ENOUGH....Time for Gun Control....NOW

[Dr Grump]

However, the right is an individual right, not limited only to the militia..

I disagree.

Facts in evidence prove your opinion to be wrong.

What facts?

 

[Dr Grump]

He's a socialist, he can't help it...

I'm a centrist.

 

[Dr Grump]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

I've addressed this ad nauseum in other threads. Needless to say, not only are you wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Nobody gives a fuck about guns down here. It is never an election issue. In 1996 when the ban was placed it was a political issue. If the Prime Minister of the time, John Howard, had not put in place the ban, and it had been the ONLY election issue, he would have been ousted in a heart beat. Very popular piece of legislation...

 

[Rustic]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

I've addressed this ad nauseum in other threads. Needless to say, not only are you wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Nobody gives a fuck about guns down here. It is never an election issue. In 1996 when the ban was placed it was a political issue. If the Prime Minister of the time, John Howard, had not put in place the ban, and it had been the ONLY election issue, he would have been ousted in a heart beat. Very popular piece of legislation...

Put another shrimp on the Barbie…

 

[Skull Pilot]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

I've addressed this ad nauseum in other threads. Needless to say, not only are you wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Nobody gives a fuck about guns down here. It is never an election issue. In 1996 when the ban was placed it was a political issue. If the Prime Minister of the time, John Howard, had not put in place the ban, and it had been the ONLY election issue, he would have been ousted in a heart beat. Very popular piece of legislation...

Yeah I'll take your word over the Australian Bureau of Crime Research

And just because it's popular doesn't mean it's effective.

Sheep like you tend to agree with everything your masters do

 

[Crixus]

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Sorry, children. It's time to make it harder to get your shiny, dangerous toys. Too many loonies out there. Every week now.

The "GOOD GUY WITH A GUN" at Walmart ended up in the hospital in Las Vegas. SO there goes that Wayne LaPierre bullshit myth.

Make it harder for us, the ones who don't do the shooting and not harder for the bad guys? Very proshooter stance there.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yeah I'll take your word over the Australian Bureau of Crime Research

And just because it's popular doesn't mean it's effective.

Sheep like you tend to agree with everything your masters do

That isn't issue (the ABCR). There are many other issues at stake.

Of course it is effective. There have been no mass shootings since the ban was in place.

In the 10 years I have been on here I have asked several righties to debate me on my lack of freedoms vs your apparent unfettered freedoms? Why? Because I certainly feel a lot freer down here than I would up there. Nobody has ever taken up that offer. I wonder why.

Just because you think you're free doesn't mean you are. You are a slave to the NRA and your combative mindset that makes you fear your govt and think you need a gun. I don't fear my govt. If they piss me off, I'll vote them out.

 

[Crixus]

Yeah I'll take your word over the Australian Bureau of Crime Research

And just because it's popular doesn't mean it's effective.

Sheep like you tend to agree with everything your masters do

That isn't issue (the ABCR). There are many other issues at stake.

Of course it is effective. There have been no mass shootings since the ban was in place.

In the 10 years I have been on here I have asked several righties to debate me on my lack of freedoms vs your apparent unfettered freedoms? Why? Because I certainly feel a lot freer down here than I would up there. Nobody has ever taken up that offer. I wonder why.

Just because you think you're free doesn't mean you are. You are a slave to the NRA and your combative mindset that makes you fear your govt and think you need a gun. I don't fear my govt. If they piss me off, I'll vote them out.

That's fine for you. Far as I'm concerned there is no debate. I can have guns. It's the law period. You can not have guns. It's the law period. There is no debate really. I own guns because I want to and I can. Good enough for me.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I also think that M14 shooter and others like him are fools.

Says the Foolish Child

They rely on a false premise, that "arms' control is prohibited by the 2nd A.

This s a lie.
Not once have I argued that the 2nd prohibits all gun control. Not once.

Why do you have to lie to make your points?

 

[Conservative65]

[
Shit for brains, in this part of the country handguns outnumber people many times over - more firearms = less crime. You are a stupid fucker LOL

Yeah, America is a crime-free Utopia thanks to the second...

