Evil corporations sit on $trillions while millions remain unemployed!

No. No, they do not. For example, 41% of Apple's sales are American based. The United States has less Coca-Cola production consumption than Mexico, Chile and Panama and it's still falling.

Corporations do not need America at all. Justifying the extraction of wealth from corporations simply due to the fact that they're native companies is generally a bogus concept. In the end, it really doesn't matter what you raise taxes to, because the truly rich will never pay them.

Meh, these sound like cherry-picked anomalies. Overall, nobody can consume like Americans.

While that may be true, it doesn't necessarily mean that these Corporations will be lost without you. There is plenty of profit to be made in building wealth in other countries. You really don't believe that a Chinese factory work building your iPad isn't thinking, 'Gee, it would be nice if I had one of these.'

As countries prosper, they become more of consumerist economy. Corporations will have newer and fresher markets to expand. Then America will have to decide whether or not it's worth it to marginalise these businesses.

It's much easier to keep existing customers than to find new ones. The first rule of business is to take care of the customers you already have. Increasingly, corporations are not doing that and people are starting to notice. Most American corporations would be fucked without American consumers.
 
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Meh, these sound like cherry-picked anomalies. Overall, nobody can consume like Americans.

Correction:

Overall. nobody HAS CONSUMED like Americans.

Don't confuse what will happen in the future with what has happened in the past. E.G. There is nothing to prevent India and China from consuming like America.....


Of course, there are finite resources, which means if India or China consumes more, then someone will need to consume less.............

it does not take much imagination to guess who this might be.

China is already becoming uncompetetive enough that corporations are looking to even more repressive and desperate countries for their working chattel. I think the American work ethic (maybe I should say busyness ethic) and facination with shiny new things will keep America the center of the action unless there's a complete economic collapse. Not saying that's not a possibility.
 
Thanks, but I'm not sure how funding infrastructure projects necessarily directly effects middle class income.
It generates jobs.

Nothing generates more jobs in a shorter amount of time than construction projects.

These projects could be given to those that already have jobs, and much of the income may go to owners of companies (the wealthy) that are awarded the government bid.
Owners don't dig the ditches or pour the asphalt. And competitive bidding gives owners with less overhead a shot at getting these contracts.
 
Increasingly, corporations are not doing that and people are starting to notice. Most American corporations would be fucked without American consumers.

These two thoughts combine what can only be total ignorance and the obvious.

No doubt American companies profit from Americans: Newsflash: French Companies profit from French consumers!!!

Second, the sweeping generalization that corporations are not satisfying consumers is an astonishingly ignorant display of prejudice: SOME corporations satisfy consumers better than others. For example, since last year there has been a 3% rise in the American Consumer Satisfaction Index for ALL corporations competing in the American airline transportation industry, yet there has been a 1.5% drop in the index for United Airlines.
 
Increasingly, corporations are not doing that and people are starting to notice. Most American corporations would be fucked without American consumers.

These two thoughts combine what can only be total ignorance and the obvious.

No doubt American companies profit from Americans: Newsflash: French Companies profit from French consumers!!!

Second, the sweeping generalization that corporations are not satisfying consumers is an astonishingly ignorant display of prejudice: SOME corporations satisfy consumers better than others. For example, since last year there has been a 3% rise in the American Consumer Satisfaction Index for ALL corporations competing in the American airline transportation industry, yet there has been a 1.5% drop in the index for United Airlines.

Ok, so where does that leave us with the attitude that if we don't mind our P's and Q's, corporations will just take their marbles and leave?
 
Increasingly, corporations are not doing that and people are starting to notice. Most American corporations would be fucked without American consumers.

These two thoughts combine what can only be total ignorance and the obvious.

No doubt American companies profit from Americans: Newsflash: French Companies profit from French consumers!!!

Second, the sweeping generalization that corporations are not satisfying consumers is an astonishingly ignorant display of prejudice: SOME corporations satisfy consumers better than others. For example, since last year there has been a 3% rise in the American Consumer Satisfaction Index for ALL corporations competing in the American airline transportation industry, yet there has been a 1.5% drop in the index for United Airlines.

Ok, so where does that leave us with the attitude that if we don't mind our P's and Q's, corporations will just take their marbles and leave?

I cannot begin to decipher whatever point you are trying to make.

