EPA Wants Gov't To Control How Cold Your Beer Can Be

[Soggy in NOLA]

It is pretty amazing what these right wingers are afraid of.

Our current grid is the equivalent of an out house compared to modern plumbing.

These folks are afraid to flush a toilet. Maybe we can also bring back bathroom attendants and elevator operators...

Who the hell said anything remotely like this? Are you lefties just high 24/7?

Have an adult read and interpret the replies on this thread. But do it before the street lights go one because we can't have you up past your bed time.

Ok, I don't see one post about anybody being afraid to flush a toilet..... or wanting back bathroom attendants and elevator operators (not sure what the fuck this really has to do with anything).

Again, where do you dream this shit up, is it just too much pot?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

when you look at the farce that is Obamacare it is amazing that liberals would even entertain his environmental plans.....talk about useful gullible idiots......

 

[BlindBoo]

So far, manufacturers are not required to include the feature, only "encouraged," and consumers must still give permission to turn it on. But with the Obama administration's renewed focus on fighting mythical climate change we expect it to become mandatory to save the planet from the perils of keeping your beer too cold.

Who believes this tripe?

 

[Little-Acorn]

So far, manufacturers are not required to include the feature, only "encouraged," and consumers must still give permission to turn it on. But with the Obama administration's renewed focus on fighting mythical climate change we expect it to become mandatory to save the planet from the perils of keeping your beer too cold.

Who believes this tripe?

You forgot to emphasize the most important part of your own post.

 

[Bfgrn]

How a 'smart grid' would work and how it would not 'Control How Cold Your Beer Can Be'

The current grid is CONTROLLED by human beings working at numerous CONTROL centers.

Power systems coordinators Boykin Elliott (front center) and Ronny Maxwell (rear right)
monitor the network power grid in metro Atlanta at the Georgia Transmission
Control Center at Georgia Power. Heath Bridges (rear left) is with the Conyers
TMC (Transmission Maintenance Center) and is job shadowing Elliott and Maxwell.

Instead of simply adjusting the supply of electricity in response to the vagaries of unpredictable demand, a smart grid would constantly adjust demand as well. When demand hits a peak, for example, the grid might start cutting power for household refrigerators, office air-conditioning systems and other non-urgent uses — just for a moment in each case, and nothing that anyone would notice, but enough to smooth out variations in the overall load.

 

[Bfgrn]

Who the hell said anything remotely like this? Are you lefties just high 24/7?

Have an adult read and interpret the replies on this thread. But do it before the street lights go one because we can't have you up past your bed time.

Ok, I don't see one post about anybody being afraid to flush a toilet..... or wanting back bathroom attendants and elevator operators (not sure what the fuck this really has to do with anything).

Again, where do you dream this shit up, is it just too much pot?

You really are fucking dense. Our current grid is equivalent to an out house. Right wing turds were probably afraid of modern plumbing when it was first introduced.

The CORE of conservatism is FEAR...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

How a 'smart grid' would work and how it would not 'Control How Cold Your Beer Can Be'

The current grid is CONTROLLED by human beings working at numerous CONTROL centers.

Power systems coordinators Boykin Elliott (front center) and Ronny Maxwell (rear right)
monitor the network power grid in metro Atlanta at the Georgia Transmission
Control Center at Georgia Power. Heath Bridges (rear left) is with the Conyers
TMC (Transmission Maintenance Center) and is job shadowing Elliott and Maxwell.

Instead of simply adjusting the supply of electricity in response to the vagaries of unpredictable demand, a smart grid would constantly adjust demand as well. When demand hits a peak, for example, the grid might start cutting power for household refrigerators, office air-conditioning systems and other non-urgent uses — just for a moment in each case, and nothing that anyone would notice, but enough to smooth out variations in the overall load.

the basic idea is to arbitrarily limit demand.......not increase supply......

and this fits into our democratic capitalist country of individual rights and free enterprise how....?

 

[rightwinger]

So far, manufacturers are not required to include the feature, only "encouraged," and consumers must still give permission to turn it on. But with the Obama administration's renewed focus on fighting mythical climate change we expect it to become mandatory to save the planet from the perils of keeping your beer too cold.

Who believes this tripe?

On the right?

Everyone

 

[rightwinger]

How a 'smart grid' would work and how it would not 'Control How Cold Your Beer Can Be'

The current grid is CONTROLLED by human beings working at numerous CONTROL centers.

Power systems coordinators Boykin Elliott (front center) and Ronny Maxwell (rear right)
monitor the network power grid in metro Atlanta at the Georgia Transmission
Control Center at Georgia Power. Heath Bridges (rear left) is with the Conyers
TMC (Transmission Maintenance Center) and is job shadowing Elliott and Maxwell.

