Ethical(?) question.

[DarkFury]

Assuming this is about Blacks, shouldn't this be in the Race Relations forum?

It's about children, any color of children.

 

[Sonny Clark]

What's the alternative? Punish the children?

If we knew the alternative one of us would be running for president. The system is broken at the parents. Do we agree on that?

The system has been broken for over a half century now. But, there are solutions. In order to fix the problems, especially the problems with poverty, it'll take an awakening of the majority of voters to correct decades of social and economic mistakes. For the majority of Americans, it's difficult to be self-supporting, especially with less and less opportunities with each passing year. We've created a poor and dependent society. 50% of our children live at or below the poverty line. Most jobs are low wage, part-time, or temporary employment. Higher education is more expensive, and the business norm is to off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and allow millions of illegal immigrants to live and work in this country.

Basically, you can't tell the unemployed to go get a job, because we don't have an adequate number of jobs to fill the demand. And, remember, many that do have jobs still qualify for government assistance programs. In most areas of the country, a worker can not support a family on low wages.

In this country, we encourage poverty, homelessness, and the need for government assistance. We've created dependency. We've taken away opportunities. We can't blame the poor for being poor.

If we want better economics then we need a president who makes better trade deals and builds pipelines. And we need to start putting Americans first again. That will still take generations but fewer the sooner we start.

Well, talk to the voters. As long as we have stupid ignorant voters electing and re-electing professional politicians to run government, don't expect anything to change for the better. It's really very simple.

We as voters need to hire better and we as men need to teach better. I don't care if it's a son/grandson/cousin whatever. We have to instill in them that getting ahead means ethics education and maybe getting dirty.

We find our self now in a populace that no longer respects the laborer. The dry waller the cement mason are all looked down on as "dirty" jobs unskilled jobs.

Building a house is a skill just as much as anything. We are losing about 10,000 WW2 vets per day. They built what we enjoy and quite honestly I think today's generation is to out of shape to even attempt what they did.

We need schools you bet but we need trade schools as well. And we need them NOW because Matthew says "Infastructure!" well that's fine IF you have the people. But we don't and the Chinese are rebuilding OUR country because of it.

We got jobs but this FORCED line of thinking that dirt on a person means stupid. That's simply not true.

OK, where are the 20 million living wage jobs?

 

[DarkFury]

If we knew the alternative one of us would be running for president. The system is broken at the parents. Do we agree on that?

The system has been broken for over a half century now. But, there are solutions. In order to fix the problems, especially the problems with poverty, it'll take an awakening of the majority of voters to correct decades of social and economic mistakes. For the majority of Americans, it's difficult to be self-supporting, especially with less and less opportunities with each passing year. We've created a poor and dependent society. 50% of our children live at or below the poverty line. Most jobs are low wage, part-time, or temporary employment. Higher education is more expensive, and the business norm is to off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and allow millions of illegal immigrants to live and work in this country.

Basically, you can't tell the unemployed to go get a job, because we don't have an adequate number of jobs to fill the demand. And, remember, many that do have jobs still qualify for government assistance programs. In most areas of the country, a worker can not support a family on low wages.

In this country, we encourage poverty, homelessness, and the need for government assistance. We've created dependency. We've taken away opportunities. We can't blame the poor for being poor.

If we want better economics then we need a president who makes better trade deals and builds pipelines. And we need to start putting Americans first again. That will still take generations but fewer the sooner we start.

Well, talk to the voters. As long as we have stupid ignorant voters electing and re-electing professional politicians to run government, don't expect anything to change for the better. It's really very simple.

We as voters need to hire better and we as men need to teach better. I don't care if it's a son/grandson/cousin whatever. We have to instill in them that getting ahead means ethics education and maybe getting dirty.

We find our self now in a populace that no longer respects the laborer. The dry waller the cement mason are all looked down on as "dirty" jobs unskilled jobs.

Building a house is a skill just as much as anything. We are losing about 10,000 WW2 vets per day. They built what we enjoy and quite honestly I think today's generation is to out of shape to even attempt what they did.

