Explain Something To Me

[bendog]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

No. Trump has no core value beyond Trump. That is different from anyone, no matter what side of the aisle they are on ... consistently.

 

[g5000]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

I am not voting for either one of them. I am going to write in a name.

"Perfect candidate"? That's just another way of saying we should vote for the lesser of two evils? How's that been working out for you? We end up with worse and worse evils from which to choose. And when you vote for a lesser evil, you are still voting for EVIL.

There is nothing good about either Clinton or Trump. I absolutely REFUSE to vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.

I vote for the best, not the perfect, and neither Clinton nor Trump were the best their party had to offer.

Trump won the GOP nomination for two reasons.

1) Retards are more energetic than the average person, and so they turn out to vote in primaries out of proportion to their representation in the general population.

2) Trump only had 25% support, but the 75% anti-Trump vote was split among 15 other candidates.

If there were only one or two other GOP candidates in the primaries, Trump would have been kicked to the curb before Iowa.

A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have kicked Clinton over the moon.

 

[SwimExpert]

Donald Trump now says that the "way we left Iraq" led to the rise of ISIS.

Yet, in 2007, when Trump was a registered Democrat, when President Bush was calling for a surge in Iraq, Donald Trump wanted to cut-and-run!


Trump: "Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States, and I just don't understand how they could have lost that election."

"The rest of the world hates us."


Blitzer: How does the United States get out of this situation?

Trump: You know they get out? They get out! That's how they get out. Declare victory, and leave.



"Declare victory, and leave." Cut-and-run.



A lot of the same type of people today who support Trump are the type of people who supported the surge. They also strongly supported President Bush. And they especially hated cut-and-run Democrats like Donald Trump.



In 2008, Trump was demanding Bush be impeached! Trump liked and admired Nancy Pelosi back then, when the Right vehemently hated her.

Trump: "I was surprised that she (Nancy Pelosi) didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost -- it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Blitzer: "Impeaching him?"

Trump: "Absolutely, for the war, for the war."

Blitzer: "Because of the conduct of the war."

Trump: "Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And, yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."


So here is what I need Trump's Chumps to explain to me: How were Donald Trump's demands for impeachment and his demand we cut-and-run from Iraq any different from what Cindy Sheehan wanted?

Explain to me how Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run.


Now...I know your programmed response is, "B-b-b-b-but Clinton!", but spare us that crock of shit. It's a red herring handed to retards to chuck about when they can't explain Trump, and it doesn't answer the question.

Besides, not even Clinton called for Bush to be impeached. Only far left loons like Sheehan and Trump did.

So explain the difference between Trump and Sheehan. And explain Trump's whining about "the way we left Iraq" in the context of his demand we cut-and-run.

Isn't the answer obvious? Obama is a Kenyan, Maxist, Socialist, Ventriloquist, with a llama fetish. It changes everything.

 

[OldLady]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

I am not voting for either one of them. I am going to write in a name.

"Perfect candidate"? That's just another way of saying we should vote for the lesser of two evils? How's that been working out for you? We end up with worse and worse evils from which to choose. And when you vote for a lesser evil, you are still voting for EVIL.

There is nothing good about either Clinton or Trump. I absolutely REFUSE to vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.

I vote for the best, not the perfect, and neither Clinton nor Trump were the best their party had to offer.

Trump won the GOP nomination for two reasons.

1) Retards are more energetic than the average person, and so they turn out to vote in primaries out of proportion to their representation in the general population.

2) Trump only had 25% support, but the 75% anti-Trump vote was split among 15 other candidates.

If there were only one or two other GOP candidates in the primaries, Trump would have been kicked to the curb before Iowa.

A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have kicked Clinton over the moon.

I get your argument, but are you really equally concerned about which one of them takes the White House? I'm too askeered Trump might win. I've never done it before, but I feel I must vote against him for the sake of the country, maybe the planet.

 

[g5000]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

I am not voting for either one of them. I am going to write in a name.

"Perfect candidate"? That's just another way of saying we should vote for the lesser of two evils? How's that been working out for you? We end up with worse and worse evils from which to choose. And when you vote for a lesser evil, you are still voting for EVIL.

There is nothing good about either Clinton or Trump. I absolutely REFUSE to vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.

I vote for the best, not the perfect, and neither Clinton nor Trump were the best their party had to offer.

Trump won the GOP nomination for two reasons.

1) Retards are more energetic than the average person, and so they turn out to vote in primaries out of proportion to their representation in the general population.

2) Trump only had 25% support, but the 75% anti-Trump vote was split among 15 other candidates.

If there were only one or two other GOP candidates in the primaries, Trump would have been kicked to the curb before Iowa.

A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have kicked Clinton over the moon.

I get your argument, but are you really equally concerned about which one of them takes the White House? I'm too askeered Trump might win. I've never done it before, but I feel I must vote against him for the sake of the country, maybe the planet.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that got us to where we are. And as long as people keep thinking that way, it is only going to get worse.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

I am not voting for either one of them. I am going to write in a name.

"Perfect candidate"? That's just another way of saying we should vote for the lesser of two evils? How's that been working out for you? We end up with worse and worse evils from which to choose. And when you vote for a lesser evil, you are still voting for EVIL.

There is nothing good about either Clinton or Trump. I absolutely REFUSE to vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.

I vote for the best, not the perfect, and neither Clinton nor Trump were the best their party had to offer.

Trump won the GOP nomination for two reasons.