There is a lot less crime were firearms outnumber people… Fact

Statement: "There is a lot less crime were firearms outnumber people… Fact"

Statement is stupid ... FACT!

Correlation does not prove cause and effect! The assumption, that "correlation proves causation," is a logical fallacy and only argued by the poorly educated, liars or fools. Sorry Rustic, the truth hurts as you seem to have proved the trifecta.

Thanks for admitting Liberals are poorly educated, liars, or fools. They assume correlation proves causation on a regular basis.

 

[Conservative65]

There is a lot less crime were firearms outnumber people… Fact

Statement: "There is a lot less crime were firearms outnumber people… Fact"

Statement is stupid ... FACT!

Correlation does not prove cause and effect! The assumption, that "correlation proves causation," is a logical fallacy and only argued by the poorly educated, liars or fools. Sorry Rustic, the truth hurts as you seem to have proved the trifecta.

Rural areas of the country... Firearms outnumber people many, many times over. A fraction of the crime that happens every single day in urban areas… Fact

Once again, Correlation does not prove cause and effect!

When people who would rob a house know that a large percentage of homeowners in an area own firearms are they more or less likely to attempt a home break in?

Very few homes suffer home invasions, burglary is usually committed when no one is home.

Nothing in my position on gun control has ever proposed that the 2nd A. Right be repealed. I respect the right to own and possess a gun to protect one's home or business as long as the gun owner is sane, sober and responsible. Thus my advocacy for Licensing and Registration, which ought to be a states right's issue, and one supported by responsible gun owners.

The issues isn't whether or not you've proposed the 2nd Amendment be repealed but that you are one of those that wants to define sane, sober, and responsible. That way, you can get what you get the same result and can deny you really oppose the 2nd amendment. With what you say you support, you prove you want a certain end result without having to admit that's what you want. It's like Bill Clinton's depends on what the definition of "is" is. It's how Liberals operate.

 

[whitehall]

Most of the "gun control" people have no idea of how much control the government already has over the Bill of Rights. Typical of low information idiots, they rely on political slogans and left wing bumper stickers and inane cartoons demeaning old white guys and Fox instead of examining the facts and they never let a tragedy go to waste. You can bet your ass(ets) that the same anti 2nd Amendment nuts have their eye on the 1st Amendment and maybe a couple more. The only thing in the way of the brave new socialist world that low information idiots envision is that pesky Constitution. .

 

[jc456]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

I've addressed this ad nauseum in other threads. Needless to say, not only are you wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Nobody gives a fuck about guns down here. It is never an election issue. In 1996 when the ban was placed it was a political issue. If the Prime Minister of the time, John Howard, had not put in place the ban, and it had been the ONLY election issue, he would have been ousted in a heart beat. Very popular piece of legislation...

and so?

 

[jc456]

Yeah I'll take your word over the Australian Bureau of Crime Research

And just because it's popular doesn't mean it's effective.

Sheep like you tend to agree with everything your masters do

That isn't issue (the ABCR). There are many other issues at stake.

Of course it is effective. There have been no mass shootings since the ban was in place.

In the 10 years I have been on here I have asked several righties to debate me on my lack of freedoms vs your apparent unfettered freedoms? Why? Because I certainly feel a lot freer down here than I would up there. Nobody has ever taken up that offer. I wonder why.

Just because you think you're free doesn't mean you are. You are a slave to the NRA and your combative mindset that makes you fear your govt and think you need a gun. I don't fear my govt. If they piss me off, I'll vote them out.

no man is free. We are a society and in a society there have always been rules. One must follow the rules or pay the consequences. Your point is what?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Second Amendment is all anyone needs for their "firearms license" in this country. As it should be.... Lol

I disagree. Americans have shown they are not mature enough to allow the 2nd to stand.

Really? 99.999 percent of the gun owners never commit a crime. There is a proven 8% of the criminal population that commits 80% of the violent crime. So you think it is correct to penalize 90 million people for the actions of less than 100,000? You're a fool.

Those who own, have in their custody and control a gun, kill innocent people, sometimes in mass. I think that's a problem. 99.999999% of people with a mental illness do not kill people with guns, yet the NRA and its members want to single them out as the problem. How many of 99.999% of gun owners are drunks, drug addicts, wife beaters and suffer from mental illness?

99.999999% of criminals never kill anyone, yet the NRA and its members want to deprive them of their 2nd A Rights.

The policy of the NRA, no control, no way, enables the 00000.1% who should never own or possess a gun to get one.

 

[jc456]

The Second Amendment is all anyone needs for their "firearms license" in this country. As it should be.... Lol

I disagree. Americans have shown they are not mature enough to allow the 2nd to stand.

Really? 99.999 percent of the gun owners never commit a crime. There is a proven 8% of the criminal population that commits 80% of the violent crime. So you think it is correct to penalize 90 million people for the actions of less than 100,000? You're a fool.

Those who own, have in their custody and control a gun, kill innocent people, sometimes in mass. I think that's a problem. 99.999999% of people with a mental illness do not kill people with guns, yet the NRA and its members want to single them out as the problem. How many of 99.999% of gun owners are drunks, drug addicts, wife beaters and suffer from mental illness?

99.999999% of criminals never kill anyone, yet the NRA and its members want to deprive them of their 2nd A Rights.

The policy of the NRA, no control, no way, enables the 00000.1% who should never own or possess a gun to get one.

so no gun laws, now you're talking. You just indicated they don't work.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Statement: "There is a lot less crime were firearms outnumber people… Fact"

Statement is stupid ... FACT!

Correlation does not prove cause and effect! The assumption, that "correlation proves causation," is a logical fallacy and only argued by the poorly educated, liars or fools. Sorry Rustic, the truth hurts as you seem to have proved the trifecta.

Rural areas of the country... Firearms outnumber people many, many times over. A fraction of the crime that happens every single day in urban areas… Fact

Once again, Correlation does not prove cause and effect!

When people who would rob a house know that a large percentage of homeowners in an area own firearms are they more or less likely to attempt a home break in?

Very few homes suffer home invasions, burglary is usually committed when no one is home.

Nothing in my position on gun control has ever proposed that the 2nd A. Right be repealed. I respect the right to own and possess a gun to protect one's home or business as long as the gun owner is sane, sober and responsible. Thus my advocacy for Licensing and Registration, which ought to be a states right's issue, and one supported by responsible gun owners.

The issues isn't whether or not you've proposed the 2nd Amendment be repealed but that you are one of those that wants to define sane, sober, and responsible. That way, you can get what you get the same result and can deny you really oppose the 2nd amendment. With what you say you support, you prove you want a certain end result without having to admit that's what you want. It's like Bill Clinton's depends on what the definition of "is" is. It's how Liberals operate.

I don't get to define sober, sane and responsible, that is for a legislature to determine. Is one DUI or two the determining factor of a sober person, is one detained as a danger to himself or others sane or not?

As usual your facts germinate between your ears, where reality never resides.

 

[westwall]

The Second Amendment is all anyone needs for their "firearms license" in this country. As it should be.... Lol

I disagree. Americans have shown they are not mature enough to allow the 2nd to stand.

Really? 99.999 percent of the gun owners never commit a crime. There is a proven 8% of the criminal population that commits 80% of the violent crime. So you think it is correct to penalize 90 million people for the actions of less than 100,000? You're a fool.

Those who own, have in their custody and control a gun, kill innocent people, sometimes in mass. I think that's a problem. 99.999999% of people with a mental illness do not kill people with guns, yet the NRA and its members want to single them out as the problem. How many of 99.999% of gun owners are drunks, drug addicts, wife beaters and suffer from mental illness?

99.999999% of criminals never kill anyone, yet the NRA and its members want to deprive them of their 2nd A Rights.

The policy of the NRA, no control, no way, enables the 00000.1% who should never own or possess a gun to get one.