We need schools you bet but we need trade schools as well. And we need them NOW because Matthew says "Infastructure!" well that's fine IF you have the people. But we don't and the Chinese are rebuilding OUR country because of it.

We got jobs but this FORCED line of thinking that dirt on a person means stupid. That's simply not true.

OK, where are the 20 million living wage jobs?

Post WW2 the dynamics of jobs changed. Women entered the work force and while the short term effect was great the long term effect was not. It destroyed the family unit as we know it.
I remember the "furnace man" and the "TV man" as a kid but those are gone to China for more "units" and less quality. Trade in order to be fair should be set by quality. We don't even build TVs anymore but if we did tariff the overseas JUNK to the point where the buyer returns to quality not quanity.

Then and only then will you see MASS job returns and the American production machine rise again.

 

[S.J.]

Put something in their water to sterilize 'em.

That's a nice NAZI approach...

Look, an idiot who doesn't recognize jest.

 

[Esmeralda]

This is a strawman question. I will give the reason for the question later on. First I want to see what the responses are.

So this is the fictional story that MIGHT be biography:

There is a small town on the outskirts of a large city in a populated country. In this small town, the residents are extremely poor. Some are doing ok, but it's a paycheck to paycheck situation. However, some of the people in that town continue to have children. Lots of children. They are the extremely poor folks and I guess since they don't or can't work, they might as well have sex without contraceptives and rely on the taxes and generosity of the other poor folks to support those children...pay for food, schooling, medical needs of those children since they can't do it themselves. And those poor people flat out don't understand why others in the bigger city or state or even another country don't seem to care about their plight of having so many children they themselves cannot take care of.

My question is...do you donate willingly to these people musing on why they are not getting enough help while doing nothing to help themselves while popping out more kids? Does it pull on your heartstrings to know these kids are in dire need of sustenance, water, etc?

It's not the children's fault. Children have no control over the habits, lifestyle, and behavior of irresponsible adults. Yes, it breaks my heart to see any child doing without, mistreated, abused, and living in a less than desirable environment. Regardless of what the parents do, we can't punish the children. Every child should have food, water, clothing, shelter, and proper health care.

Perhaps education as well?

 

[Esmeralda]

Assuming this is about Blacks, shouldn't this be in the Race Relations forum?

Why are you assuming that?

 

[Sonny Clark]

The system has been broken for over a half century now. But, there are solutions. In order to fix the problems, especially the problems with poverty, it'll take an awakening of the majority of voters to correct decades of social and economic mistakes. For the majority of Americans, it's difficult to be self-supporting, especially with less and less opportunities with each passing year. We've created a poor and dependent society. 50% of our children live at or below the poverty line. Most jobs are low wage, part-time, or temporary employment. Higher education is more expensive, and the business norm is to off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and allow millions of illegal immigrants to live and work in this country.

Basically, you can't tell the unemployed to go get a job, because we don't have an adequate number of jobs to fill the demand. And, remember, many that do have jobs still qualify for government assistance programs. In most areas of the country, a worker can not support a family on low wages.

In this country, we encourage poverty, homelessness, and the need for government assistance. We've created dependency. We've taken away opportunities. We can't blame the poor for being poor.

If we want better economics then we need a president who makes better trade deals and builds pipelines. And we need to start putting Americans first again. That will still take generations but fewer the sooner we start.

Well, talk to the voters. As long as we have stupid ignorant voters electing and re-electing professional politicians to run government, don't expect anything to change for the better. It's really very simple.

We as voters need to hire better and we as men need to teach better. I don't care if it's a son/grandson/cousin whatever. We have to instill in them that getting ahead means ethics education and maybe getting dirty.

We find our self now in a populace that no longer respects the laborer. The dry waller the cement mason are all looked down on as "dirty" jobs unskilled jobs.

Building a house is a skill just as much as anything. We are losing about 10,000 WW2 vets per day. They built what we enjoy and quite honestly I think today's generation is to out of shape to even attempt what they did.