1) Retards are more energetic than the average person, and so they turn out to vote in primaries out of proportion to their representation in the general population.

2) Trump only had 25% support, but the 75% anti-Trump vote was split among 15 other candidates.

If there were only one or two other GOP candidates in the primaries, Trump would have been kicked to the curb before Iowa.

A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have kicked Clinton over the moon.

Ok, hold your head high and write in your canidate. You can sleep at night, but the heavy odds are one of those pieces of garbage will be president no matter how you vote. Whatever makes you feel good.

You're wrong about how Trump got the nomination however. At the end, it was a choice between 2 or 3 canidates, not 15. Trump got more delegates than all the others combined, and broke the record for most popular vote as well, in so your claim that the 75% anti Trump vote was split is not supported by any numbers I can find.
Trump passes Romney’s popular vote total, likely to break GOP record

He won because the horrible GOP leadership was so out of touch that they assumed they could tell all the REPS to vote for Jeb, and when that failed they offered Rubio, then Kasich, and finally Cruz. They didn't have a clue and now they all look like the idiots they are, and an Orange clown is the nominee.

So you write in a name and hold your head high, but know that you will live with Hellary Or the clown as president, probably.

 

[BluesLegend]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

No. Trump has no core value beyond Trump. That is different from anyone, no matter what side of the aisle they are on ... consistently.

^^^ a lie.

 

[bendog]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

I am not voting for either one of them. I am going to write in a name.

"Perfect candidate"? That's just another way of saying we should vote for the lesser of two evils? How's that been working out for you? We end up with worse and worse evils from which to choose. And when you vote for a lesser evil, you are still voting for EVIL.

There is nothing good about either Clinton or Trump. I absolutely REFUSE to vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.

I vote for the best, not the perfect, and neither Clinton nor Trump were the best their party had to offer.

Trump won the GOP nomination for two reasons.

1) Retards are more energetic than the average person, and so they turn out to vote in primaries out of proportion to their representation in the general population.

2) Trump only had 25% support, but the 75% anti-Trump vote was split among 15 other candidates.

If there were only one or two other GOP candidates in the primaries, Trump would have been kicked to the curb before Iowa.

A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have kicked Clinton over the moon.

I get your argument, but are you really equally concerned about which one of them takes the White House? I'm too askeered Trump might win. I've never done it before, but I feel I must vote against him for the sake of the country, maybe the planet.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that got us to where we are. And as long as people keep thinking that way, it is only going to get worse.

I can't really buy that. Obama won because he was on record of not supporting the invasion of Iraq, and the gop had ushered in a financial crisis. Mitt got out politicked.

 

[bendog]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

No. Trump has no core value beyond Trump. That is different from anyone, no matter what side of the aisle they are on ... consistently.

^^^ a lie.

What's his core position on opposing the Iraq war?

 

[ChrisL]

Donald Trump now says that the "way we left Iraq" led to the rise of ISIS.

Yet, in 2007, when Trump was a registered Democrat, when President Bush was calling for a surge in Iraq, Donald Trump wanted to cut-and-run!


Trump: "Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States, and I just don't understand how they could have lost that election."

"The rest of the world hates us."


Blitzer: How does the United States get out of this situation?

Trump: You know they get out? They get out! That's how they get out. Declare victory, and leave.



"Declare victory, and leave." Cut-and-run.



A lot of the same type of people today who support Trump are the type of people who supported the surge. They also strongly supported President Bush. And they especially hated cut-and-run Democrats like Donald Trump.



In 2008, Trump was demanding Bush be impeached! Trump liked and admired Nancy Pelosi back then, when the Right vehemently hated her.

Trump: "I was surprised that she (Nancy Pelosi) didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost -- it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Blitzer: "Impeaching him?"

Trump: "Absolutely, for the war, for the war."

Blitzer: "Because of the conduct of the war."

Trump: "Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And, yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."


So here is what I need Trump's Chumps to explain to me: How were Donald Trump's demands for impeachment and his demand we cut-and-run from Iraq any different from what Cindy Sheehan wanted?

Explain to me how Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run.


Now...I know your programmed response is, "B-b-b-b-but Clinton!", but spare us that crock of shit. It's a red herring handed to retards to chuck about when they can't explain Trump, and it doesn't answer the question.

Besides, not even Clinton called for Bush to be impeached. Only far left loons like Sheehan and Trump did.

So explain the difference between Trump and Sheehan. And explain Trump's whining about "the way we left Iraq" in the context of his demand we cut-and-run.

Was Donald Trump an elected official who actually got to make a vote on whether or not we went into Iraq? Hmm.

 

[Pilate]

How can he bitch about the way we left when he supported leaving? Well the two are separate. Leaving and how you leave are not the same thing. And in regards to his demands for impeachment, well I'm not really seeing the problem there. Please clarify.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Explain to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative so we can all have a huge fucking belly laugh.

Who are you voting for, which perfect canidate do you see on the ballot? Explain that to me.

I am not voting for either one of them. I am going to write in a name.

"Perfect candidate"? That's just another way of saying we should vote for the lesser of two evils? How's that been working out for you? We end up with worse and worse evils from which to choose. And when you vote for a lesser evil, you are still voting for EVIL.

There is nothing good about either Clinton or Trump. I absolutely REFUSE to vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.

I vote for the best, not the perfect, and neither Clinton nor Trump were the best their party had to offer.

Trump won the GOP nomination for two reasons.

1) