Even Jesus Is A Zionist

[Victory67]

Go look up the phrase 'In a metaphorical sense'...

Go look up the phrase 'In a philosophical sense'...

And come back and give the grownups a book report.

Tell that to the Jewish Virtual Library and Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

I'm anxious to read their response.

 

[aris2chat]

Sorry but Zionism is a modern philosophy. The evidence says so.

Only a moron thinks Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Joshua, Solomon were Zionists.

A moron who need an education.

Is this what they teach you in school? sheesh
pathetic

Are you calling the Jewish Virtual Library, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, and the International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences, liars?????

Maybe its you who is the liar.

You mean like this?

"Underlying the Jewish value system and self-consciousness as a group throughout history was the bond between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel. This was manifested in the dream of the “End of Days” in which a Jewish leader will emerge to gather Jews from all over the world, bring them to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. Traditional Jews prayed three times a day for the deliverance that would transform the world and transport them to Jerusalem. "

 

[Victory67]

You mean like this?

"Underlying the Jewish value system and self-consciousness as a group throughout history was the bond between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel. This was manifested in the dream of the “End of Days” in which a Jewish leader will emerge to gather Jews from all over the world, bring them to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. Traditional Jews prayed three times a day for the deliverance that would transform the world and transport them to Jerusalem. "

No source means you pulled it out of your filthy hole.

Now go tell the Jewish Virtual Library that they are dead wrong about Zionism.

I look forward to seeing their response.

 

[Kondor3]

Go look up the phrase 'In a metaphorical sense'...

Go look up the phrase 'In a philosophical sense'...

And come back and give the grownups a book report.

Tell that to the Jewish Virtual Library and Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

I'm anxious to read their response.

Anybody else care to take Junior out for a spin, to see if they can do any better with the limited capacity connected to the case?

 

[aris2chat]

You mean like this?

"Underlying the Jewish value system and self-consciousness as a group throughout history was the bond between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel. This was manifested in the dream of the “End of Days” in which a Jewish leader will emerge to gather Jews from all over the world, bring them to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. Traditional Jews prayed three times a day for the deliverance that would transform the world and transport them to Jerusalem. "

No source means you pulled it out of your filthy hole.

Now go tell the Jewish Virtual Library that they are dead wrong about Zionism.

I look forward to seeing their response.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/isdf/text/maor.html

LOL

 

[Victory67]

Go ahead, call the Jewish Virtual Library "liars".

I want to see this.

 

[Victory67]

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/isdf/text/maor.html

LOL

From your link, dumbass

One of the most important aspects of modern Jewish life in Europe since the mid-nineteenth century was the development of a variety of Jewish national movements such as Zionists, Bundists and Autonomists that offered competing ideologies and solutions to the issues of Jewish nationhood and individual nationality as well as to problems posed by modernity. Among these problems was the breakdown of the parochial molds of Jewish life and the fragmentation of the traditional Jewish community. This article focuses on Zionism, the most radical of all modern Jewish national movements.

The Trigger and the Cause

The most common explanation for the emergence of Zionism is the spread of anti-Semitism. Interestingly, no Zionist movement emerged as a result of anti-Semitic events during the eighteenth century or at any earlier period. The rise of the Zionist Movement following the escalation of anti-Semitism at the end of the nineteenth century implies, therefore, that anti-Semitic events could have been a trigger to the emergence of Zionism but not a cause. Any analysis that makes a cause and effect argument regarding Zionism should look for a factor that operates continually on a given effect for a considerable period of time. In the case of Zionism, this factor was the breakdown of traditional Jewish life and the attempts by Jews to reconstruct their life within European nation states (Eisenstadt, 1992).

 

[Kondor3]

When I broke it off with that old girlfriend, a thousand years ago...

The one who always had to have the last word and who could never admit that she was wrong...

The last substantive thing that I said to her was somethin' along the lines of:

"You know... your gums just keep flappin' and flappin' and flappin' - you never shut up long enough to hear what anybody else is saying or to take their thoughts into account. Yer gonna die alone, and mad at the world, and yer gums are still gonna be flappin' a million miles an hour even after your're dead... the docs are gonna have to staple your big mouth shut until it finally decides to go quiet on its own."