Instead of simply adjusting the supply of electricity in response to the vagaries of unpredictable demand, a smart grid would constantly adjust demand as well. When demand hits a peak, for example, the grid might start cutting power for household refrigerators, office air-conditioning systems and other non-urgent uses — just for a moment in each case, and nothing that anyone would notice, but enough to smooth out variations in the overall load.

the basic idea is to arbitrarily limit demand.......not increase supply......

and this fits into our democratic capitalist country of individual rights and free enterprise how....?

How do you increase supply during a momentary or short term spike?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

How a 'smart grid' would work and how it would not 'Control How Cold Your Beer Can Be'

The current grid is CONTROLLED by human beings working at numerous CONTROL centers.

Power systems coordinators Boykin Elliott (front center) and Ronny Maxwell (rear right)
monitor the network power grid in metro Atlanta at the Georgia Transmission
Control Center at Georgia Power. Heath Bridges (rear left) is with the Conyers
TMC (Transmission Maintenance Center) and is job shadowing Elliott and Maxwell.

Instead of simply adjusting the supply of electricity in response to the vagaries of unpredictable demand, a smart grid would constantly adjust demand as well. When demand hits a peak, for example, the grid might start cutting power for household refrigerators, office air-conditioning systems and other non-urgent uses — just for a moment in each case, and nothing that anyone would notice, but enough to smooth out variations in the overall load.

the basic idea is to arbitrarily limit demand.......not increase supply......

and this fits into our democratic capitalist country of individual rights and free enterprise how....?

How do you increase supply during a momentary or short term spike?

by increasing the capacity of the plant in the first place....?

PS: another way.....install a secure border to stop all the illegal aliens placing extra demand upon our systems....

 

[BlindBoo]

So far, manufacturers are not required to include the feature, only "encouraged," and consumers must still give permission to turn it on. But with the Obama administration's renewed focus on fighting mythical climate change we expect it to become mandatory to save the planet from the perils of keeping your beer too cold.

Who believes this tripe?

You forgot to emphasize the most important part of your own post.

That was a quote from the op's article.

"So far" and "we expect" are being used to scare and rile up the folks on the right who are none too bright. Bottom line is the power companies have a vested interest in selling you as much energy as you need to keep your beer at whatever temperature you feel you need. No one is going to change that.

 

[JoeBlam]

Anybody who thinks they won't go after NG after they've shut down coal is crazy....these freaks want to run the country on wind and solar.....which they can't given current consumption....so guess what? Wait until Barry-Care deems your firearm makes you too dangerous to insure....or your motorcycle, or your German Shepherd, or your love of pizza.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Have an adult read and interpret the replies on this thread. But do it before the street lights go one because we can't have you up past your bed time.

Ok, I don't see one post about anybody being afraid to flush a toilet..... or wanting back bathroom attendants and elevator operators (not sure what the fuck this really has to do with anything).

Again, where do you dream this shit up, is it just too much pot?

You really are fucking dense. Our current grid is equivalent to an out house. Right wing turds were probably afraid of modern plumbing when it was first introduced.

The CORE of conservatism is FEAR...

So, like I said, you're just making this stupid shit up as you go along.. nobody actually said any of this.. it's just the insane rantings of a leftwing moonbat.

Go take some more bong hits there Sparky.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

So far, manufacturers are not required to include the feature, only "encouraged," and consumers must still give permission to turn it on. But with the Obama administration's renewed focus on fighting mythical climate change we expect it to become mandatory to save the planet from the perils of keeping your beer too cold.

Who believes this tripe?

You forgot to emphasize the most important part of your own post.

That was a quote from the op's article.

"So far" and "we expect" are being used to scare and rile up the folks on the right who are none too bright. Bottom line is the power companies have a vested interest in selling you as much energy as you need to keep your beer at whatever temperature you feel you need. No one is going to change that.

it's just common sense...

i don't want anybody interfering with my power intake....especially when it's so easy for government to step in and tell the electric companies what do do....

or haven't you ever heard of the EPA......?

 

[OKTexas]

The proper title is:



Cause being energy efficient is SO evil!

You all seem to ignore that this is an agenda driven OPINION piece?

was there any link to the EPA regulation?

Doesn't take much to drive cons into hysteria.

The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

bunch of whiners.

You might want to do a bit of research into the health problems associated with smart meters and RF radiation.

 

[OKTexas]

I have very little doubt that internet connected smart appliances and the smart grid will control our energy use in EVERY sense.

If you find this "progress" unappealing then find a way to generate your OWN electricity and get off that grid.

Smart meters don't use the internet, they use RF signals to communicate directly with properly equiped appliances and the energy provider.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The proper title is:



Cause being energy efficient is SO evil!

You all seem to ignore that this is an agenda driven OPINION piece?

was there any link to the EPA regulation?

Doesn't take much to drive cons into hysteria.

The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

bunch of whiners.

You might want to do a bit of research into the health problems associated with smart meters and RF radiation.

These are the same folks that gave us light bulbs that when broken, require a hazmat team for cleanup.

They ain't very bright... no pun intended.

 

[OKTexas]

The proper title is:



Cause being energy efficient is SO evil!

You all seem to ignore that this is an agenda driven OPINION piece?

was there any link to the EPA regulation?

Doesn't take much to drive cons into hysteria.

The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

bunch of whiners.

If you had read the full article you would have seen the reference to the EPA Energy Star Program. in any case, you can go to www.EPA.gov/Energy Star Program. It's free, that should turn you on.

The typical wing nut misrepresentation of programs

Make Chicken Little proud

A voluntary program where you can save money by keeping your high energy appliances on a power control during peak hours. I have it on my central air conditioner.

Want your beer constantly cold......don't sign up

Seat belts were voluntary in the beginning, then the government decided they knew better than you. What makes you think the same won't happen with this?

 

[RoadVirus]

The proper title is:



Cause being energy efficient is SO evil!

You all seem to ignore that this is an agenda driven OPINION piece?

was there any link to the EPA regulation?

Doesn't take much to drive cons into hysteria.

The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

bunch of whiners.

You might want to do a bit of research into the health problems associated with smart meters and RF radiation.

These are the same folks that gave us light bulbs that when broken, require a hazmat team for cleanup.

They ain't very bright... no pun intended.

It's right up there with reusable bags. They force shit on us that can kill us.

 

[Bfgrn]

How a 'smart grid' would work and how it would not 'Control How Cold Your Beer Can Be'

The current grid is CONTROLLED by human beings working at numerous CONTROL centers.

Power systems coordinators Boykin Elliott (front center) and Ronny Maxwell (rear right)
monitor the network power grid in metro Atlanta at the Georgia Transmission
Control Center at Georgia Power. Heath Bridges (rear left) is with the Conyers
TMC (Transmission Maintenance Center) and is job shadowing Elliott and Maxwell.

Instead of simply adjusting the supply of electricity in response to the vagaries of unpredictable demand, a smart grid would constantly adjust demand as well. When demand hits a peak, for example, the grid might start cutting power for household refrigerators, office air-conditioning systems and other non-urgent uses — just for a moment in each case, and nothing that anyone would notice, but enough to smooth out variations in the overall load.

the basic idea is to arbitrarily limit demand.......not increase supply......

and this fits into our democratic capitalist country of individual rights and free enterprise how....?

NO, the idea is to balance supply and demand instantly. The current manual control is arbitrary and requires predicting. When they are wrong an outage occurs.

The smart grid would be infused with intelligent sensors and controls, automated smart switches and substations, robust communications and other technologies, the smart grid will be able to integrate all types of electric generation and storage systems, preclude power outages and surges to a degree not possible now, predict problems before they occur, and automatically heal itself if problems do happen.

Energy flow in the power grid was designed as a one-way process - from centralized generation to end users (at least in the U.S.). Distributed renewable energy sources introduce the need for a two-way power flow, which contributes to difficulties in maintaining voltage along radial feeders.

The power grid was designed in an era when one or two changes to the grid per day were common. Renewable energy with intermittent generation necessitates a change in grid operations every few minutes.

Benefits of a smarter grid

The operation of the power grid has become so complex over the past 50 years that human control is becoming ineffective. The interconnected grid means a disturbance hundreds of miles away can have catastrophic effects on a local system.

With less centralized control, the need for communications and coordination has become crucial. Sensors and other devices are overwhelming utilities and grid operators with vastly greater amounts of data. Therefore, automated, intelligent, real-time response to grid operations and power events will be required.

However, with smart technologies comes the promise of a more reliable and efficient power grid. Utilities will be able to better manage costs because they will be able to discern many problems before they occur, allowing equipment to be replaced or repaired before problems arise.

In addition, actual problems can be isolated before they cause further damage to the grid, and self-healing capabilities will require fewer personnel dispatches to fix problems. The smart grid will also offer enhanced cybersecurity because it continually monitors itself to detect problems and unsafe conditions.

Society as a whole will experience fewer and shorter power outages, brownouts and other power problems - resulting in less downtime and fewer economic losses.

In summary, the power grid of yesteryear has developed into a very complex system that is now in danger of becoming unable to provide the high-quality, reliable power needed for the economic growth of a high-tech society.