zygote … is a unicellular embryo..”

From Human Embryology & Teratology, Ronan R. O’Rahilly, Fabiola Muller, (New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996), 5-55.

“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18:

 

[JohnDB]

Is keeping an embryo in a freezer a form of kidnapping or hostage holding?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Embryos and Personhood 240324 {post•109}

After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being #109

Embryos and Personhood 240227 {post•3} Rambunctious Feb’24 Seapyz: The left and their media of course want to try and link it to abortion rights and it has nothing to do with that... •¥• Trump to his credit didn't fall for it... rmbncts 240827 Seapyz00003

Embryos and Personhood 240229 {post•49} NotfooledbyW Feb’24 Veapyz: “If the unborn are not “persons” then why don’t women have a right of reasonable access to a safe abortion? weeks.” nfbw 240229 Veapuz00049 to Seapyz00003

Embryos and Personhood 240325 {post•113}

Tell us Shaming Baby Fetus’ Monmies Saint Ding if Saving Baby Fetus Saint Rambunctious is correct in POST Seapyz0010 to deny personhood to baby fetus, therefore we have agreement that baby fetus does not have the same right to life and protections by the state as all human beings who have met a live birth requirement, as specified in the US Constitution, do?

So Ssint Ding why does it matter if “After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being” There is no human rights to that event for abut 21 weeks when fetal viability is reached sufficient to survive outside the womb.
nfbw 240325 Veapyz00113 to Seapyz00109

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Christianity and our founding fathers 240312 {post•213}

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Embryos and Personhood 240229 {post•50} JohnDB Feb’24 Seapyz: “The common scripture used is where God tells David (I knew and formed you in your mother's womb)” jvhndb 240239 Seapyz00050


Embryos and Personhood 240325 {post•114}

David was Jewish. His belief when he fought Goliath and knocked him on his ass because he belonged to the NSA (National Slingshot Association) was most likely that God forms you in the womb but he breathes spirituality into your material body when you emerge into the world and take your first breath.

Life‘s individual value does not begin at conception in Jewish lore.

So there is that Saint John.db

nfbe 240325 Veapyz00114 to Scaoff00213 & Seapyz00050

 

[JohnDB]

Christianity and our founding fathers 240312 {post•213}


Embryos and Personhood 240229 {post•50} JohnDB Feb’24 Seapyz: “The common scripture used is where God tells David (I knew and formed you in your mother's womb)” jvhndb 240239 Seapyz00050


Embryos and Personhood 240325 {post•114}

David was Jewish. His belief when he fought Goliath and knocked him on his ass because he belonged to the NSA (National Slingshot Association) was most likely that God forms you in the womb but he breathes spirituality into your material body when you emerge into the world and take your first breath.

Life‘s individual value does not begin at conception in Jewish lore.

So there is that Saint John.db

nfbe 240325 Veapyz00114 to Scaoff00213 & Seapyz00050

Well....
I probably ain't exactly a saint....I have the distinct impression that God looks at me through one squinted eye like he smelled something bad....but that's a digression.

And where I have an opinion spiritually on the matter....that doesn't mean that I know how to codify it into law...or if the lawmakers could, would, or should do so.

However....
Since it's Easter and it's relevant. Simon of Cyrene (kyreen) is the focus. (In Libya) Cyrene was noted for a few things...horses and the abortion herb Silphium.
Silphium was why he was in the most prominent position in the old city herb/spice market. Silphium was an abortifacient. Often used as a means of birth control. This herb was harvested into extinction.

Simon was despised but wealthy from selling his product. Soldiers didn't like him due to cheating wives at home. So he was made to carry Jesus's cross piece for him. I don't like that imagery whatsoever.

Cyrene, Libya - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[ding]

At conception a new person - as evidenced by their DNA - has come into existence.

 

[Curried Goats]

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...."

Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

You've made the case that fertilized human eggs are unique human beings, I'm not sure who was arguing otherwise but ok. Now make the case they are deserving of any legal rights.

 

[ding]

You've made the case that fertilized human eggs are unique human beings, I'm not sure who was arguing otherwise but ok. Now make the case they are deserving of any legal rights.

That's for the states to decide. There are competing interests. However to argue there are no competing interests is disingenuous.

 

[ding]

I'm not sure who was arguing otherwise but ok.

There were several posters arguing otherwise.

 

[Curried Goats]

That's for the states to decide. There are competing interests. However to argue there are no competing interests is disingenuous.

Who's interests?

There were several posters arguing otherwise.

I'll take your word for it.