We need schools you bet but we need trade schools as well. And we need them NOW because Matthew says "Infastructure!" well that's fine IF you have the people. But we don't and the Chinese are rebuilding OUR country because of it.

We got jobs but this FORCED line of thinking that dirt on a person means stupid. That's simply not true.

OK, where are the 20 million living wage jobs?

Post WW2 the dynamics of jobs changed. Women entered the work force and while the short term effect was great the long term effect was not. It destroyed the family unit as we know it.
I remember the "furnace man" and the "TV man" as a kid but those are gone to China for more "units" and less quality. Trade in order to be fair should be set by quality. We don't even build TVs anymore but if we did tariff the overseas JUNK to the point where the buyer returns to quality not quanity.

Then and only then will you see MASS job returns and the American production machine rise again.

It's called "Global Economy". And, that term mean, "equalization to the lowest level". It can traced back to our many unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies. In other words, we've been sold out by the very ones that we entrusted with out social and economic well-being. We've sacrificed our economic well-being, in favor of strengthening and supporting foreign economies. During the process, over many decades, we've closed our plants and factories, and have become import dependent. America no longer produces what America uses and consumes.

Over the past 60 years, we've lost many industries to cheap foreign labor markets around the world. Those industries include textiles, housewares, steel, tools, toys, furniture, appliances, electronics, automotive parts, and farm equipment. As a result, many skills are no longer handed down from generation to generation. In addition to bad trade agreements and policies, high union wages sent many jobs to foreign labor markets. Equally damaging, is the off-shore out-sourcing of jobs, the importing of labor, and allowing millions of illegal immigrants to live and work in this country.

Meanwhile, our population grows, and we have fewer and fewer living wage jobs to offer to our growing work force. We can't compete with cheap foreign labor markets. We have a higher standard of living, we don't work children in sweat shops, and we have regulations such as OSHA, EPA, USDA, FDA, and others rules we must follow. Our farmers are not allowed to use insecticides, pesticides, and fungicides that other countries that export their produce to us uses. We have restrictions that other countries do not have. We have labor laws which other countries do not have. We don't work people for $10.00 a day wages.

The solution is simple. But, since we have an anti-America government seated in Washington, and have had for many decades now, we can not compete in the world market place.

 

[Sonny Clark]

This is a strawman question. I will give the reason for the question later on. First I want to see what the responses are.

So this is the fictional story that MIGHT be biography:

There is a small town on the outskirts of a large city in a populated country. In this small town, the residents are extremely poor. Some are doing ok, but it's a paycheck to paycheck situation. However, some of the people in that town continue to have children. Lots of children. They are the extremely poor folks and I guess since they don't or can't work, they might as well have sex without contraceptives and rely on the taxes and generosity of the other poor folks to support those children...pay for food, schooling, medical needs of those children since they can't do it themselves. And those poor people flat out don't understand why others in the bigger city or state or even another country don't seem to care about their plight of having so many children they themselves cannot take care of.

My question is...do you donate willingly to these people musing on why they are not getting enough help while doing nothing to help themselves while popping out more kids? Does it pull on your heartstrings to know these kids are in dire need of sustenance, water, etc?

It's not the children's fault. Children have no control over the habits, lifestyle, and behavior of irresponsible adults. Yes, it breaks my heart to see any child doing without, mistreated, abused, and living in a less than desirable environment. Regardless of what the parents do, we can't punish the children. Every child should have food, water, clothing, shelter, and proper health care.

Perhaps education as well?

Education alone will not solve the many social and economic problems facing this once great nation.

 

[DarkFury]

If we want better economics then we need a president who makes better trade deals and builds pipelines. And we need to start putting Americans first again. That will still take generations but fewer the sooner we start.

Well, talk to the voters. As long as we have stupid ignorant voters electing and re-electing professional politicians to run government, don't expect anything to change for the better. It's really very simple.