 

[Victory67]

According to the Jewish Virtual Library, these are the triggers and the causes for Zionism

The most common explanation for the emergence of Zionism is the spread of anti-Semitism. Interestingly, no Zionist movement emerged as a result of anti-Semitic events during the eighteenth century or at any earlier period. The rise of the Zionist Movement following the escalation of anti-Semitism at the end of the nineteenth century implies, therefore, that anti-Semitic events could have been a trigger to the emergence of Zionism but not a cause. Any analysis that makes a cause and effect argument regarding Zionism should look for a factor that operates continually on a given effect for a considerable period of time. In the case of Zionism, this factor was the breakdown of traditional Jewish life and the attempts by Jews to reconstruct their life within European nation states (Eisenstadt, 1992).

 

[Kondor3]

Most posters who have been arguing that Jesus was a Zionist are dealing in the metaphorical and philosophical, not the literal.

Continuing to post Literal Definitions under such circumstances is the mark of a deficient intellect and a crippled imagination.

 

[Bloodrock44]

According to the Jewish Virtual Library, these are the triggers and the causes for Zionism

The most common explanation for the emergence of Zionism is the spread of anti-Semitism. Interestingly, no Zionist movement emerged as a result of anti-Semitic events during the eighteenth century or at any earlier period. The rise of the Zionist Movement following the escalation of anti-Semitism at the end of the nineteenth century implies, therefore, that anti-Semitic events could have been a trigger to the emergence of Zionism but not a cause. Any analysis that makes a cause and effect argument regarding Zionism should look for a factor that operates continually on a given effect for a considerable period of time. In the case of Zionism, this factor was the breakdown of traditional Jewish life and the attempts by Jews to reconstruct their life within European nation states (Eisenstadt, 1992).

Zionism is whatever the Jews say it is. Flapping your gums and taking hissy fits is never going to gain your precious Pali's one inch of ground. Israel will just keep building settlements until all the Pali's are living in dumpsters.

 

[Victory67]

Zionism is whatever the Jews say it is. Flapping your gums and taking hissy fits is never going to gain your precious Pali's one inch of ground. Israel will just keep building settlements until all the Pali's are living in dumpsters.

Well, the Jewish Virtual Library says its a modern philosophy.

So eat shit.

 

[aris2chat]

Isaiah 2.2, 3b:
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it...For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

Isaiah 34.8:
"For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion."

For it is said in the Scripture, “Behold, in Tsiyon I lay a chosen and precious stone for the head of the corner; and whoever believes in him will not be ashamed.” On you therefore who believe is this honor conferred: but to them who do not believe “he is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” And they stumble at it because they believe not the Word from where they were appointed. But you are an elect race, officiating as priests of the Kingdom; a Set Apart people, a redeemed congregation; that you should proclaim the praises of him who called you out of darkness to his precious light: who formerly were not counted as a people but now are the people of Elohim; and also, there were (once) no mercies on you but now mercies are poured out upon you. My beloved, I entreat you as strangers and pilgrims, separate yourselves from all lusts of the body, for they war against the soul. And let your behavior be honorable before all men; so that they who utter evil speeches against you, may see your good actions and may praise Elohim in the day of trial. And be submissive to all the sons of men, for Elohim’s sake; to kings, on account of their authority; and to judges because they are sent by him for the punishment of offenders, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of Elohim, that by your good deeds you may stop the mouth of the foolish who do not know Elohim: As free men, you are not like men who make their freedom a cloak for their wickedness, but as the servants of Elohim. 1 Peter 2:6-16

The Mandate for Palestine included the Balfour Declaration. It specifically referred to “the historical connections of the Jewish people with Palestine” and to the moral validity of “reconstituting their National Home in that country.” The term “reconstituting” shows recognition of the fact that Palestine had been the Jews’ home. Furthermore, the British were instructed to “use their best endeavors to facilitate” Jewish immigration, to encourage settlement on the land and to “secure” the Jewish National Home. The word “Arab” does not appear in the Mandatory award.