Any country needs to attract investors. Investors are attracted by #1 Investment security and #2 growth. If another country offers more of either of these than the USA, then that's where the money will go. None of this has anything to do with consumer satisfaction, unless it contributes to growth.
 
Meh, these sound like cherry-picked anomalies. Overall, nobody can consume like Americans.

While that may be true, it doesn't necessarily mean that these Corporations will be lost without you. There is plenty of profit to be made in building wealth in other countries. You really don't believe that a Chinese factory work building your iPad isn't thinking, 'Gee, it would be nice if I had one of these.'

As countries prosper, they become more of consumerist economy. Corporations will have newer and fresher markets to expand. Then America will have to decide whether or not it's worth it to marginalise these businesses.

It's much easier to keep existing customers than to find new ones. The first rule of business is to take care of the customers you already have. Increasingly, corporations are not doing that and people are starting to notice. Most American corporations would be fucked without American consumers.

They're providing you a good or service that you want and at an affordable price. Businesses essentially, are taking care of you. And they are really not obligated to take care of you in any other form or fashion. If you want them to provide your country opportunities, you have to ask yourself and these corporations what it would take for them to do this.

If you don't treat your consumers right, you will lose them to businesses who will. If you aren't fair to your employees, you will lose them to businesses who are. This is no different from how corporations are treated by the Government and the nation. If you don't create a business friendly environment, you will lose them to countries which encourages business.

It's really that simple.
 
Thanks, but I'm not sure how funding infrastructure projects necessarily directly effects middle class income.
It generates jobs.

Nothing generates more jobs in a shorter amount of time than construction projects.

These projects could be given to those that already have jobs, and much of the income may go to owners of companies (the wealthy) that are awarded the government bid.
Owners don't dig the ditches or pour the asphalt. And competitive bidding gives owners with less overhead a shot at getting these contracts.

Nothing generates more jobs in a shorter amount of time than construction projects.

And Republicans are not going to let that happen.

First they scream Obama is doing nothing to create jobs.

Then they scream government can't create jobs.

Then they scream their jobs are being moved to China.

Then they scream education costs too much.

Then they scream education is for snobs.

The question I have is, "What is Republicans think they are qualifed to do?" We can't see their qualifications over all that "screaming".
 
While that may be true, it doesn't necessarily mean that these Corporations will be lost without you. There is plenty of profit to be made in building wealth in other countries. You really don't believe that a Chinese factory work building your iPad isn't thinking, 'Gee, it would be nice if I had one of these.'

As countries prosper, they become more of consumerist economy. Corporations will have newer and fresher markets to expand. Then America will have to decide whether or not it's worth it to marginalise these businesses.

It's much easier to keep existing customers than to find new ones. The first rule of business is to take care of the customers you already have. Increasingly, corporations are not doing that and people are starting to notice. Most American corporations would be fucked without American consumers.

They're providing you a good or service that you want and at an affordable price. Businesses essentially, are taking care of you. And they are really not obligated to take care of you in any other form or fashion. If you want them to provide your country opportunities, you have to ask yourself and these corporations what it would take for them to do this.

If you don't treat your consumers right, you will lose them to businesses who will. If you aren't fair to your employees, you will lose them to businesses who are. This is no different from how corporations are treated by the Government and the nation. If you don't create a business friendly environment, you will lose them to countries which encourages business.

It's really that simple.

Maybe I'm unique but I make it a point of trying to avoid companies whose business practices I don't agree with.

Of course, I agree that that's not always possible. I have no idea what proportion of BP oil sold as a commodity on the world market is in what I put in my tank. Nor do I know if the food I buy contains Monsanto product. However, eventually the truth usually comes out and customers turn on companies they perceive to have turned against them.
 
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It's much easier to keep existing customers than to find new ones. The first rule of business is to take care of the customers you already have. Increasingly, corporations are not doing that and people are starting to notice. Most American corporations would be fucked without American consumers.

They're providing you a good or service that you want and at an affordable price. Businesses essentially, are taking care of you. And they are really not obligated to take care of you in any other form or fashion. If you want them to provide your country opportunities, you have to ask yourself and these corporations what it would take for them to do this.