We as voters need to hire better and we as men need to teach better. I don't care if it's a son/grandson/cousin whatever. We have to instill in them that getting ahead means ethics education and maybe getting dirty.

We find our self now in a populace that no longer respects the laborer. The dry waller the cement mason are all looked down on as "dirty" jobs unskilled jobs.

Building a house is a skill just as much as anything. We are losing about 10,000 WW2 vets per day. They built what we enjoy and quite honestly I think today's generation is to out of shape to even attempt what they did.

We need schools you bet but we need trade schools as well. And we need them NOW because Matthew says "Infastructure!" well that's fine IF you have the people. But we don't and the Chinese are rebuilding OUR country because of it.

We got jobs but this FORCED line of thinking that dirt on a person means stupid. That's simply not true.

OK, where are the 20 million living wage jobs?

Post WW2 the dynamics of jobs changed. Women entered the work force and while the short term effect was great the long term effect was not. It destroyed the family unit as we know it.
I remember the "furnace man" and the "TV man" as a kid but those are gone to China for more "units" and less quality. Trade in order to be fair should be set by quality. We don't even build TVs anymore but if we did tariff the overseas JUNK to the point where the buyer returns to quality not quanity.

Then and only then will you see MASS job returns and the American production machine rise again.

It's called "Global Economy". And, that term mean, "equalization to the lowest level". It can traced back to our many unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies. In other words, we've been sold out by the very ones that we entrusted with out social and economic well-being. We've sacrificed our economic well-being, in favor of strengthening and supporting foreign economies. During the process, over many decades, we've closed our plants and factories, and have become import dependent. America no longer produces what America uses and consumes.

Over the past 60 years, we've lost many industries to cheap foreign labor markets around the world. Those industries include textiles, housewares, steel, tools, toys, furniture, appliances, electronics, automotive parts, and farm equipment. As a result, many skills are no longer handed down from generation to generation. In addition to bad trade agreements and policies, high union wages sent many jobs to foreign labor markets. Equally damaging, is the off-shore out-sourcing of jobs, the importing of labor, and allowing millions of illegal immigrants to live and work in this country.

Meanwhile, our population grows, and we have fewer and fewer living wage jobs to offer to our growing work force. We can't compete with cheap foreign labor markets. We have a higher standard of living, we don't work children in sweat shops, and we have regulations such as OSHA, EPA, USDA, FDA, and others rules we must follow. Our farmers are not allowed to use insecticides, pesticides, and fungicides that other countries that export their produce to us uses. We have restrictions that other countries do not have. We have labor laws which other countries do not have. We don't work people for $10.00 a day wages.

The solution is simple. But, since we have an anti-America government seated in Washington, and have had for many decades now, we can not compete in the world market place.

Farmers we could help tomorrow and within a year they would be helping us. We still produce more food then anybody. Our farmers need to from their own OPEC and then they could take on the world.

 

[Correll]

Poor people have a lot of children because they are not educated. It behooves the goverment of that region of the world to provide these people with better education and opportunities to use that education. If you look around the world, countries with the highest education have the lowest level of childbirth. The countries with zero or near zero population growth are the countries with the highest levels of education. And this is not about birth control education, but education in general. To sit by and say "those stupid poor people" is to ignore the real problem. All people need to be well educated in order to reduce population growth around the world. Is it your problem even though you don't live in that particular small town? Yes. No man is an island.

Poor people have a lot of children because their women do not spend their best fertile years in school.

 

[DarkFury]

Poor people have a lot of children because they are not educated. It behooves the goverment of that region of the world to provide these people with better education and opportunities to use that education. If you look around the world, countries with the highest education have the lowest level of childbirth. The countries with zero or near zero population growth are the countries with the highest levels of education. And this is not about birth control education, but education in general. To sit by and say "those stupid poor people" is to ignore the real problem. All people need to be well educated in order to reduce population growth around the world. Is it your problem even though you don't live in that particular small town? Yes. No man is an island.

Poor people have a lot of children because their women do not spend their best fertile years in school.

