Even Jesus Is A Zionist

[Victory67]

Several times you have posted Biblical scripture confirming that Jesus is a Zionist along with the several links posted on this thread by Christian scholars, clergymen & historians. But let us hope Sherri will continue on with her rants to the contrary to keep us laughing.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you fucking retarded?

How the hell could Jesus believe in a political philosophy that came 2,000 years after his death?

 

[Hossfly]

Several times you have posted Biblical scripture confirming that Jesus is a Zionist along with the several links posted on this thread by Christian scholars, clergymen & historians. But let us hope Sherri will continue on with her rants to the contrary to keep us laughing.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you fucking retarded?

How the hell could Jesus believe in a political philosophy that came 2,000 years after his death?

Back in New Testament time, things were written in Greek. Ism in Greek was 'ismos'. They used that suffix then, believe it or not.

 

[Victory67]

Back in New Testament time, things were written in Greek. Ism in Greek was 'ismos'. They used that suffix then, believe it or not.

What is your point?

 

[Hossfly]

Back in New Testament time, things were written in Greek. Ism in Greek was 'ismos'. They used that suffix then, believe it or not.

What is your point?

Go read the Bible in Greek, Mr. Scholar

 

[aris2chat]

Lets get back on topic. Why do you think Jesus the Zionist said this:

"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6)"

Call Jesus a Zionist again and he will come down from the cross and kick your ass.

He likes kicking Pharisee ass. Read the Bible and you'll see.

Pharisee still exist in judaism, Sadducee in christianity (I am in business with the lord).
The temple practices no longer apply so not all 613 mizvot can be observed today. Those who spend their whole lives studying and debating the tamlud attempt to be sticklers for the letter of the laws, while the tamlud is really just commentary and discussions on how to apply the law, not the laws themselves.
Mizvots are not commandments but guides to living so one can be closer to god. Not being able to always follow them all is not a sin. Not caring or trying to incorporate some of them into ones life would be distancing from god.

 

[Victory67]

Go read the Bible in Greek, Mr. Scholar

How about you not be coy and just get to the point.

 

[Hossfly]

Go read the Bible in Greek, Mr. Scholar

How about you not be coy and just get to the point.

The point is ism, jism.

 

[Victory67]

The point is ism, jism.

Zionism didn't exist 2,000 years ago, Hoss.

 

[aris2chat]

The point is ism, jism.

Zionism didn't exist 2,000 years ago, Hoss.

Zionism then and now is about gathering around Jerusalem (zion) the temple, or the heart of their faith, religiously and as a people. It is about overthrowing the injustice of rome, or oppressive abuse like rome. It is about identity of past and present as jews.
Jews have always identified with returning to Jerusalem, it is part of their prayers.
Zionism as a modern term is though only of as a form of nationalism, but it is about a people and it's roots and about a place of protection for jews, Israel, their homeland.
Jesus wanted to bring his people back to the truth of their religion as a nation and spiritually. Jerusalem and the temple was central to this, but Jesus also gave them a belief that they are a part of god, not apart or distant from god. They were god's children.
Zionism is about uniting the jews with where they came from. Giving them back their identity that will strengthen them.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

He died as a criminal against the roman state. King of the Jews was his crime on the titulus. Read the bible.

His crime was pissing off the Jewish leadership and threatening Roman order.

But he was no Zionist. It would be impossible unless he was a time traveler.

If Jesus was alive he would have shat on Palestine.

True story.

Like the profit Mohammed(PB&J) ?

 

[Victory67]

Zionism then and now is about gathering around Jerusalem (zion) the temple, or the heart of their faith, religiously and as a people. It is about overthrowing the injustice of rome, or oppressive abuse like rome. It is about identity of past and present as jews.
Jews have always identified with returning to Jerusalem, it is part of their prayers.
Zionism as a modern term is though only of as a form of nationalism, but it is about a people and it's roots and about a place of protection for jews, Israel, their homeland.
Jesus wanted to bring his people back to the truth of their religion as a nation and spiritually. Jerusalem and the temple was central to this, but Jesus also gave them a belief that they are a part of god, not apart or distant from god. They were god's children.
Zionism is about uniting the jews with where they came from. Giving them back their identity that will strengthen them.

You are lying.

Zionism is a modern ideology that believes in mass migration of Jews from around the world to Palestine to recreate a Jewish state their.

It is a result of 2,000 years of anti-Semitism and the failure of Jews to fully assimilate intotheir host cultures for their host cultures to accept them.

If it wasn't for the anti-Semitic events of the 19th and 20th century, and the peoples of Europe gave the Jews full equality and respected them, Zionism would have never existed.

Calling Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon, Judas Maccabeaus a "Zionist" is historical revisionism and pure dishonesty.

Not unlike Holocaust denial.

 

[MJB12741]

The roots of Zionism are as old as the Hebrew exodus from Egypt. And thanks to Jesus & his Zionist Christian followers, Zionism is stronger today than ever before.