If you don't treat your consumers right, you will lose them to businesses who will. If you aren't fair to your employees, you will lose them to businesses who are. This is no different from how corporations are treated by the Government and the nation. If you don't create a business friendly environment, you will lose them to countries which encourages business.

It's really that simple.

Maybe I'm unique but I make it a point of trying to avoid companies whose business practices I don't agree with.

Of course, I agree that that's not always possible. I have no idea what proportion of BP oil sold as a commodity on the world market is in what I put in my tank. Nor do I know if the food I buy contains Monsanto product. However, eventually the truth usually comes out and customers turn on companies they perceive to have turned against them.

The Government actually makes more money through the sales of gasoline than the oil companies do. Ironically, the Government has no problem labeling oil companies as the boggy-man once gas prices fly North.

No one is legally obligated to support any business, which is why they work so hard for your services.
 
Fund science, tech and infrastructure

The goal should be for corporation to innovate and grow jobs, but also for the government to invest into infrastructure + R @ D. Anyone that wants a pure capitalist or socialist system doesn't know what they're talking about.

I think going after personal wealth=ok
Going after corporation=bad

As corporations use that money to hire people and expand. Maybe the democrats aren't totally wrong with raising taxes on people making more then 500k per year??? It isn't so good to expect people making less then 30k per year as we generally want them to increase their wealth to go from the lower to middle classes.

It's not just "fund science, tech and infrastructure. There has to be a direction and a goal.

Fortune Global 500 - Fortune

Out of the 5 largest companies in the world, number 5 is wholly owned by the Chinese government. Who says government can't do business?

And China is building a million robots to take over jobs paying $172 a month. Those robots could be created here. With dropping energy costs in this country, they would even be cheaper to run here.

But Republicans, those tiny minded fools, wanted to put an "pioneer of outsourcing" in as president. They think education is for snobs. They think science is a faith. They think even suggesting education for the more than 3.8 million jobs that go unfilled is an insult to hard working men and women who have no education.

I see education as an opportunity if it's done right.

We could build robots here. We could employ programmers. We could build the machines here. We could educate technicians to run the machines. So much we could do but Republicans stand in the way. It's not "government". It's "them".

Conservatives are a big proponent of education, as the more skills and experience you obtain the less likely you are to become dependent on the Federal Government to become the provider of your needs. College, hard work, initiative, and experience are all key components for attaining personal success into a better way of life. Unfortunately, with regard to public education, the greater emphasis is towards teacher unions, rather than the "quality" of education the kids receive. Education IS an opportunity, provided teacher tenure is not a priority over the instructor's skills and qualified ability to teach.

NATIONWIDE - 68% tested BELOW grade level in "Public Schools"

New York - 65% tested BELOW grade level
Illinois - 66% tested BELOW grade level
California - 77% tested BELOW grade level
District Of Columbia - 84% tested BELOW grade level

High School State Cards (updated March 2012) | Alliance for Excellent Education
 
It's not corporate wealth. it's corporate "take over".

Beside, you're not rich. And what if the government stopped your disability? You couldn't even come on this board and applaud corporations. You would have to do that from a piano box. Cramped, but not without a certain "style".

Dean, you're not making any sense at all.

Too many Republicans on this board feel they are on the side of millionaires because they too, are millionaires. Simply "millionaires without funds", but they are firmly convinced that one day, their ship will come in. So they are actually protecting what they imagine to be their future wealth. They call it "imagination". I know it to be "delusion".

oh boy, speaking of delusions...this is another one of yours out of many you post about "Republicans"...how they hate education and science are a couple more..
I don't see Republicans sitting around envying what OTHERS have (millionaires), that goes to you lefties who suffer badly from that green eyed monster...shallow and petty is what is shows
 
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They most likely pay more for those services than you do.

And they pay taxes you don't

Sure, and they write-off the cost.

What taxes related to income do corporations pay that 'you'-'I'-'we' don't?

You do realize that shipping companies pay higher tolls and per mileage federal and state fees don't you?

As Corp I pay much higher property taxes than you. I get taxed annually on my cleaning supplies, every chair, computer phone coffee maker etc that I have in my business and let's not forget workers' comp which is nothing but a tax that goes up every year even if you never had a claim

Every single permit, license etc I need is nothing but a tax

So maybe you should learn a little bit about running a business before you flap your gums.

