Executive Order to forgive $50,000 in student debt

[Shelzin]

Palatial benefits? You really should lay off the drugs and alcohol while posting. BTW, I guess you are another know-it-all talking about "time off".

As a teacher, a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work. I still arrived 45 minutes to an hour before the students. I normally did my planning for the next day after school and then coached sports, the pay for which was below minimum wage because it was paid by the season. Another 45 minute commute, and I would often get home by 7 pm if I didn't have a game to coach. After dinner, 2-3 hours grading homework was required. Then, it was crawl off to bed so I could do it all again the next day.

Summers we were required to do 80 hours in-service training at our school and if the district required, even more. Any other time I was not working, I was usually looking for another job because schools like those fresh young things straight out of college because they could hire two of them for my meager paycheck, That should give you an idea how bad the starting pay was.

Got any other misconceptions of what a teacher's day was like? I did it for 19 years and was an assistant principal almost 2 years.

Well... Hello.

What do you think about "No Child Left Behind" and "Every Child Succeeds"

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Palatial benefits? You really should lay off the drugs and alcohol while posting. BTW, I guess you are another know-it-all talking about "time off".

As a teacher, a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work. I still arrived 45 minutes to an hour before the students. I normally did my planning for the next day after school and then coached sports, the pay for which was below minimum wage because it was paid by the season. Another 45 minute commute, and I would often get home by 7 pm if I didn't have a game to coach. After dinner, 2-3 hours grading homework was required. Then, it was crawl off to bed so I could do it all again the next day.

Summers we were required to do 80 hours in-service training at our school and if the district required, even more. Any other time I was not working, I was usually looking for another job because schools like those fresh young things straight out of college because they could hire two of them for my meager paycheck, That should give you an idea how bad the starting pay was.

Got any other misconceptions of what a teacher's day was like? I did it for 19 years and was an assistant principal almost 2 years.

Well... Hello.

What do you think about "No Child Left Behind" and "Every Child Succeeds"

Those programs should be controlled at the local level and should have never been implemented. Next question!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Palatial benefits? You really should lay off the drugs and alcohol while posting. BTW, I guess you are another know-it-all talking about "time off".

As a teacher, a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work. I still arrived 45 minutes to an hour before the students. I normally did my planning for the next day after school and then coached sports, the pay for which was below minimum wage because it was paid by the season. Another 45 minute commute, and I would often get home by 7 pm if I didn't have a game to coach. After dinner, 2-3 hours grading homework was required. Then, it was crawl off to bed so I could do it all again the next day.

Summers we were required to do 80 hours in-service training at our school and if the district required, even more. Any other time I was not working, I was usually looking for another job because schools like those fresh young things straight out of college because they could hire two of them for my meager paycheck, That should give you an idea how bad the starting pay was.

Got any other misconceptions of what a teacher's day was like? I did it for 19 years and was an assistant principal almost 2 years.

Well... Hello.

What do you think about "No Child Left Behind" and "Every Child Succeeds"

Those programs should be controlled at the local level and should have never been implemented. Next question!

Then why weren't they? I mean... The States had 100+ years to do it.

 

[Shelzin]

Those programs should be controlled at the local level and should have never been implemented. Next question!

Thank you.

Edit: Sorry about not raising my hand first. It's been a while.

 

[Shelzin]

Then why weren't they? I mean... The States had 100+ years to do it.

They were. However some states were falling behind. Mainly ones with very large populations in small areas. Had to do SOMETHING about that.

 

[noonereal]

Exorbitant pay and benefits

agree

"soft" employment

agree

such a silly idea

also agree, no reason for such palatial benefits and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much time off

Palatial benefits? You really should lay off the drugs and alcohol while posting. BTW, I guess you are another know-it-all talking about "time off".

As a teacher, a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work. I still arrived 45 minutes to an hour before the students. I normally did my planning for the next day after school and then coached sports, the pay for which was below minimum wage because it was paid by the season. Another 45 minute commute, and I would often get home by 7 pm if I didn't have a game to coach. After dinner, 2-3 hours grading homework was required. Then, it was crawl off to bed so I could do it all again the next day.

Summers we were required to do 80 hours in-service training at our school and if the district required, even more. Any other time I was not working, I was usually looking for another job because schools like those fresh young things straight out of college because they could hire two of them for my meager paycheck, That should give you an idea how bad the starting pay was.

