Even Jesus Is A Zionist

[Victory67]

Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in central and eastern Europe as a national revival movement, and soon after this most leaders of the movement associated the main goal with creating the desired state in Palestine, then an area controlled by the Ottoman Empire

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionism as an organized movement is generally considered to have been fathered by Theodor Herzl in 1897

History of Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Victory67]

Pre-Zionist Initiatives 1799–1897

History of Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in central and eastern Europe as a national revival movement, and soon after this most leaders of the movement associated the main goal with creating the desired state in Palestine, then an area controlled by the Ottoman Empire

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionism as an organized movement is generally considered to have been fathered by Theodor Herzl in 1897

History of Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia??????

 

[Kondor3]

Zionism emerged in the late 19th century...

Yes, yes, yes...

We all understand the literal history of the modern movement and its immediate precursors...

Your failure lies in your inability to address the issue and the label metaphorically and philosophically...

 

[Kondor3]

Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in central and eastern Europe as a national revival movement, and soon after this most leaders of the movement associated the main goal with creating the desired state in Palestine, then an area controlled by the Ottoman Empire

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionism as an organized movement is generally considered to have been fathered by Theodor Herzl in 1897

History of Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia??????

Wikipedia?

Shocking!

After all, Zionists control Wikipedia, according to our colleague Sherriah...

All part of that Worldwide Joooo-ish Kornspiracy, dont'cha know?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Wikipedia is to hard facts as coal fired turbines are to airplanes.

True story.

 

[MJB12741]

As posted so many times already, Zionism by definition refers to the Israelites or Hebrews desire to return to their ancestral homeland. Have those who don't agree forgotten about the Babylonian captivity? Or is it avtually possible they are not even aware of it? You know, like Cyrus who?

 

[Roudy]

Zionism begins in antiquity. And thanks to Jesus & his followers Zionism has reached an all time high & still growing.

Ancient Zionism: The Biblical Origins of the National Idea: Avi Erlich: 9780029023525: Amazon.com: Books

No disrespect intended, but anyone who believes this is a fucking moron.

Zionism is a modern philosophy caused by modern events.

If a couple events didn't take place during the 19th and 20th century, Zionism wouldn't have existed and there would have been no mass migration of Jews to Palestine.

You boys need to get an education.

Actually anybody who doesn't believe in Zionism's ancient roots is either a fucking Nazi moron, or an ignoramus. So which are you? You can also select "c" for BOTH.

 

[Roudy]

Wikipedia is to hard facts as coal fired turbines are to airplanes.

True story.

It's good for certain things and a major fail in others. Teachers allow or ban Wikipedia based on the type of paper, and it's purpose.

 

[aris2chat]

Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in central and eastern Europe as a national revival movement, and soon after this most leaders of the movement associated the main goal with creating the desired state in Palestine, then an area controlled by the Ottoman Empire

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionism as an organized movement is generally considered to have been fathered by Theodor Herzl in 1897

History of Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grow up!

 

[Victory67]

The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

One of the most important aspects of modern Jewish life in Europe since the mid-nineteenth century was the development of a variety of Jewish national movements such as Zionists, Bundists and Autonomists that offered competing ideologies and solutions to the issues of Jewish nationhood and individual nationality as well as to problems posed by modernity. Among these problems was the breakdown of the parochial molds of Jewish life and the fragmentation of the traditional Jewish community. This article focuses on Zionism, the most radical of all modern Jewish national movements.

Zionism’s revolutionary character stemmed from its emphasis on the need to construct a Jewish national life in response to modernity and to do so only in Eretz Israel — the Land of Israel. Additionally, Zionists were the first to believe that policies on the major issues confronting Jewry should be subject to free and open debate. Furthermore, due to the catastrophic condition of East European Jewry, they were the first to assert that the solution to the “Jewish Problem” hinged on migration to a homeland (Vital, 1998, p. 208-9).

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/isdf/text/maor.html

The Trigger and the Cause

The most common explanation for the emergence of Zionism is the spread of anti-Semitism. Interestingly, no Zionist movement emerged as a result of anti-Semitic events during the eighteenth century or at any earlier period. The rise of the Zionist Movement following the escalation of anti-Semitism at the end of the nineteenth century implies, therefore, that anti-Semitic events could have been a trigger to the emergence of Zionism but not a cause. Any analysis that makes a cause and effect argument regarding Zionism should look for a factor that operates continually on a given effect for a considerable period of time. In the case of Zionism, this factor was the breakdown of traditional Jewish life and the attempts by Jews to reconstruct their life within European nation states (Eisenstadt, 1992).