 

[Kondor3]

Zionism then and now is about gathering around Jerusalem (zion) the temple, or the heart of their faith, religiously and as a people. It is about overthrowing the injustice of rome, or oppressive abuse like rome. It is about identity of past and present as jews.
Jews have always identified with returning to Jerusalem, it is part of their prayers.
Zionism as a modern term is though only of as a form of nationalism, but it is about a people and it's roots and about a place of protection for jews, Israel, their homeland.
Jesus wanted to bring his people back to the truth of their religion as a nation and spiritually. Jerusalem and the temple was central to this, but Jesus also gave them a belief that they are a part of god, not apart or distant from god. They were god's children.
Zionism is about uniting the jews with where they came from. Giving them back their identity that will strengthen them.

You are lying.

Zionism is a modern ideology that believes in mass migration of Jews from around the world to Palestine to recreate a Jewish state their.

It is a result of 2,000 years of anti-Semitism and the failure of Jews to fully assimilate intotheir host cultures for their host cultures to accept them.

If it wasn't for the anti-Semitic events of the 19th and 20th century, and the peoples of Europe gave the Jews full equality and respected them, Zionism would have never existed.

Calling Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon, Judas Maccabeaus a "Zionist" is historical revisionism and pure dishonesty.

Not unlike Holocaust denial.

I will try to remember and parahprase what I posted some days ago on this same subject (I don't feel like wading through earlier posts in search of the original, to copy-and-paste)...

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The idea behind the OP is that 'Even Jesus is a Zionist'...

Implicit in that challenge are the following two points...

1. the OP can be construed literally - meaning that Jesus was one, in fact

2. the OP can be construed metaphorically - meaning that Jesus would have supported Zionism, and eligible to receive that label, as a descriptor.

...and, further implicit in the OP, is the idea that Zionism can be divided into two (2) timeframes...

1. modern-day Zionism, as a formal movement, as originated in the late 1800s.

2. earlier Zionism-like (pro-Jewish homeland) movements, stretching back into Antiquity

...and, in light of the fact that Zionism itself may be defined in two different ways...

1. support for a homeland for the Jews, on their ancestral/spiritual home soil

2. support for the modern State of Israel - to varying degrees or extent

Now...

Given that Jesus limited his ministry largely to his own Jewish people...

Given that Jesus encouraged a respect and obedience to the old Jewish laws...

Given that Jesus stated that his philosophy trumped old Jewish law (but leaning upon it as a point of departure and legitimizing agent)...

Given that the Founding Church Fathers argued amongst themselves for years about the relationship between proto-Christianity and Jewish law and customs and ritual...

Given that the Capital of the Church remained in Jerusalem for many years in the earliest decades of the life of this new Church...

Given that the Christian Church relies heavily upon the Jewish Old Testament to supplement the New Testament, to provide guidance in matters on which the New Testament is silent, and as part of the heritage of Christianity...

Given that Jesus and his disciples and immediate precedessors (such as John the Baptist) spoke out against the Roman occupation of their homeland and the puppet-king installed by the Romans - in subtle terms, and sometimes not-so-subtle terms...

It may be logically inferred that Jesus was, indeed, on the side of his own people, insofar as that loyalty did not detract from nor impair his love and consideration for all peoples...

It may be logically inferred that Jesus was, indeed, in favor of his own people continuing to have a homeland of their own, insofar as this could be accomplished without bringing harm to others...

Consequently, it may be logically inferred that Jesus was apparently a Zionist, using Zionism merely as a label for an attitude or position, in the simpler sense of the word, meaning that he supported the idea of his own people continuing to have a homeland on the soil they had controlled for the past several centuries prior to his birth.

Perhaps it would help to label Jesus as a Zionist using a small "Z" - a zionist.

Moving forward in time, given what we can infer about his attitude towards such things, from fragments of related commentary coming down to us (imperfectly) through the ages...

It seems likely and credible to speculate that - could Jesus move forward in time to our own present age - say, up to the late 1800s... that Jesus would probably have been an early supporter of the early formal Zionism Movement, as we know it in modern times...

Supporting a return of his people (both genetic, to some extent, and spiritual and philosophical, to a large extent) to their ancestral and spiritual homeland, after an absence of the better part of two millenia...

Right up to the point where disputes began over land ownership and governance, and right up to the point where harm began to befall those who were involved in such things...

At that point, it seems likely to speculate that Jesus... transported into the modern age... would have dropped his support for early Zionism and abandoned it as going against the Do-No-Harm grain of his teachings and philosophy.

In both a historical and in a modern-times speculative context, it seems appropriate to view Jesus of Nazareth as eligible to be labeled as a Zionist, as the 19th Century movement first unfolded, as a rather innocent concept and early-times plan...