Now you're simply lying. The NRA is all for PEOPLE control. We have ample evidence that the only people affected by gun control laws are the law abiding. We know this. France has every anti gun law you want and they had a single mass shooting that killed more people than all of the mass shootings in the USA over the last 15 years. Add in Norway, another wry catcher approved country and between the two of them you have more unfortunate people killed than have been killed in the USA in over 20 years.

So, your gun control don't work dude. The NRA says if you use a gun to commit a crime you go to prison. In the US legal system the use a gun go to jail laws are the first crimes that get plead away by the DA's. YOU progressives constantly fight to release violent criminals back out into society. Why is that? YOU progressives are constantly opening the door for violent criminals to come here from violent third world counties. Why is that? Not enough violent criminals here for you that you feel the need to import more?

Face it dude, the reason why we have so much violence here is because of progressives like you who have never met a violent criminal you didn't like.

 

[Conservative65]

Rural areas of the country... Firearms outnumber people many, many times over. A fraction of the crime that happens every single day in urban areas… Fact

Once again, Correlation does not prove cause and effect!

When people who would rob a house know that a large percentage of homeowners in an area own firearms are they more or less likely to attempt a home break in?

Very few homes suffer home invasions, burglary is usually committed when no one is home.

Nothing in my position on gun control has ever proposed that the 2nd A. Right be repealed. I respect the right to own and possess a gun to protect one's home or business as long as the gun owner is sane, sober and responsible. Thus my advocacy for Licensing and Registration, which ought to be a states right's issue, and one supported by responsible gun owners.

The issues isn't whether or not you've proposed the 2nd Amendment be repealed but that you are one of those that wants to define sane, sober, and responsible. That way, you can get what you get the same result and can deny you really oppose the 2nd amendment. With what you say you support, you prove you want a certain end result without having to admit that's what you want. It's like Bill Clinton's depends on what the definition of "is" is. It's how Liberals operate.

I don't get to define sober, sane and responsible, that is for a legislature to determine. Is one DUI or two the determining factor of a sober person, is one detained as a danger to himself or others sane or not?

As usual your facts germinate between your ears, where reality never resides.

What makes the legislature experts in those matters? They would be defined using politics not reality.

Seems between your ears is where shit resides.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Second Amendment is all anyone needs for their "firearms license" in this country. As it should be.... Lol

I disagree. Americans have shown they are not mature enough to allow the 2nd to stand.

Really? 99.999 percent of the gun owners never commit a crime. There is a proven 8% of the criminal population that commits 80% of the violent crime. So you think it is correct to penalize 90 million people for the actions of less than 100,000? You're a fool.

Those who own, have in their custody and control a gun, kill innocent people, sometimes in mass. I think that's a problem. 99.999999% of people with a mental illness do not kill people with guns, yet the NRA and its members want to single them out as the problem. How many of 99.999% of gun owners are drunks, drug addicts, wife beaters and suffer from mental illness?

99.999999% of criminals never kill anyone, yet the NRA and its members want to deprive them of their 2nd A Rights.

The policy of the NRA, no control, no way, enables the 00000.1% who should never own or possess a gun to get one.

Now you're simply lying. The NRA is all for PEOPLE control. We have ample evidence that the only people affected by gun control laws are the law abiding. We know this. France has every anti gun law you want and they had a single mass shooting that killed more people than all of the mass shootings in the USA over the last 15 years. Add in Norway, another wry catcher approved country and between the two of them you have more unfortunate people killed than have been killed in the USA in over 20 years.

So, your gun control don't work dude. The NRA says if you use a gun to commit a crime you go to prison. In the US legal system the use a gun go to jail laws are the first crimes that get plead away by the DA's. YOU progressives constantly fight to release violent criminals back out into society. Why is that? YOU progressives are constantly opening the door for violent criminals to come here from violent third world counties. Why is that? Not enough violent criminals here for you that you feel the need to import more?

Face it dude, the reason why we have so much violence here is because of progressives like you who have never met a violent criminal you didn't like.

Well 'dude' we are talking about "arms" control, if we are speaking to the wording of the 2nd A. And unless you are employed by an agency of the criminal justice system, you have no experience other than TV on how the process works. And in the future, address me as "Sir" or "Mr. Catcher".