The Emergence of Zionist Ideology

Rabbi Yehudah Shlomo Alkalay (1798-1878) and Rabbi Zevi Hirsch Kalischer (1795-1874) appeared in the mid-nineteenth century and were among the first proponents of Zionism to argue that Jewish settlement in Israel was a preparatory stage for the coming of the Messiah. A more modern utopian version of Zionism — based on a socialist perspective and framed in terms of moral necessity —was developed by Moses Hess (1812-1875). In his Rome and Jerusalem (1862), Hess argued that Jews were not a religious group but rather a separate nation characterized by a unique religion whose universal significance should be recognized. The attempts of religious reformers to mold Jewish ceremonies into a version of Christianity left only the skeleton of a once magnificent phenomenon in world history. The response, according to Hess, should be a political organization of Jews as well as the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine that would act as a spiritual center and a base for political action, embodying socialist principles within its institutions.

The Coalescence of the Jewish National Movement

The Jewish national movement appeared on the stage of history in the 1870s with the emergence of associations for the promotion of immigration of Jews to Palestine –Hovevei Zion(Lovers of Zion) – in a number of Russian cities and later spreading to Poland. The movement adopted three central goals that it saw necessary for a healthy nation and society: Auto-emancipation (i.e., self-action by an organized national body); productivity (i.e., the restructuring of the historical professions of Jews and the utilization of new sources of livelihood such as agriculture) and some measure of home-rule (Ettinger and Bartal, 1996).


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Interesting how the folks at the Jewish Virtual Library agree with me that Zionism is a relatively modern movement. But I guess they are just "Nazi Jew-haters".

 

[Victory67]

Jewish nationalism movement with the goal of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. In the 16th–17th century, a number of “messiahs” tried to persuade the Jews to return to Palestine, but by the late 18th century interest had largely faded. Pogroms in Eastern Europe led to formation of the “Lovers of Zion,” which promoted the settlement of Jewish farmers and artisans in Palestine. In the face of persistent anti-Semitism, Theodor Herzl advocated a Jewish state in Palestine. He held the first Zionist Congress in Basel in 1897. After World War I the movement picked up momentum with the issuing of the Balfour Declaration. The Jewish population in Palestine increased from 90,000 in 1914 to 238,000 in 1933. The Arab population resisted Zionism, and the British tried unsuccessfully to reconcile Jewish and Arab demands. Zionism achieved its goal with the creation of Israel in 1948.

Zionism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary




Zionism


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Zionism

History

Anti-Zionism and non-Zionism

Achievements and prospects

BIBLIOGRAPHY

Zionism may be summarily defined as the Jewish nationalist movement whose endeavors to solve the “Jewish problem” led to the establishment of the “Jewish state” of Israel.

The aims of Zionism were those of many nationalist liberation movements: to revive a national language (Hebrew or Yiddish) and culture; to repossess and develop the resources of the national territory; and to achieve sovereignty for a national state. But the nation to be liberated lived in exile from its ancestral home, with its members scattered all over the globe. Accordingly, Zionist objectives also included removing Jews from the countries of their dispersion and colonizing them in Zion, the ancient homeland.

Upon the successful execution of its program, Zionism anticipated that anti-Semitism, rooted according to Zionist theory in Jewish homelessness, would disappear. The Jews remaining in the Diaspora would be reduced to a number susceptible of assimilation (Herzl [1894-1904] 1955, pp. 241-242). Another theory held that a free Jewish community in Zion, not dominated by the milieu of the Gentile majority, would unfold the full potentialities of the Jewish historic individuality. It would produce a national cultural revival and advanced social institutions of universal significance, whose influence would enable Diaspora Jewries to sustain their collective existence even under modern conditions of equal citizenship and acculturation tending to dissolve their identity.

Thus, like other national liberation movements, Zionism developed a rationale that was Utopian, or even messianic, in tone. But its strategic situation also dictated a tactical approach of pragmatic reasonableness.

Palestine in the nineteenth century was neither controlled nor in any large measure occupied by Jews. Zionism could not hope to negotiate its aims unless it defined them in a way compatible with the interests of the suzerain power, Turkey, and other powers concerned with the Eastern Question. Hence, at the first Zionist Congress in Basle, 1897, Theodor Herzl, 1860-1904, obtained a resolution demanding not a “Jewish state” but an “oeffentlich-rechtlich gesicherte Heimstaette” a term subsequently translated in the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, by the vague expression “national home.”

