End Labels part 1

[Contumacious]

Let's see what Founding Father and 3rd US President had to say about it:

4. Resolved that ALIEN-friends are under the jurisdiction and protection[7] of the laws of the state wherein they are; that no power over them has been delegated to the US. nor prohibited to the individual states distinct from their power over citizens: and it being true as a general principle, and one of the Amendments to the constitution having also declared, that ‘the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people,’ the act of the Congress of the US. passed on the day of July 1798. intituled ‘an Act concerning Aliens’ which assumes powers over Alien-friends not delegated by the constitution is not law, but is altogether void & of no force.[8]

Thomas Jefferson

I hereby adopt Prez Jefferson's position

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You'll note he is saying the states should regulate citizenship, not the federal government. Of course this before the civil war amendments destroyed the republic.

The States NEVER gave up the right to control immigration within their borders. A matter recognized by SCOTUS in 1892.



MR. CHIEF JUSTICE FULLER, after stating the facts in the foregoing language, delivered the opinion of the Court.


" previous to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States, every state had the undoubted right to confer on whomsoever it pleased the character of citizen, and to endow him with all its rights. But this character, of course, was confined to the boundaries of the state, and gave him no rights or privileges in other states beyond those secured to him by the laws of nations and the comity of states. Nor have the several states surrendered the power of conferring these rights and privileges by adopting the Constitution of the United States. Each state may still confer them upon an alien, or anyone it thinks proper, or upon any class or description of persons; yet he would not be a citizen in the sense in

Page 143 U. S. 160

 

[The Rabbi]

I read all kinds of posts on this forum and the labels that everyone constantly places on each other only seem to hold back debates. I propose we go at least one thread without throwing out liberal, conservative, democrat, or republican. Independent and any other generic political term should not be used either. Instead let's just simply talk about our own ideas free from any anchor or politicians point of view.

So here: United States domestic policy on immigration. How do we fix it and help the families who are calling for reform without the projected strains this will place on the economy?

let's start with leaving the issue to the law which is very well functioning and the agency which is also pretty streamlined and organized.

and forget about it.

When it was not politicized to the point of absurdity, everything was working by itself.

Enforce the existing laws and stop whining about it.

If the law were functioning well there wouldn't be a debate on illegal immigration. In fact the law is a gross failure.

 

[RKMBrown]

I read all kinds of posts on this forum and the labels that everyone constantly places on each other only seem to hold back debates. I propose we go at least one thread without throwing out liberal, conservative, democrat, or republican. Independent and any other generic political term should not be used either. Instead let's just simply talk about our own ideas free from any anchor or politicians point of view.

So here: United States domestic policy on immigration. How do we fix it and help the families who are calling for reform without the projected strains this will place on the economy?

let's start with leaving the issue to the law which is very well functioning and the agency which is also pretty streamlined and organized.

and forget about it.

When it was not politicized to the point of absurdity, everything was working by itself.

Enforce the existing laws and stop whining about it.

If the law were functioning well there wouldn't be a debate on illegal immigration. In fact the law is a gross failure.

Who is this law person that is not functioning?