EPA Wants Gov't To Control How Cold Your Beer Can Be

[Bfgrn]

Have you noticed that YOU out of the hundreds of liberal users on this forum, are the ONLY one defending this bullshit?

Have you noticed this is just another baseless fear-mongering right wing conspiracy? You people are afraid of your own shadow.

Idaho is far from a leftist haven. Yet experts - from both environmental and industry camps - agree that improving energy efficiency is the cheapest way to keep the utility's rates down. The same is true for individual customers.

Are you also afraid of the 'Floor' buttons in an elevator? Or do we need to bring back human elevator operators so you will not be so afraid?

A smart grid makes changes to supply and demand instantly, preventing power outages and brownouts that manual operators can't react to as quickly and AUTOMATICALLY.

A smart grid is LESS intrusive because it does not need human interdiction.

And the future two way capabilities will allow anyone who invests in solar or wind power, like a farmer, to sell power back to the grid.

It is FREE MARKET, not communism. You right wing turds are REALLY being led down a scurrilous path here.

All of this is YOUR opinion.
Smart grid, smart meters, etc is one thing. The lazy way out.
Instead of modernizing the technology of the grid, smart regulates use. The additional costs get passed along to the customers. And we get rolling brown outs.
No thanks.

Smart meters are part of the modernization. It gives each consumer the ability to see his own power use and contol HIS costs. It will also allow people who invest in solar, wind or other home based power sources to sell his power back to the grid.

We don't have an energy grid in this country that can carry these new currents of energy. Our energy grid is antiquated. It was under-built, it is already overpowered, and it's misaligned. It doesn't reach the big wind centers in the Midwest, the solar centers in the desert southwest, and it's small. It is dumb. It's a dumb grid and it's incapable of doing long whole transmission of energy. Virtually every farmer in the state of North Dakota wants to put wind turbines on their property, and you have huge mountains of private capital, big players like Siemens and Vestas and General Electric and Warren Buffet and T. Boone Pickens all want to go there. There's huge piles of cash surrounding the state of North Dakota, waiting to build turbines on every property. Every farm in North Dakota wants to build a turbine. Why? Because a North Dakota cornfield is worth $800. If it's got a wind turbine on it, it's worth 3,000. We have the ability now with wind, to create prosperity in declining world economies, to create jobs and to enrich farmers and to allow them to hold on to their farms, which is a really critical part of democracy.

The problem is the North Dakota wind farmer cannot get his product to market -- the electrons to market because the electrons will diffuse in our current lines before they cross the North Dakota border. So they can't reach Cincinnati or Cleveland, Columbus, Saint Louis, New Orleans or New York. And we need to build a unified national grid that will connect these renewable power generation centers to the markets in our country, the same way that Eisenhower built the national highway systems back in the 60s. We need to do that with the grid and we need to build the smart grid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

These are the same folks that gave us light bulbs that when broken, require a hazmat team for cleanup.

They ain't very bright... no pun intended.

Yep, if you break one you are to immediately turn off the furnace/AC, and evacuate the premises for an hour. Then with a proper mask and gloves, you can reenter, pick up the shards of glass, put them in a "hazardous waste" bag, and drive it to where ever they accept that. Then you are to return home, vacuum the area, and drive it to the same site. If you drop more than one, breathe deeply....you're about to meet your Maker.

Don't forget these bulbs are 5 times the price, last about the same time as incandescent bulbs and the life of CFL's cannot be guaranteed if the user happens to switch off the light then turn it back on more than a few times.
I would not buy one of these things with play money.
Obviously, companies that invested in the campaigns of the idiots that legislated the use of CFL's got a great big kickback from the federal government.
Anyway, by the time incandescent bulbs are supposed to be taken out of production, LED lighting will be the way to go.
LED's use MUCH less electricity, last ten times or more and cost about the same or less as CFL's.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Have you noticed this is just another baseless fear-mongering right wing conspiracy? You people are afraid of your own shadow.

Idaho is far from a leftist haven. Yet experts - from both environmental and industry camps - agree that improving energy efficiency is the cheapest way to keep the utility's rates down. The same is true for individual customers.