The Zionist position in the Jewish community was equally weak. Unlike other nationalist liberation movements, which could appeal to massive and powerful popular resentments focused on a single, concrete foreign oppressor so that all ideological opposition was often swept out of the field, Zionism was only one of many rival Jewish ideologies (Halpern 1961, pp. 22-23). Moreover, it was divided by a wide diversity of internal factions. The objectives it could agree on had to be compromises, capable of uniting rival Zionist parties on a common denominator and attracting essential support from the non-Zionists in the Jewish community. Hence, the broad formulas of the 1897 program and of the statute of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, formed in 1929.

History

The idea that the Jewish position in the Gentile world presented a problem to be rationally solved, one of the basic Zionist principles, first became current in the eighteenth-century Enlightenment. A Jewish movement to achieve this solution, beginning in western Europe in the late eighteenth century, produced campaigns for enlightenment and general humane culture among Jews; for their civic emancipation; and eventually for religious reform, discarding many traditional practices and beliefs. In Russia, the pogroms and repressive laws of the 1880s thoroughly disillusioned some Jewish intellectuals who until then had favored reforms similar to those advocated by their western European counterparts. They turned in revulsion and humiliation against the Western principle of accommodating to a general humanism and insisted that the Jews themselves, and not benevolent Gentiles, must actively and militantly solve their own problem—and solve it by returning to their own sources. These new “Lovers of Zion” (Hovevei-Zion) dedicated themselves not to the aim of emancipation but to the counterposed aim of “auto-emancipation,” a slogan provided by the title of an 1882 brochure written by Leo Pinsker, 1821-1891, a physician who in 1884 became the chosen leader of the movement.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Zionism.aspx

 

[aris2chat]

Wikipedia is to hard facts as coal fired turbines are to airplanes.

True story.

It's good for certain things and a major fail in others. Teachers allow or ban Wikipedia based on the type of paper, and it's purpose.

It is an introduction, a starting point for research.
A lazy mans reference. we all look for the quick sites first rather than waste time on a full research just to answer a stupid question on a message board.
If you absolutely positively have no clue, wiki can help with a short answer. If you want a proper answer or explanation, keep researching elsewhere. Not everything is a quick click on the computer. Sometimes you need to hit the books.

 

[Victory67]

Sorry but Zionism is a modern philosophy. The evidence says so.

Only a moron thinks Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Joshua, Solomon were Zionists.

A moron who need an education.

 

[aris2chat]

Sorry but Zionism is a modern philosophy. The evidence says so.

Only a moron thinks Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Joshua, Solomon were Zionists.

A moron who need an education.

Is this what they teach you in school? sheesh
pathetic

 

[Victory67]

Sorry but Zionism is a modern philosophy. The evidence says so.

Only a moron thinks Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Joshua, Solomon were Zionists.

A moron who need an education.

Is this what they teach you in school? sheesh
pathetic

Are you calling the Jewish Virtual Library, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, and the International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences, liars?????

Maybe its you who is the liar.

 

[Kondor3]

Sorry but Zionism is a modern philosophy. The evidence says so. Only a moron thinks Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Joshua, Solomon were Zionists. A moron who need an education.

You remind me of an old girlfriend...

Never willing to admit she was wrong, even if it was painfully obvious that that was so...

Always having to get-in the last word...

Constant repetition of your position with no accommodation for the subtleties and variations on the theme carefully and cordially tendered by others, does not make your case any stronger for the repetition.

Your failure lies in your inability to deal with the subject matter in a metraphorical and philosophical sense, which is implicit in the challenge presented in the OP, rather than a grade-school -caliber over-reliance upon literalism.

But, given that you cannot see this in your own reactions, despite cordial explanations in that vein by several of your colleagues, it appears to be a waste of time, to attempt to bring you along down a path for which you are so obviously and entirely unsuited.

More's the pity.

Metaphorically speaking, there is much to commend the position that Jesus of Nazareth was an early-times Zionist, insofar as his own philosophy of do-no-harm could be accommodated.

Your childish insistence upon literalism is dismissed at this juncture for the dramatic shortcoming that it is.

 

[Bloodrock44]

I notice the imp of Satan has been missing in action today. Guess turning her over to Satan worked. Maybe she finally realized Jesus is a Zionist.

 

[Victory67]

I have provided evidence from very reliable Jewish and other sources that Zionism is a modern and not ancient philosophy.

Only an idiot would ignore this evidence. Are you, an idiot?

 

[Kondor3]

I have provided evidence from very reliable Jewish and other sources that Zionism is a modern and not ancient philosophy. Only an idiot would ignore this evidence. Are you, an idiot?

Go look up the phrase 'In a metaphorical sense'...

Go look up the phrase 'In a philosophical sense'...

And come back and give the grownups a book report.