Got any other misconceptions of what a teacher's day was like? I did it for 19 years and was an assistant principal almost 2 years.

OMG, what horse shit. "a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work"

Are you freakin' serious? This proves what a joke you are. Do you think none works don't commute? Seriously?

Honest, this entire post shows how freakin SPOILED teachers are. You have no clue what a real worker goes though.

80 hours? 80 freakin hours? For the entire summer and you have the nerve to even utter this?

You coach sports is a choice and I know of no one with such a cushy part time job. And you have no commute to get to this job.
BTW, teachers tend to be horrible coaches. They would never be hired as coaches in club sports. This is yet another teacher perk.

Honest, I "get" that you don't get it. Trust me, you have it better than about anyone as a teacher.

And teh benefits are TOTALLY out of whack for such a crappy job. You could NEVER get such benefits in the private sector.

Dude, you TOTALLY and COMPLETELY SPOILED. So much so that you do not even know it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Exorbitant pay and benefits

agree

"soft" employment

agree

such a silly idea

also agree, no reason for such palatial benefits and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much time off

Palatial benefits? You really should lay off the drugs and alcohol while posting. BTW, I guess you are another know-it-all talking about "time off".

As a teacher, a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work. I still arrived 45 minutes to an hour before the students. I normally did my planning for the next day after school and then coached sports, the pay for which was below minimum wage because it was paid by the season. Another 45 minute commute, and I would often get home by 7 pm if I didn't have a game to coach. After dinner, 2-3 hours grading homework was required. Then, it was crawl off to bed so I could do it all again the next day.

Summers we were required to do 80 hours in-service training at our school and if the district required, even more. Any other time I was not working, I was usually looking for another job because schools like those fresh young things straight out of college because they could hire two of them for my meager paycheck, That should give you an idea how bad the starting pay was.

Got any other misconceptions of what a teacher's day was like? I did it for 19 years and was an assistant principal almost 2 years.

OMG, what horse shit. "a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work"

Are you freakin' serious? This proves what a joke you are. Do you think none works don't commute? Seriously?

Honest, this entire post shows how freakin SPOILED teachers are. You have no clue what a real worker goes though.

80 hours? 80 freakin hours? For the entire summer and you have the nerve to even utter this?

You coach sports is a choice and I know of no one with such a cushy part time job. And you have no commute to get to this job.
BTW, teachers tend to be horrible coaches. They would never be hired as coaches in club sports. This is yet another teacher perk.

Honest, I "get" that you don't get it. Trust me, you have it better than about anyone as a teacher.

And teh benefits are TOTALLY out of whack for such a crappy job. You could NEVER get such benefits in the private sector.

Dude, you TOTALLY and COMPLETELY SPOILED. So much so that you do not even know it.

Then go get a job as a teacher and stop your embarrassing, jealous crybabying, ya dick.

 

[noonereal]

Exorbitant pay and benefits

agree

"soft" employment

agree

such a silly idea

also agree, no reason for such palatial benefits and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much time off

Palatial benefits? You really should lay off the drugs and alcohol while posting. BTW, I guess you are another know-it-all talking about "time off".

As a teacher, a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work. I still arrived 45 minutes to an hour before the students. I normally did my planning for the next day after school and then coached sports, the pay for which was below minimum wage because it was paid by the season. Another 45 minute commute, and I would often get home by 7 pm if I didn't have a game to coach. After dinner, 2-3 hours grading homework was required. Then, it was crawl off to bed so I could do it all again the next day.

Summers we were required to do 80 hours in-service training at our school and if the district required, even more. Any other time I was not working, I was usually looking for another job because schools like those fresh young things straight out of college because they could hire two of them for my meager paycheck, That should give you an idea how bad the starting pay was.

Got any other misconceptions of what a teacher's day was like? I did it for 19 years and was an assistant principal almost 2 years.

OMG, what horse shit. "a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work"

Are you freakin' serious? This proves what a joke you are. Do you think none works don't commute? Seriously?

Honest, this entire post shows how freakin SPOILED teachers are. You have no clue what a real worker goes though.

80 hours? 80 freakin hours? For the entire summer and you have the nerve to even utter this?

You coach sports is a choice and I know of no one with such a cushy part time job. And you have no commute to get to this job.
BTW, teachers tend to be horrible coaches. They would never be hired as coaches in club sports. This is yet another teacher perk.

Honest, I "get" that you don't get it. Trust me, you have it better than about anyone as a teacher.

And teh benefits are TOTALLY out of whack for such a crappy job. You could NEVER get such benefits in the private sector.

Dude, you TOTALLY and COMPLETELY SPOILED. So much so that you do not even know it.

Then go get a job as a teacher and stop your embarrassing, jealous crybabying, ya dick.

for someone like me it's way too big a pay cut, even given how over paid they are
Plus, like I said, I have far too much drive to settle for being a school teacher.

 

[Shelzin]

for someone like me it's way too big a pay cut, even given how over paid they are
Plus, like I said, I have far too much drive to settle for being a school teacher.

Do you really think people here believe that?

 

[candycorn]

FREE STUFF !!!

SOCIALISM !!! YAY !!!

it's all good.....until you run out of other peoples money

Did the farmers refuse their $24B in socialist support (on top of the subsidies)?

" Direct farm aid has climbed each year of Trump’s presidency, from $11.5 billion in 2017 to more than $32 billion this year — an all-time high, with potentially far more funding still to come in 2020, amounting to about two-thirds of the cost of the entire Department of Housing and Urban Development and more than the Agriculture Department’s $24 billion discretionary budget, according to a POLITICO analysis. But lawmakers have taken a largely hands-off approach, letting the department decide who gets the money and how much. "

‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

www.politico.com

You don’t know what the F your talking about, which doesn’t surprise me. Maybe you should sit down with a Rancher or Farmer and educate yourself before you make a bigger ass out of yourself.

Fuck off.

First we subsidized these guys...then we bailed them out twice. And we're still having to pay for food.

As I said...fuck off.

 

[Lesh]

for someone like me it's way too big a pay cut, even given how over paid they are

My don't we think a lot of our selves huh?

 

[Andylusion]

FREE STUFF !!!

SOCIALISM !!! YAY !!!

it's all good.....until you run out of other peoples money

Did the farmers refuse their $24B in socialist support (on top of the subsidies)?

" Direct farm aid has climbed each year of Trump’s presidency, from $11.5 billion in 2017 to more than $32 billion this year — an all-time high, with potentially far more funding still to come in 2020, amounting to about two-thirds of the cost of the entire Department of Housing and Urban Development and more than the Agriculture Department’s $24 billion discretionary budget, according to a POLITICO analysis. But lawmakers have taken a largely hands-off approach, letting the department decide who gets the money and how much. "

‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

www.politico.com

You don’t know what the F your talking about, which doesn’t surprise me. Maybe you should sit down with a Rancher or Farmer and educate yourself before you make a bigger ass out of yourself.

Fuck off.

First we subsidized these guys...then we bailed them out twice. And we're still having to pay for food.

As I said...fuck off.

Of course we have to pay for food. If you didn't have to pay for food, everyone would got take all the food they could, and everyone else would starve.

We saw this in Venezuela. Giving away food for free is the best, quickest, and fastest way to result in mass starvation.

Because as fast as you can blink, people will take the food, and sell it. Gangs quickly formed, and started carting the food to the border with Columbia and sold it on the black market for a huge profit.

As for subsidizing, I agree. The universal conservative position is to not subsidize anything.

I was against it when Obama did it. I was in favor of cutting subsidies under Bush. And I was against subsidies under Trump.

 

[candycorn]

FREE STUFF !!!

SOCIALISM !!! YAY !!!

it's all good.....until you run out of other peoples money

Did the farmers refuse their $24B in socialist support (on top of the subsidies)?

" Direct farm aid has climbed each year of Trump’s presidency, from $11.5 billion in 2017 to more than $32 billion this year — an all-time high, with potentially far more funding still to come in 2020, amounting to about two-thirds of the cost of the entire Department of Housing and Urban Development and more than the Agriculture Department’s $24 billion discretionary budget, according to a POLITICO analysis. But lawmakers have taken a largely hands-off approach, letting the department decide who gets the money and how much. "

‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

www.politico.com

You don’t know what the F your talking about, which doesn’t surprise me. Maybe you should sit down with a Rancher or Farmer and educate yourself before you make a bigger ass out of yourself.

Fuck off.

First we subsidized these guys...then we bailed them out twice. And we're still having to pay for food.

As I said...fuck off.

Of course we have to pay for food. If you didn't have to pay for food, everyone would got take all the food they could, and everyone else would starve.

Yes, we paid the farmers in the form of subsidies.
Then we paid them again in the first round of bail outs
Then we paid them again in the second round of bail outs
Then we pay them again when we buy the food they harvest.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, we paid the farmers in the form of subsidies.
Then we paid them again in the first round of bail outs
Then we paid them again in the second round of bail outs
Then we pay them again when we buy the food they harvest.

And farm subsidies only started when Trump took office?

 

[Andylusion]

When I was in high school, I went to an upper middle class school, rated one of the best in the central Ohio area.

One day I was invited to tour a private school in the area. At the time I was in 11th Grade. I was around 8th graders at the private school. What I found was that those 8th graders were using the exact same study material that I was using in 11th grade.

A few years later I got to thinking about that, and started looking up the how much money did each school system spend on students.

I looked up three school systems. The private school, the middle class school I went to, and the inner city school.

The inner city spent more money per student by a fairly large margin.
The middle class school spent less, by about 25%.
And the school that spent the least amount of money per student, was the private school. They spent almost 50% of as much money on students, as the inner city school.

Then I looked up test results, and academic performance.

The results were the exact opposite. The school that spent the least amount of money on students, had the highest test results in nearly every academic area. The school that spent the most, had the worst possible results. The school that spent the least, had the best results.

Yet in spite of this, teachers at public schools are paid more, for significantly worse academic results.

And even then, teacher at privart schools are significantly happier with their jobs, than teachers at public schools. They are happier while earning less money, and achieving better educational results.

So why is that?

This is why.

So in my opinion public school teachers are in fact over paid for the results they get.

 

[Andylusion]

FREE STUFF !!!

SOCIALISM !!! YAY !!!

it's all good.....until you run out of other peoples money

Did the farmers refuse their $24B in socialist support (on top of the subsidies)?

" Direct farm aid has climbed each year of Trump’s presidency, from $11.5 billion in 2017 to more than $32 billion this year — an all-time high, with potentially far more funding still to come in 2020, amounting to about two-thirds of the cost of the entire Department of Housing and Urban Development and more than the Agriculture Department’s $24 billion discretionary budget, according to a POLITICO analysis. But lawmakers have taken a largely hands-off approach, letting the department decide who gets the money and how much. "

‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

www.politico.com

You don’t know what the F your talking about, which doesn’t surprise me. Maybe you should sit down with a Rancher or Farmer and educate yourself before you make a bigger ass out of yourself.

Fuck off.

First we subsidized these guys...then we bailed them out twice. And we're still having to pay for food.

As I said...fuck off.

Of course we have to pay for food. If you didn't have to pay for food, everyone would got take all the food they could, and everyone else would starve.

Yes, we paid the farmers in the form of subsidies.
Then we paid them again in the first round of bail outs
Then we paid them again in the second round of bail outs
Then we pay them again when we buy the food they harvest.

As I said..... conservatives are against all bailouts. All. Meaning... all. That is why the tea party was formed, was to oppose bailouts.

But yes still have to pay for food when you buy. Always. Whether you have a bailout or not, giving away food for free is a great way to bankrupt society and have mass starvation. Learn from Venezuelan refugees.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I looked up three school systems. The private school, the middle class school I went to, and the inner city school.

The inner city spent more money per student by a fairly large margin.
The middle class school spent less, by about 25%.
And the school that spent the least amount of money per student, was the private school. They spent almost 50% of as much money on students, as the inner city school.

I went to a private Catholic school in my primary education years. The small school was run by Sister Dennis. If you had a problem with your teacher, you went to Sister Dennis. If you were late for class, the teacher sent you to Sister Dennis. If a light bulb was burned out in one of the hallways, you reported it to Sister Dennis. She would actually get on a ladder and change it herself. Sister Dennis handled any and all problems.

We didn't have lockers, we didn't change classes, we didn't have a cafeteria, we didn't have school buses. During the warmer months when it got hot, the nun or teacher would open up a window, and if we were lucky, the boys would be allowed to take off their tie.

When the school needed money beyond what parishioners could fund, we had bake sales, rummage sales, went house to house and sold cookies.

Later I attended a public school, and my Lord, what a difference. Multiple school buses, football fields, football teams, air conditioning, a cafeteria, a principal, assistant principal, secretaries, maintenance people, several counselors, all doing the same job Sister Dennis used to do all by herself.

This is why.

So in my opinion public school teachers are in fact over paid for the results they get.

If you are to lay the onus on teachers alone. My experience is if the parent(s) doesn't care about their child's education, all the best teachers in the country won't make a difference in a failing student.

 

[Turtlesoup]

If banks and businesses didn't have to pay the money back, I don't see why all should not be held to the same standard.

Because, the taxpayers are tired of picking up the tab for your lazy ass non-productive asses. Just a thought. You take out the loan, you pay it back dead beat.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Exorbitant pay and benefits

agree

"soft" employment

agree

such a silly idea

also agree, no reason for such palatial benefits and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much time off

Palatial benefits? You really should lay off the drugs and alcohol while posting. BTW, I guess you are another know-it-all talking about "time off".

As a teacher, a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work. I still arrived 45 minutes to an hour before the students. I normally did my planning for the next day after school and then coached sports, the pay for which was below minimum wage because it was paid by the season. Another 45 minute commute, and I would often get home by 7 pm if I didn't have a game to coach. After dinner, 2-3 hours grading homework was required. Then, it was crawl off to bed so I could do it all again the next day.

Summers we were required to do 80 hours in-service training at our school and if the district required, even more. Any other time I was not working, I was usually looking for another job because schools like those fresh young things straight out of college because they could hire two of them for my meager paycheck, That should give you an idea how bad the starting pay was.

Got any other misconceptions of what a teacher's day was like? I did it for 19 years and was an assistant principal almost 2 years.

OMG, what horse shit. "a typical day began with a 45 minute commute to work"

Are you freakin' serious? This proves what a joke you are. Do you think none works don't commute? Seriously?

Honest, this entire post shows how freakin SPOILED teachers are. You have no clue what a real worker goes though.

80 hours? 80 freakin hours? For the entire summer and you have the nerve to even utter this?

You coach sports is a choice and I know of no one with such a cushy part time job. And you have no commute to get to this job.
BTW, teachers tend to be horrible coaches. They would never be hired as coaches in club sports. This is yet another teacher perk.

Honest, I "get" that you don't get it. Trust me, you have it better than about anyone as a teacher.

And teh benefits are TOTALLY out of whack for such a crappy job. You could NEVER get such benefits in the private sector.

Dude, you TOTALLY and COMPLETELY SPOILED. So much so that you do not even know it.

I assume that was supposed to be in English. Around here, no one drives that far unless they work in Louisville, and no one in their right mind works there. Have you ever commuted across a time zone change? I did that every day for three years. I gave you a ball-park figure. To Louisville, it was 90 minutes each way. I had to work there because everyone else was laid off due to budget cuts.

When is summer? For a teacher, it usually started the 2nd week of June and by mid-August you were back at work. How many hourly workers get paid vacation? Teachers get NOTHING. It is all unpaid. How many hourly workers work 10-12 hours per day and get paid for 7.5? How many hourly workers are required to have a Master's degree and the accompanying student loans?

When I was coaching, it usually started a half hour after school. If we had games, they sometimes lasted until 10pm. The season lasted about 10 weeks, with two to three games per week, plus practice every day. My compensation? About $3000, which was as a head coach. which I did for 7 years. I would make more working with my future daughter-in-law at McDonald's! In one of my school districts, all coaches and administrators were required to have a commercial chauffer's license, because you drove your own bus! Guess how much you were paid for that? No a freakin' penny!

Benefits? I paid my own benefits with the exception of the base medical coverage. My wife worked for a cable company and had better medical coverage than me. Our retirement was 100% self-funded and made ineligible for social security and disability. How is that a good deal?

I am not spoiled. You just don't know the facts because you see NYC, Chicago, and LA sucking up all of air time on CNN and MSNBC so you don't know about 97% of us would "kill" for what they have. Our states cannot afford it. The most money I ever made as a teacher was about $55K. I lost that job due to "budget cuts", which is a nice way of saying, if you stay you get tenure, so hit the road!

 

[Turtlesoup]

If banks and businesses didn't have to pay the money back, I don't see why all should not be held to the same standard.

he banks made bad loans they should be the only ones on the hook for the money

they are the ones giving kickbacks to warren and Omar who are pushing for taxpayers to pay back loans of the deadbeat college kids......