Are you also afraid of the 'Floor' buttons in an elevator? Or do we need to bring back human elevator operators so you will not be so afraid?

A smart grid makes changes to supply and demand instantly, preventing power outages and brownouts that manual operators can't react to as quickly and AUTOMATICALLY.

A smart grid is LESS intrusive because it does not need human interdiction.

And the future two way capabilities will allow anyone who invests in solar or wind power, like a farmer, to sell power back to the grid.

It is FREE MARKET, not communism. You right wing turds are REALLY being led down a scurrilous path here.

All of this is YOUR opinion.
Smart grid, smart meters, etc is one thing. The lazy way out.
Instead of modernizing the technology of the grid, smart regulates use. The additional costs get passed along to the customers. And we get rolling brown outs.
No thanks.

Smart meters are part of the modernization. It gives each consumer the ability to see his own power use and contol HIS costs. It will also allow people who invest in solar, wind or other home based power sources to sell his power back to the grid.

We don't have an energy grid in this country that can carry these new currents of energy. Our energy grid is antiquated. It was under-built, it is already overpowered, and it's misaligned. It doesn't reach the big wind centers in the Midwest, the solar centers in the desert southwest, and it's small. It is dumb. It's a dumb grid and it's incapable of doing long whole transmission of energy. Virtually every farmer in the state of North Dakota wants to put wind turbines on their property, and you have huge mountains of private capital, big players like Siemens and Vestas and General Electric and Warren Buffet and T. Boone Pickens all want to go there. There's huge piles of cash surrounding the state of North Dakota, waiting to build turbines on every property. Every farm in North Dakota wants to build a turbine. Why? Because a North Dakota cornfield is worth $800. If it's got a wind turbine on it, it's worth 3,000. We have the ability now with wind, to create prosperity in declining world economies, to create jobs and to enrich farmers and to allow them to hold on to their farms, which is a really critical part of democracy.

The problem is the North Dakota wind farmer cannot get his product to market -- the electrons to market because the electrons will diffuse in our current lines before they cross the North Dakota border. So they can't reach Cincinnati or Cleveland, Columbus, Saint Louis, New Orleans or New York. And we need to build a unified national grid that will connect these renewable power generation centers to the markets in our country, the same way that Eisenhower built the national highway systems back in the 60s. We need to do that with the grid and we need to build the smart grid.

You post a lot of 'stuff' with no links to back up your claims.
Now, you stop giving information and start getting information.
In other words, your word isn't good enough. Provide links. And no blogs, no opinion pieces disguised as news. Just the facts.
Oh, an entire farm in North Dakota is worth $800? 'Scuse me?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Have you noticed this is just another baseless fear-mongering right wing conspiracy? You people are afraid of your own shadow.

Idaho is far from a leftist haven. Yet experts - from both environmental and industry camps - agree that improving energy efficiency is the cheapest way to keep the utility's rates down. The same is true for individual customers.

Are you also afraid of the 'Floor' buttons in an elevator? Or do we need to bring back human elevator operators so you will not be so afraid?

A smart grid makes changes to supply and demand instantly, preventing power outages and brownouts that manual operators can't react to as quickly and AUTOMATICALLY.

A smart grid is LESS intrusive because it does not need human interdiction.

And the future two way capabilities will allow anyone who invests in solar or wind power, like a farmer, to sell power back to the grid.

It is FREE MARKET, not communism. You right wing turds are REALLY being led down a scurrilous path here.

All of this is YOUR opinion.
Smart grid, smart meters, etc is one thing. The lazy way out.
Instead of modernizing the technology of the grid, smart regulates use. The additional costs get passed along to the customers. And we get rolling brown outs.
No thanks.

Smart meters are part of the modernization. It gives each consumer the ability to see his own power use and contol HIS costs. It will also allow people who invest in solar, wind or other home based power sources to sell his power back to the grid.