Poor people have children because sex is free and children mean benefits.

 

[G.T.]

Reproduction and survival are the two most basic instincts.

Feeding and sheltering used to mean hunting. Walking up to an empty plot of land and saying "mine," and making your stronghold.

Now we need a license to hunt, and land ownership is a system of trade and filtered through a Government of what we call a Nation.

Somewhere, sometime - the system that inspired advancement morphed into a machine that feeds itself by altering our basic instincts.

Our brain has been switched to being "Nationalists" and pride in Country, as opposed to "giant rock planet that every animal is born onto and no animal can "own."

Now, because of what we call "lazy" if otherwise, we've inspired a generation of two parent 40-60 hour work week 'employees' and fell WAY the fuck off of priority #1 (our offspring) but instead are programmed to feed the machine or be lazy.

Milennials are the first generation it seems in a long while with a hope of realizing that there's a bigger picture besides this Nationalistic Political and Economic species we've become - talk to a group of them about it.

It's refreshing that they know there's something inherently wrong with the system they're inheriting. Hopefully, they can put their finger on it.

 

[Correll]

Reproduction and survival are the two most basic instincts.

Feeding and sheltering used to mean hunting. Walking up to an empty plot of land and saying "mine," and making your stronghold.

Now we need a license to hunt, and land ownership is a system of trade and filtered through a Government of what we call a Nation.

Somewhere, sometime - the system that inspired advancement morphed into a machine that feeds itself by altering our basic instincts.

Our brain has been switched to being "Nationalists" and pride in Country, as opposed to "giant rock planet that every animal is born onto and no animal can "own."

Now, because of what we call "lazy" if otherwise, we've inspired a generation of two parent 40-60 hour work week 'employees' and fell WAY the fuck off of priority #1 (our offspring) but instead are programmed to feed the machine or be lazy.

Milennials are the first generation it seems in a long while with a hope of realizing that there's a bigger picture besides this Nationalistic Political and Economic species we've become - talk to a group of them about it.

It's refreshing that they know there's something inherently wrong with the system they're inheriting. Hopefully, they can put their finger on it.

Lots of animals are territorial, and will fight to protect their territory.

Lots of animals have social organizations bigger than the family, that they will fight and/or die to protect.

 

[G.T.]

Reproduction and survival are the two most basic instincts.

Feeding and sheltering used to mean hunting. Walking up to an empty plot of land and saying "mine," and making your stronghold.

Now we need a license to hunt, and land ownership is a system of trade and filtered through a Government of what we call a Nation.

Somewhere, sometime - the system that inspired advancement morphed into a machine that feeds itself by altering our basic instincts.

Our brain has been switched to being "Nationalists" and pride in Country, as opposed to "giant rock planet that every animal is born onto and no animal can "own."

Now, because of what we call "lazy" if otherwise, we've inspired a generation of two parent 40-60 hour work week 'employees' and fell WAY the fuck off of priority #1 (our offspring) but instead are programmed to feed the machine or be lazy.

Milennials are the first generation it seems in a long while with a hope of realizing that there's a bigger picture besides this Nationalistic Political and Economic species we've become - talk to a group of them about it.

It's refreshing that they know there's something inherently wrong with the system they're inheriting. Hopefully, they can put their finger on it.

Lots of animals are territorial, and will fight to protect their territory.

Lots of animals have social organizations bigger than the family, that they will fight and/or die to protect.

Lots of animals can't do 2 plus 2 on a sheet of paper, also.

We either cherish life or we cherish SOME life based on our self prescribed constructs which are not our only way, or our best way, BECAUSE we have intelligence.

 

[G.T.]

Someone who is interested in one man who took some of my same thoughts and ran hard with them, describes such in a documentary called "future by design," that is free and available on youtube.

Its really good but not 100% flawless, no doubt.

 

[Correll]

Reproduction and survival are the two most basic instincts.

Feeding and sheltering used to mean hunting. Walking up to an empty plot of land and saying "mine," and making your stronghold.