The Mandate was formalized by the 52 governments at the League of Nations on July 24, 1922.
~ Howard Sachar, A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time, (NY: Alfred A. Knopf, 1979), p. 129.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Zionism is whatever the Jews say it is. Flapping your gums and taking hissy fits is never going to gain your precious Pali's one inch of ground. Israel will just keep building settlements until all the Pali's are living in dumpsters.

Well, the Jewish Virtual Library says its a modern philosophy.

So eat shit.

 

[Roudy]

Zionism and Judaism are inseparable. It's pretty pathetic how these assholes think they can separate Jews from a land they've loved for over 3000 years. Never gonna happen!

Can you English, douchebag?!

Background: The historic and religious origins of Zionism
Background: The historic and religious origins of Zionism

Main article: Jewish history
Biblical precedents
Main article: The Return to Zion

The precedence for Jews to return to their ancestral homeland, motivated by strong divine intervention, first appears in the Torah, and thus later adopted in the Christian Old Testament. After Jacob and his sons had gone down to Egypt to escape a drought, they were enslaved and became a nation. Later, as commanded by God, Moses went before Pharaoh, demanded, "Let my people go!" and foretold severe consequences, if this was not done. Torah describes the story of the plagues and the Exodus from Egypt, which is estimated at about 1400 BCE, and the beginning of the journey of the Jewish People toward the Land of Israel. These are celebrated annually during Passover, and the Passover meal traditionally ends with the words "Next Year in Jerusalem."
The theme of return to their traditional homeland came up again after the Babylonians conquered Judea in 641 BCE and the Judeans were exiled to Babylon. In the book of Psalms (Psalm 137), Jews lamented their exile while Prophets like Ezekiel foresaw their return. The Bible recounts how, in 538 BCE Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylon and issued a proclamation granting the people of Judah their freedom. 50,000 Judeans, led by Zerubbabel returned. A second group of 5000, led by Ezra and Nehemiah, returned to Judea in 456 BCE.

 

[Roudy]

Zionism is whatever the Jews say it is. Flapping your gums and taking hissy fits is never going to gain your precious Pali's one inch of ground. Israel will just keep building settlements until all the Pali's are living in dumpsters.

Well, the Jewish Virtual Library says its a modern philosophy.

So eat shit.

Ha ha ha. Now the moron is quoting the Jewish virtual Library.

Eat this:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFroots.html
A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, the Jews suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.

The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.

Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem, and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in the Land of Israel continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea. The Crusaders massacred many Jews during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years.

By the early 19th century—years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement—more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel.1 The 78 years of nation-building, beginning in 1870, culminated in the reestablishment of the Jewish State.

Israel’s international “birth certificate” was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel’s people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

So, lets take their word for it.

 

[Victory67]

Israel’s international “birth certificate” was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel’s people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

So, lets take their word for it.

First of all let me state that you are unequivically the biggest moron on the face of the Earth. And I mean that with all my heart.

Second of all, acknowledging the neverending presence of people of the Jewish faith in Palestine & the neverending religious longing to return to Zion and pray at the Western Wall doesn't mean there was always a unified and large-scale political movement to repopulate the land with Jews from around the world and create a modern democratic state in the image of most 20th century western democracies. That's what Zionism is.

And you are fucking retarded or a fucking liar for ignoring that.

 

[Bloodrock44]

Israel’s international “birth certificate” was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel’s people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

So, lets take their word for it.

First of all let me state that you are unequivically the biggest moron on the face of the Earth. And I mean that with all my heart.
Second of all, acknowledging the neverending presence of people of the Jewish faith in Palestine & the neverending religious longing to return to Zion and pray at the Western Wall doesn't mean there was always a unified and large-scale political movement to repopulate the land with Jews from around the world and create a modern democratic state in the image of most 20th century western democracies. That's what Zionism is.

And you are fucking retarded or a fucking liar for ignoring that.

What a fucking drama queen.

 

[Victory67]

Is appears that there are some folks here who honestly believe that Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon, and Abraham were all Zionists.

I thought these guys were just having a good laugh but it now appears they really are that stupid.

And I mean STUPID. Only a moron could believe such a thing. I feel sorry for them and their future endeavors as they surely will not go far in life, especially if they stay so ignorant.

 

[Victory67]

It's past your bedtime, Junior...

Jesus was not and could not have been a Zionist, and you are a fucking moron.