It merely requires that one free one's mind of an over-reliance upon Literalism, and be able to take one's speculative nature out for a good, long metaphorical walk, to sense the likely accuracy or truth of such an observation...

All of this is entirely in keeping with the multi-facted speculative nature implicit in the OP...

 

[Victory67]

Jesus could not have been a Zionist since Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events. There is a good reason why Zionism didn't exist in the 18th century.

Only a lying fool thinks Jesus was or could have been a Zionist.

 

[Kondor3]

Jesus could not have been a Zionist since Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events. There is a good reason why Zionism didn't exist in the 18th century. Only a lying fool thinks Jesus was or could have been a Zionist.

Thank you for sharing your personal opinion in the matter.

 

[Victory67]

Jesus could not have been a Zionist since Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events. There is a good reason why Zionism didn't exist in the 18th century. Only a lying fool thinks Jesus was or could have been a Zionist.

Thank you for sharing your personal opinion in the matter.

Its not opinion you idiot, its facts.

Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events.

Jesus was no more a Zionist than he was a Tea Party Patriot.

 

[toastman]

Jesus could not have been a Zionist since Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events. There is a good reason why Zionism didn't exist in the 18th century.

Only a lying fool thinks Jesus was or could have been a Zionist.

The term Zionism was DEFINED in the 19th century.

Of course during Jesus time, the word Zionism and its definition didn't exist. But now that we know what it means, we can see how people from thousands of years ago may have conformed to it.

You don't have to believe it, no one here is forcing you too

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Jesus could not have been a Zionist since Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events. There is a good reason why Zionism didn't exist in the 18th century.

Only a lying fool thinks Jesus was or could have been a Zionist.

The term Zionism was DEFINED in the 19th century.

Of course during Jesus time, the word Zionism and its definition didn't exist. But now that we know what it means, we can see how people from thousands of years ago may have conformed to it.

You don't have to believe it, no one here is forcing you too

 

[Kondor3]

Jesus could not have been a Zionist since Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events. There is a good reason why Zionism didn't exist in the 18th century. Only a lying fool thinks Jesus was or could have been a Zionist.

Thank you for sharing your personal opinion in the matter.

Its not opinion you idiot, its facts.

Zionism is a modern philosophy brought about by modern events.

Jesus was no more a Zionist than he was a Tea Party Patriot.

...The idea behind the OP is that 'Even Jesus is a Zionist'...

Implicit in that challenge are the following two points...

1. the OP can be construed literally - meaning that Jesus was one, in fact

2. the OP can be construed metaphorically - meaning that Jesus would have supported Zionism, and eligible to receive that label, as a descriptor.

...and, further implicit in the OP, is the idea that Zionism can be divided into two (2) timeframes...

1. modern-day Zionism, as a formal movement, as originated in the late 1800s.

2. earlier Zionism-like (pro-Jewish homeland) movements, stretching back into Antiquity

...and, in light of the fact that Zionism itself may be defined in two different ways...

1. support for a homeland for the Jews, on their ancestral/spiritual home soil

2. support for the modern State of Israel - to varying degrees or extent

...

Consequently, it may be logically inferred that Jesus was apparently a Zionist, using Zionism merely as a label for an attitude or position, in the simpler sense of the word, meaning that he supported the idea of his own people continuing to have a homeland on the soil they had controlled for the past several centuries prior to his birth.

Perhaps it would help to label Jesus as a Zionist using a small "Z" - a zionist.

...

It seems likely and credible to speculate that - could Jesus move forward in time to our own present age - say, up to the late 1800s... that Jesus would probably have been an early supporter of the early formal Zionism Movement, as we know it in modern times...

...

Right up to the point where disputes began over land ownership and governance, and right up to the point where harm began to befall those who were involved in such things...

...

In both a historical and in a modern-times speculative context, it seems appropriate to view Jesus of Nazareth as eligible to be labeled as a Zionist, as the 19th Century movement first unfolded, as a rather innocent concept and early-times plan...

It merely requires that one free one's mind of an over-reliance upon Literalism, and be able to take one's speculative nature out for a good, long metaphorical walk, to sense the likely accuracy or truth of such an observation...

All of this is entirely in keeping with the multi-facted speculative nature implicit in the OP...

No need to be rude, tough guy.

I suggest you work on your crippling over-reliance upon literalism, and deficiency-of-capacity to engage in metaphorical labeling and what-if speculation.

People who lack the imagination to think outside the box are boring.

 

[Victory67]

No need to be rude, tough guy.

I suggest you work on your crippling over-reliance upon literalism, and deficiency-of-capacity to engage in metaphorical labeling and what-if speculation.

People who lack the imagination to think outside the box are boring.

Im sorry dumbass, but Zionism is a modern day philosophy. It developed due to modern day events.

Only a foolish moron thinks David, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus, Solomon, or Isaiah could have possibly been a Zionist.

I can't believe we are even having such an ignorant discussion. The OP must be on the higher levels of the Autism Spectrum.