We don't have an energy grid in this country that can carry these new currents of energy. Our energy grid is antiquated. It was under-built, it is already overpowered, and it's misaligned. It doesn't reach the big wind centers in the Midwest, the solar centers in the desert southwest, and it's small. It is dumb. It's a dumb grid and it's incapable of doing long whole transmission of energy. Virtually every farmer in the state of North Dakota wants to put wind turbines on their property, and you have huge mountains of private capital, big players like Siemens and Vestas and General Electric and Warren Buffet and T. Boone Pickens all want to go there. There's huge piles of cash surrounding the state of North Dakota, waiting to build turbines on every property. Every farm in North Dakota wants to build a turbine. Why? Because a North Dakota cornfield is worth $800. If it's got a wind turbine on it, it's worth 3,000. We have the ability now with wind, to create prosperity in declining world economies, to create jobs and to enrich farmers and to allow them to hold on to their farms, which is a really critical part of democracy.

The problem is the North Dakota wind farmer cannot get his product to market -- the electrons to market because the electrons will diffuse in our current lines before they cross the North Dakota border. So they can't reach Cincinnati or Cleveland, Columbus, Saint Louis, New Orleans or New York. And we need to build a unified national grid that will connect these renewable power generation centers to the markets in our country, the same way that Eisenhower built the national highway systems back in the 60s. We need to do that with the grid and we need to build the smart grid.

DO you have any idea the equipment needed to store electricity and the equipment necessary to transmit it back to the power grid?
From where do you get your information? Or is it "I heard that..."?

 

[PredFan]

How do I know if my power company installed one of these smart meters without asking me?

 

[OKTexas]

This guy is a full blown wing nut. You folks are beyond help. You need to see a psychiatrist.

Tom DeWeese appears to be a right-wing, anti-globalist, isolationist, anti-environment nut. In his rants which range from fighting environmental movements (because they are really part of a plot to redistribute power and wealth away from the United States) to paganism in Sunday School (which is based on a minor program used by some schools which involve touching trees while blindfolded to learn more about identifying and recognizing things using senses other than sight, as well as learning about interacting with nature), Mr. DeWeese even goes so far as to suggest it is wrong to teach children to pick up litter... He is one of many examples of how ignorant people gain media influence primarily through the Internet. He is also appears to have financial ties to Phillip Morris through his organization, The American Policy Center, which publishes, among other things, the questionably EPA Watch newsletter.

You have just entered the paranoid zone.

like most liberals you are an ignorant jackass.....DeWeese is a patriot for speaking out....

you have no clue that this so-called "Smart-grid" is part of a coordinated collective effort on a global scale....

The dark horse of the New World Order is not Communism, Socialism or Fascism: It is Technocracy.

The development and implementation of Smart Grid technology in the U.S. – reinventing the electrical grid with Wifi-enabled digital power meters – is proceeding at breakneck speed. Although Smart Grid is the result of years of government planning, the recent kickoff was made possible through massive “green” grants that were quietly included in President Obama’s economic stimulus package starting in 2009.

These lucrative grants have drawn in a host of corporate players, from utility compa*nies to digital meter manufacturers to control software vendors. Global companies like IBM, GE and Siemens are putting their full effort behind the “build-out” that will consolidate all of America into a single, integrated, communication-enabled electric delivery and monitoring system, collectively called Smart Grid.

Proponents of Smart Grid claim that it will empower the consumer to better manage his or her power consumption and hence, costs. The utility companies will therefore be more efficient in balancing power loads and requirements across diverse markets.

However, like carnival barkers, these Smart Grid hocksters never reveal where or how SmartGrid came into being, nor what the ultimate endgame aims to achieve; perhaps most of them have no idea either, but simply repeat the mantra as if they know what they are talking about.
.....

Technocracy is a collectivist, utopian political-economic system run by engineers, scientists and technicians. It has the potential to be far more oppressive and controlling than Communism, Socialism or Fascism. Without Smart Grid, we are assured that there will be no rule of Technocracy.

Much more needs to be said, but this report seeks to highlight the following:

1.Technocracy, Inc. was the birth place of the energy-based economic-political model seen behind national, regional, continental and global Smart Grid initiatives
2.R. Buckminster Fuller, a Technocrat at heart, pioneered the design for a Global energy network that is now referred to as “the new World Wide Web of Electricity”
3.All of Technocracy, Inc.’s original requirements for an energy-based system are process of being met
4.Global organizations like the World Economic Forum and the IEEE Standards Organization are fully backing and enabling the global Smart Grid
5.The global Smart Grid and global warming movements are interdependent

It is not clear who will oversee any or all facets of the global Smart Grid. The implied suggestion is that it will be the same engineers and global corporations that are currently developing it. There is no suggestion anywhere in literature that there is a plan for a hand-off of the resulting system to a political structure that serves the people.