And as I said before, no private business has an obligation to spend its money or to hire people.

So tell me, after you fee your customers for your expenses AND your deductibles, whats you effective cost?
 
Nothing generates more jobs in a shorter amount of time than construction projects.

And Republicans are not going to let that happen.

First they scream Obama is doing nothing to create jobs.

Then they scream government can't create jobs.

Then they scream their jobs are being moved to China.

Then they scream education costs too much.

Then they scream education is for snobs.

The question I have is, "What is Republicans think they are qualifed to do?" We can't see their qualifications over all that "screaming".
The mid-terms are just over a year away and for the very reasons you listed, that will not be a very happy time for republicans.
 
And I hire the exact amount of people I need to run my business. Just because I might be sitting on some cash is no reason to spend it buying shit I don't need or hiring extra people that will not increase my profit.

In order to argument against an illogical statement, it is best to nullify the premise, not further it.

As someone who has actually run a business (or two or three), the whole idea that there are tons of business owners out there "sitting on cash" is laughable. Except for Microsoft and Apple, I don't know any companies that experience a cash surplus. As a matter of fact, the one struggle most companies have is increasing their cash flow.

You're kidding....right? Have you NOT been watching the stock market? There's tens of trillions of dollars out there!
 
They're providing you a good or service that you want and at an affordable price. Businesses essentially, are taking care of you. And they are really not obligated to take care of you in any other form or fashion. If you want them to provide your country opportunities, you have to ask yourself and these corporations what it would take for them to do this.

If you don't treat your consumers right, you will lose them to businesses who will. If you aren't fair to your employees, you will lose them to businesses who are. This is no different from how corporations are treated by the Government and the nation. If you don't create a business friendly environment, you will lose them to countries which encourages business.

It's really that simple.

Maybe I'm unique but I make it a point of trying to avoid companies whose business practices I don't agree with.

Of course, I agree that that's not always possible. I have no idea what proportion of BP oil sold as a commodity on the world market is in what I put in my tank. Nor do I know if the food I buy contains Monsanto product. However, eventually the truth usually comes out and customers turn on companies they perceive to have turned against them.

The Government actually makes more money through the sales of gasoline than the oil companies do. Ironically, the Government has no problem labeling oil companies as the boggy-man once gas prices fly North.

No one is legally obligated to support any business, which is why they work so hard for your services.

Really? The oil companies own the oil wells, the pipeline from the wells to the refinery, the refinery, the transport from the refinery to the stations, the pumps, most of the jobber companies, and most of the 'C' stores. Each one of the separate entities sells product to the next at a mark-up. PLUS, they don't have to worry about supply and demand cause a bunch of investors set the prices.

So oil companies aren't the 'boggy-man'?
 
And I hire the exact amount of people I need to run my business. Just because I might be sitting on some cash is no reason to spend it buying shit I don't need or hiring extra people that will not increase my profit.

In order to argument against an illogical statement, it is best to nullify the premise, not further it.

As someone who has actually run a business (or two or three), the whole idea that there are tons of business owners out there "sitting on cash" is laughable. Except for Microsoft and Apple, I don't know any companies that experience a cash surplus. As a matter of fact, the one struggle most companies have is increasing their cash flow.

You're kidding....right? Have you NOT been watching the stock market? There's tens of trillions of dollars out there!

So/

There is no obligation for anyone to spend their money. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
 
And I hire the exact amount of people I need to run my business. Just because I might be sitting on some cash is no reason to spend it buying shit I don't need or hiring extra people that will not increase my profit.

In order to argument against an illogical statement, it is best to nullify the premise, not further it.

As someone who has actually run a business (or two or three), the whole idea that there are tons of business owners out there "sitting on cash" is laughable. Except for Microsoft and Apple, I don't know any companies that experience a cash surplus. As a matter of fact, the one struggle most companies have is increasing their cash flow.

You're kidding....right? Have you NOT been watching the stock market? There's tens of trillions of dollars out there!

Oh my goodness, I was having trouble hearing you over the sound of pounding my head on the table ... the price of a company's stock has very little to do with their profits. Yes, publicly held companies sell stock (not all businesses sell stock) to raise money. It is one way they raise money. However, that in no way implies that enough money is raised to fully meet the operational needs or goals.
 

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