Now we need a license to hunt, and land ownership is a system of trade and filtered through a Government of what we call a Nation.

Somewhere, sometime - the system that inspired advancement morphed into a machine that feeds itself by altering our basic instincts.

Our brain has been switched to being "Nationalists" and pride in Country, as opposed to "giant rock planet that every animal is born onto and no animal can "own."

Now, because of what we call "lazy" if otherwise, we've inspired a generation of two parent 40-60 hour work week 'employees' and fell WAY the fuck off of priority #1 (our offspring) but instead are programmed to feed the machine or be lazy.

Milennials are the first generation it seems in a long while with a hope of realizing that there's a bigger picture besides this Nationalistic Political and Economic species we've become - talk to a group of them about it.

It's refreshing that they know there's something inherently wrong with the system they're inheriting. Hopefully, they can put their finger on it.

Lots of animals are territorial, and will fight to protect their territory.

Lots of animals have social organizations bigger than the family, that they will fight and/or die to protect.

Lots of animals can't do 2 plus 2 on a sheet of paper, also.

We either cherish life or we cherish SOME life based on our self prescribed constructs which are not our only way, or our best way, BECAUSE we have intelligence.

Sorry that was not clear to me.

It is natural and good that we care more for life that is closer to us.

I will fight and die for my family.

I would fight and risk my life for my nation.

For some guy on the other side of the planet that I never met, and have nothing in common with?

He has my best wishes.

 

[Bonzi]

This is a strawman question. I will give the reason for the question later on. First I want to see what the responses are.

So this is the fictional story that MIGHT be biography:

There is a small town on the outskirts of a large city in a populated country. In this small town, the residents are extremely poor. Some are doing ok, but it's a paycheck to paycheck situation. However, some of the people in that town continue to have children. Lots of children. They are the extremely poor folks and I guess since they don't or can't work, they might as well have sex without contraceptives and rely on the taxes and generosity of the other poor folks to support those children...pay for food, schooling, medical needs of those children since they can't do it themselves. And those poor people flat out don't understand why others in the bigger city or state or even another country don't seem to care about their plight of having so many children they themselves cannot take care of.

My question is...do you donate willingly to these people musing on why they are not getting enough help while doing nothing to help themselves while popping out more kids? Does it pull on your heartstrings to know these kids are in dire need of sustenance, water, etc?

Giving money never solves problems.
Providing information does.
Information on how to educate yourself
Information on how to budget money etc.

 

[G.T.]

Reproduction and survival are the two most basic instincts.

Feeding and sheltering used to mean hunting. Walking up to an empty plot of land and saying "mine," and making your stronghold.

Now we need a license to hunt, and land ownership is a system of trade and filtered through a Government of what we call a Nation.

Somewhere, sometime - the system that inspired advancement morphed into a machine that feeds itself by altering our basic instincts.

Our brain has been switched to being "Nationalists" and pride in Country, as opposed to "giant rock planet that every animal is born onto and no animal can "own."

Now, because of what we call "lazy" if otherwise, we've inspired a generation of two parent 40-60 hour work week 'employees' and fell WAY the fuck off of priority #1 (our offspring) but instead are programmed to feed the machine or be lazy.

Milennials are the first generation it seems in a long while with a hope of realizing that there's a bigger picture besides this Nationalistic Political and Economic species we've become - talk to a group of them about it.

It's refreshing that they know there's something inherently wrong with the system they're inheriting. Hopefully, they can put their finger on it.

Lots of animals are territorial, and will fight to protect their territory.

Lots of animals have social organizations bigger than the family, that they will fight and/or die to protect.

Lots of animals can't do 2 plus 2 on a sheet of paper, also.

We either cherish life or we cherish SOME life based on our self prescribed constructs which are not our only way, or our best way, BECAUSE we have intelligence.

Sorry that was not clear to me.

It is natural and good that we care more for life that is closer to us.

I will fight and die for my family.

I would fight and risk my life for my nation.