The negative aspects of Smart Grid are seldom mentioned. Take cyber-security, for instance. Picture a tech-savvy criminal who breaks into your energy profile data by hacking the computers at your local substation: Based on your power usage, he knows when you are home and when you are not home, when you are awake and when you are asleep, whether you have a security system turned on or off, etc. Armed with such information, your possessions and personal safety would be at his disposal.

With the global groundswell of activity to create the global Smart Grid, it is doubtful that the initiative can be stopped, especially since it is so closely intertwined with the global warming movement and hence, Sustainable Development and even the United Nation’s Agenda 21 program.

In the United States, Smart Grid is escalating without any legislative oversight or involvement; in other words, it is being implemented exclusively by Executive Branch fiat. The same is true in other countries.

The original Technocracy, Inc. was successful for a season due in part to the bone-crushing pressure of the Great Depression. The Great Depression II currently underway will almost certainly sponsor renewed cat-calls that “Capitalism is dead” and pleas for a new system to replace it. The only system waiting in the wings, so to speak, is Technocracy, and its enabling infrastruc*ture is the new World Wide Web of Energy.

Technocracy's Endgame: Global Smart Grid - August Forecast & Review*|*August Forecast & Review

Be afraid...be VERY AFRAID...

The latest conspiracy theory picking up steam is about the UN’s Agenda 21. Fueled by a Glenn Beck show last summer, a Republican National Committee resolution in January, comments by a few candidates for president, and media coverage of local government actions, the topic of Agenda 21’s purpose and reach is percolating. Agenda 21 is an easy target for UN naysayers and isolationists since most people have never heard of it, let alone know the nature of the document. Why should they? It’s an obscure document that’s 20 years old!

Let’s get some facts straight:

• Fact: Agenda 21 was a document adopted unanimously by 178 countries – including the U.S. represented by George H.W. Bush – at the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development in Rio de Janeiro (also known as the Earth Summit). Agenda 21 reflects a broad international consensus that worsening poverty and growing stresses on the environment require greater integration between environmental and development concerns.

• Fact: Agenda 21 is not a treaty and is not legally binding. Agenda 21 has no legal authority or precedent over a local U.S. jurisdiction or over a citizen. It is a blueprint or vision for development that simultaneously promotes economic growth, improved quality of life, and environmental protection. The conservative Heritage Foundation concurs that this is a nonbinding document.

• Fact: Agenda 21 does not call for the elimination of private property ownership, single-family homes, private car ownership, individual travel choices, or family farms. It is fully consistent with personal freedoms and the rights of citizens to own property, homes, cars, and farms.

• Fact: Agenda 21 does not take supremacy over U.S. law. National governments are in charge of their own development.

So why the focus all of the sudden? In many ways it has been propelled by a larger conversation in the U.S. – one that is a backlash against “big government.” The NIMBY (not in my backyard) activists make a play in the local media when local governments make development decisions (such as where to put in a bike lane, whether to give a permit to a local developer, traffic congestion planning, and so on). Ironically, they are using this global conspiracy theory to pressure local elected officials on decisions that are being made locally.

Activists have attacked the UN in states such as: New Hampshire; Virginia; Florida; Texas; and Missouri, accusing it of making local government decisions and denying individual rights. The media in turn sees a “juicy” story and keeps the conversation going despite the misinformation.

Agenda 21 does not put any American liberties or rights at risk. The facts (above) are clear and unequivocal. Unlike the NIMBY crowd, we don’t need to carry signs or get angry – but we do need to be vocal and vigorous in defense of the UN to ensure the facts are set straight and our message is heard. You can do this by speaking at city council meetings or writing a Letter to the Editor and op-ed, specifically tailored to debunking the Agenda 21. In the past few weeks UNA-USA members in Oklahoma helped turned back an anti-UN state resolution concerned about Agenda 21 and the Nashville Cordell Hull Chapter President had an op-ed published in The Tennessean educating readers about Agenda 21. (Unfortunately, the Tennessee state legislation passed days before the Oklahoma decision.)

Twenty years ago Agenda 21 launched a conversation about how national, state, or local governments think about the environment when they make planning decisions. When a city decides to put more efficient lights bulbs in the street lamps, it makes the streets safer, saves the money, and is better for the environment. The UN doesn’t have anything to do with common sense decisions like this that local governments make every day.

I had a great aunt who refused to believe the U.S. landed on the moon. My dad worked for NASA for more than two decades. You can imagine the conversations at family gatherings. That was fun to listen to, but this debate about Agenda 21 is not; it’s destructive. Let’s put aside the falsehoods, misrepresentations, and warped rationale. Let’s focus on the real UN agenda -- the positive impact on international cooperation and development, and the millions of lives it saves around the world.

And in case you were still wondering, the UN doesn’t own any black helicopters.

- See more at: The United Nations Agenda: Fact, Fiction & Conspiracy Theories

Explain why the federal government is spending billions to implement Agenda 21, of course they changed the vernacular as libs are so prone to do, they now call it Sustainable Development, the goals haven't changed only the name.

 

[Bfgrn]

All of this is YOUR opinion.
Smart grid, smart meters, etc is one thing. The lazy way out.
Instead of modernizing the technology of the grid, smart regulates use. The additional costs get passed along to the customers. And we get rolling brown outs.
No thanks.

Smart meters are part of the modernization. It gives each consumer the ability to see his own power use and contol HIS costs. It will also allow people who invest in solar, wind or other home based power sources to sell his power back to the grid.

We don't have an energy grid in this country that can carry these new currents of energy. Our energy grid is antiquated. It was under-built, it is already overpowered, and it's misaligned. It doesn't reach the big wind centers in the Midwest, the solar centers in the desert southwest, and it's small. It is dumb. It's a dumb grid and it's incapable of doing long whole transmission of energy. Virtually every farmer in the state of North Dakota wants to put wind turbines on their property, and you have huge mountains of private capital, big players like Siemens and Vestas and General Electric and Warren Buffet and T. Boone Pickens all want to go there. There's huge piles of cash surrounding the state of North Dakota, waiting to build turbines on every property. Every farm in North Dakota wants to build a turbine. Why? Because a North Dakota cornfield is worth $800. If it's got a wind turbine on it, it's worth 3,000. We have the ability now with wind, to create prosperity in declining world economies, to create jobs and to enrich farmers and to allow them to hold on to their farms, which is a really critical part of democracy.

The problem is the North Dakota wind farmer cannot get his product to market -- the electrons to market because the electrons will diffuse in our current lines before they cross the North Dakota border. So they can't reach Cincinnati or Cleveland, Columbus, Saint Louis, New Orleans or New York. And we need to build a unified national grid that will connect these renewable power generation centers to the markets in our country, the same way that Eisenhower built the national highway systems back in the 60s. We need to do that with the grid and we need to build the smart grid.

You post a lot of 'stuff' with no links to back up your claims.
Now, you stop giving information and start getting information.
In other words, your word isn't good enough. Provide links. And no blogs, no opinion pieces disguised as news. Just the facts.
Oh, an entire farm in North Dakota is worth $800? 'Scuse me?

Per acre.

So, the opinion pieces by ScreamingEagle are acceptable, even though they are complete fabrications and New World Order conspiracy theories?

There is plenty of information on a smart grid.

Smart Grid | Department of Energy

 

[thereisnospoon]

Smart meters are part of the modernization. It gives each consumer the ability to see his own power use and contol HIS costs. It will also allow people who invest in solar, wind or other home based power sources to sell his power back to the grid.

We don't have an energy grid in this country that can carry these new currents of energy. Our energy grid is antiquated. It was under-built, it is already overpowered, and it's misaligned. It doesn't reach the big wind centers in the Midwest, the solar centers in the desert southwest, and it's small. It is dumb. It's a dumb grid and it's incapable of doing long whole transmission of energy. Virtually every farmer in the state of North Dakota wants to put wind turbines on their property, and you have huge mountains of private capital, big players like Siemens and Vestas and General Electric and Warren Buffet and T. Boone Pickens all want to go there. There's huge piles of cash surrounding the state of North Dakota, waiting to build turbines on every property. Every farm in North Dakota wants to build a turbine. Why? Because a North Dakota cornfield is worth $800. If it's got a wind turbine on it, it's worth 3,000. We have the ability now with wind, to create prosperity in declining world economies, to create jobs and to enrich farmers and to allow them to hold on to their farms, which is a really critical part of democracy.

The problem is the North Dakota wind farmer cannot get his product to market -- the electrons to market because the electrons will diffuse in our current lines before they cross the North Dakota border. So they can't reach Cincinnati or Cleveland, Columbus, Saint Louis, New Orleans or New York. And we need to build a unified national grid that will connect these renewable power generation centers to the markets in our country, the same way that Eisenhower built the national highway systems back in the 60s. We need to do that with the grid and we need to build the smart grid.

You post a lot of 'stuff' with no links to back up your claims.
Now, you stop giving information and start getting information.
In other words, your word isn't good enough. Provide links. And no blogs, no opinion pieces disguised as news. Just the facts.
Oh, an entire farm in North Dakota is worth $800? 'Scuse me?

Per acre.

So, the opinion pieces by ScreamingEagle are acceptable, even though they are complete fabrications and New World Order conspiracy theories?

There is plenty of information on a smart grid.

Smart Grid | Department of Energy

If you read ALL of the info in the links, you will note I provided several sources.
All of the info is sourced. With references.
The DOE?...Yer kidding right? A department which the heads of serve at the pleasure of POTUS? Ok, THEY don't share the POTUS agenda?
Are you sure?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Smart meters are part of the modernization. It gives each consumer the ability to see his own power use and contol HIS costs. It will also allow people who invest in solar, wind or other home based power sources to sell his power back to the grid.

We don't have an energy grid in this country that can carry these new currents of energy. Our energy grid is antiquated. It was under-built, it is already overpowered, and it's misaligned. It doesn't reach the big wind centers in the Midwest, the solar centers in the desert southwest, and it's small. It is dumb. It's a dumb grid and it's incapable of doing long whole transmission of energy. Virtually every farmer in the state of North Dakota wants to put wind turbines on their property, and you have huge mountains of private capital, big players like Siemens and Vestas and General Electric and Warren Buffet and T. Boone Pickens all want to go there. There's huge piles of cash surrounding the state of North Dakota, waiting to build turbines on every property. Every farm in North Dakota wants to build a turbine. Why? Because a North Dakota cornfield is worth $800. If it's got a wind turbine on it, it's worth 3,000. We have the ability now with wind, to create prosperity in declining world economies, to create jobs and to enrich farmers and to allow them to hold on to their farms, which is a really critical part of democracy.

The problem is the North Dakota wind farmer cannot get his product to market -- the electrons to market because the electrons will diffuse in our current lines before they cross the North Dakota border. So they can't reach Cincinnati or Cleveland, Columbus, Saint Louis, New Orleans or New York. And we need to build a unified national grid that will connect these renewable power generation centers to the markets in our country, the same way that Eisenhower built the national highway systems back in the 60s. We need to do that with the grid and we need to build the smart grid.

You post a lot of 'stuff' with no links to back up your claims.
Now, you stop giving information and start getting information.
In other words, your word isn't good enough. Provide links. And no blogs, no opinion pieces disguised as news. Just the facts.
Oh, an entire farm in North Dakota is worth $800? 'Scuse me?

Per acre.

So, the opinion pieces by ScreamingEagle are acceptable, even though they are complete fabrications and New World Order conspiracy theories?

There is plenty of information on a smart grid.

Smart Grid | Department of Energy

You cannot win this debate. People do not want the government intrusion you wish.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Ima get me one tomorrow!"

Don't forget the brown-coal-burning electrical generator for your back yard, for when the power company browns you out.

 

[Bfgrn]

You post a lot of 'stuff' with no links to back up your claims.
Now, you stop giving information and start getting information.
In other words, your word isn't good enough. Provide links. And no blogs, no opinion pieces disguised as news. Just the facts.
Oh, an entire farm in North Dakota is worth $800? 'Scuse me?