For some guy on the other side of the planet that I never met, and have nothing in common with?

He has my best wishes.

In the sense that you should care more for your family than your nation, as the order you (rightly) just concocted, of importance:

I would say that a nation that goes from a community of people to an entity that oversees the capitalistic machine which is ruining the family nucleus.....

That the two ideas are in conflict with one another.

And im not talking about the left interfering with the markets or else "capitalism would be perfect," as a conservative might answer...

Butnthe idea of capitalism itself....where a chuld is inspired to work work work to go AWAY to a good school....and SUCCESS! is leaving your town to rise through the ranks of a Corporation by working 80 hours a week.....

Id suggest that person is broken and brainwashed. Working hard to feed the machine, toward an invisible success that in theory you'd share with the tight knit family....


But that family sees you 30minutes maybe in the evenings and the rest of them live back in small town USA where there was no ladder for your programmed idea of success.


Its nice to work hard and innovate as a species and all - but at some point you habe to wonder if this detachment from our humanity to feed our economy is right or wrong, despite all of the wonderful rhetoric about your blood, sweat and tears.

 

[G.T.]

my phone is a bitch of a typo artist by the way

 

[Correll]

Reproduction and survival are the two most basic instincts.

Feeding and sheltering used to mean hunting. Walking up to an empty plot of land and saying "mine," and making your stronghold.

Now we need a license to hunt, and land ownership is a system of trade and filtered through a Government of what we call a Nation.

Somewhere, sometime - the system that inspired advancement morphed into a machine that feeds itself by altering our basic instincts.

Our brain has been switched to being "Nationalists" and pride in Country, as opposed to "giant rock planet that every animal is born onto and no animal can "own."

Now, because of what we call "lazy" if otherwise, we've inspired a generation of two parent 40-60 hour work week 'employees' and fell WAY the fuck off of priority #1 (our offspring) but instead are programmed to feed the machine or be lazy.

Milennials are the first generation it seems in a long while with a hope of realizing that there's a bigger picture besides this Nationalistic Political and Economic species we've become - talk to a group of them about it.

It's refreshing that they know there's something inherently wrong with the system they're inheriting. Hopefully, they can put their finger on it.

Lots of animals are territorial, and will fight to protect their territory.

Lots of animals have social organizations bigger than the family, that they will fight and/or die to protect.

Lots of animals can't do 2 plus 2 on a sheet of paper, also.

We either cherish life or we cherish SOME life based on our self prescribed constructs which are not our only way, or our best way, BECAUSE we have intelligence.

Sorry that was not clear to me.

It is natural and good that we care more for life that is closer to us.

I will fight and die for my family.

I would fight and risk my life for my nation.

For some guy on the other side of the planet that I never met, and have nothing in common with?

He has my best wishes.

In the sense that you should care more for your family than your nation, as the order you (rightly) just concocted, of importance:

I would say that a nation that goes from a community of people to an entity that oversees the capitalistic machine which is ruining the family nucleus.....

That the two ideas are in conflict with one another.

And im not talking about the left interfering with the markets or else "capitalism would be perfect," as a conservative might answer...

Butnthe idea of capitalism itself....where a chuld is inspired to work work work to go AWAY to a good school....and SUCCESS! is leaving your town to rise through the ranks of a Corporation by working 80 hours a week.....

Id suggest that person is broken and brainwashed. Working hard to feed the machine, toward an invisible success that in theory you'd share with the tight knit family....


But that family sees you 30minutes maybe in the evenings and the rest of them live back in small town USA where there was no ladder for your programmed idea of success.


Its nice to work hard and innovate as a species and all - but at some point you habe to wonder if this detachment from our humanity to feed our economy is right or wrong, despite all of the wonderful rhetoric about your blood, sweat and tears.

You present the most extreme case of a determined over achiever as though it is the norm.

Yes. As a society we should give more thought to family and personal quality of life instead of economic advancement.

This does not require a rejection of capitalism, which has generated vast wealth to the benefit of the world.