Per acre.

So, the opinion pieces by ScreamingEagle are acceptable, even though they are complete fabrications and New World Order conspiracy theories?

There is plenty of information on a smart grid.

Smart Grid | Department of Energy

You cannot win this debate. People do not want the government intrusion you wish.

It is truly sad to witness such sniveling fear filled citizens in this country. You are being manipulated by people who have an extreme agenda. The same money behind big tobacco's denial that smoking causes cancer, the same money behind climate change denial, the same money that wants to halt any pollution controls. WHY...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I really find it amazing that your right wing idiots can't put 2 and 2 together. The LAST thing big polluters want is anything to do with the 21st century. The only thing they want to 'sustain' is their profits. They want to keep us in the 19th century. WHY is it so hard for you folks to realize that? They don't care about our children's future. They don't care about how many thousands of people die prematurely from their pollution. They don't care about America. Their agenda is to liquidate the commons for profit.

 

[OKTexas]

Per acre.

So, the opinion pieces by ScreamingEagle are acceptable, even though they are complete fabrications and New World Order conspiracy theories?

There is plenty of information on a smart grid.

Smart Grid | Department of Energy

You cannot win this debate. People do not want the government intrusion you wish.

It is truly sad to witness such sniveling fear filled citizens in this country. You are being manipulated by people who have an extreme agenda. The same money behind big tobacco's denial that smoking causes cancer, the same money behind climate change denial, the same money that wants to halt any pollution controls. WHY...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I really find it amazing that your right wing idiots can't put 2 and 2 together. The LAST thing big polluters want is anything to do with the 21st century. The only thing they want to 'sustain' is their profits. They want to keep us in the 19th century. WHY is it so hard for you folks to realize that? They don't care about our children's future. They don't care about how many thousands of people die prematurely from their pollution. They don't care about America. Their agenda is to liquidate the commons for profit.

Now that's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Per acre.

So, the opinion pieces by ScreamingEagle are acceptable, even though they are complete fabrications and New World Order conspiracy theories?

There is plenty of information on a smart grid.

Smart Grid | Department of Energy

You cannot win this debate. People do not want the government intrusion you wish.

It is truly sad to witness such sniveling fear filled citizens in this country. You are being manipulated by people who have an extreme agenda. The same money behind big tobacco's denial that smoking causes cancer, the same money behind climate change denial, the same money that wants to halt any pollution controls. WHY...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I really find it amazing that your right wing idiots can't put 2 and 2 together. The LAST thing big polluters want is anything to do with the 21st century. The only thing they want to 'sustain' is their profits. They want to keep us in the 19th century. WHY is it so hard for you folks to realize that? They don't care about our children's future. They don't care about how many thousands of people die prematurely from their pollution. They don't care about America. Their agenda is to liquidate the commons for profit.

Tree hugger.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Per acre.

So, the opinion pieces by ScreamingEagle are acceptable, even though they are complete fabrications and New World Order conspiracy theories?

There is plenty of information on a smart grid.

Smart Grid | Department of Energy

You cannot win this debate. People do not want the government intrusion you wish.

It is truly sad to witness such sniveling fear filled citizens in this country. You are being manipulated by people who have an extreme agenda. The same money behind big tobacco's denial that smoking causes cancer, the same money behind climate change denial, the same money that wants to halt any pollution controls. WHY...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I really find it amazing that your right wing idiots can't put 2 and 2 together. The LAST thing big polluters want is anything to do with the 21st century. The only thing they want to 'sustain' is their profits. They want to keep us in the 19th century. WHY is it so hard for you folks to realize that? They don't care about our children's future. They don't care about how many thousands of people die prematurely from their pollution. They don't care about America. Their agenda is to liquidate the commons for profit.

The 19th century?

God you're dumb...

 

[Bfgrn]

You cannot win this debate. People do not want the government intrusion you wish.

It is truly sad to witness such sniveling fear filled citizens in this country. You are being manipulated by people who have an extreme agenda. The same money behind big tobacco's denial that smoking causes cancer, the same money behind climate change denial, the same money that wants to halt any pollution controls. WHY...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I really find it amazing that your right wing idiots can't put 2 and 2 together. The LAST thing big polluters want is anything to do with the 21st century. The only thing they want to 'sustain' is their profits. They want to keep us in the 19th century. WHY is it so hard for you folks to realize that? They don't care about our children's future. They don't care about how many thousands of people die prematurely from their pollution. They don't care about America. Their agenda is to liquidate the commons for profit.

Now that's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

I wish it were a theory. But it is true. Big tobacco set the stage when they vehemently argued that smoking did not cause cancer. After losing a lawsuit against the major tobacco companies that found the companies have violated civil racketeering laws and defrauded the American people by lying for decades about the health risks of smoking and their marketing to children, part of the lawsuit forced them to turn over internal documents.

Big tobacco kept cancer risk in cigarettes secret: Study

 

[Bfgrn]

You cannot win this debate. People do not want the government intrusion you wish.

It is truly sad to witness such sniveling fear filled citizens in this country. You are being manipulated by people who have an extreme agenda. The same money behind big tobacco's denial that smoking causes cancer, the same money behind climate change denial, the same money that wants to halt any pollution controls. WHY...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I really find it amazing that your right wing idiots can't put 2 and 2 together. The LAST thing big polluters want is anything to do with the 21st century. The only thing they want to 'sustain' is their profits. They want to keep us in the 19th century. WHY is it so hard for you folks to realize that? They don't care about our children's future. They don't care about how many thousands of people die prematurely from their pollution. They don't care about America. Their agenda is to liquidate the commons for profit.

Tree hugger.

LOL...you just abdicated the argument...

BTW, If God created trees, shouldn't liberals be the ones calling CONSERVE-atives Christians tree huggers?

 

[OKTexas]

It is truly sad to witness such sniveling fear filled citizens in this country. You are being manipulated by people who have an extreme agenda. The same money behind big tobacco's denial that smoking causes cancer, the same money behind climate change denial, the same money that wants to halt any pollution controls. WHY...$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I really find it amazing that your right wing idiots can't put 2 and 2 together. The LAST thing big polluters want is anything to do with the 21st century. The only thing they want to 'sustain' is their profits. They want to keep us in the 19th century. WHY is it so hard for you folks to realize that? They don't care about our children's future. They don't care about how many thousands of people die prematurely from their pollution. They don't care about America. Their agenda is to liquidate the commons for profit.

Now that's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

I wish it were a theory. But it is true. Big tobacco set the stage when they vehemently argued that smoking did not cause cancer. After losing a lawsuit against the major tobacco companies that found the companies have violated civil racketeering laws and defrauded the American people by lying for decades about the health risks of smoking and their marketing to children, part of the lawsuit forced them to turn over internal documents.

Big tobacco kept cancer risk in cigarettes secret: Study

You are so full of it, people knew smoking was not good for you decades before that suit. Government, federal and state made more from tobacco sales than any tobacco company and they still are, but no one sued them.

 

[Bfgrn]

Now that's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

I wish it were a theory. But it is true. Big tobacco set the stage when they vehemently argued that smoking did not cause cancer. After losing a lawsuit against the major tobacco companies that found the companies have violated civil racketeering laws and defrauded the American people by lying for decades about the health risks of smoking and their marketing to children, part of the lawsuit forced them to turn over internal documents.

Big tobacco kept cancer risk in cigarettes secret: Study

You are so full of it, people knew smoking was not good for you decades before that suit. Government, federal and state made more from tobacco sales than any tobacco company and they still are, but no one sued them.

Are you trying to make a point? Documents prove tobacco companies had known cigarette smoke contained potentially dangerous radioactive particles as early as 1959.

The corporate polluter money that funded right wing think tanks and pseudo-scientists to defend big tobacco's denial of the health effects from smoking are the very same right wing think tanks and pseudo-scientists that are being funded to deny climate change, the health effects of coal burning power plants and spreading false conspiracy theories about important innovations like a smart grid.

It is amazing you right wing turds are able to cross a street without getting creamed...you only look ONE WAY...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

How do I know if my power company installed one of these smart meters without asking me?

the old analog meter is on the left.....the new digital (smart) meter is on the right...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

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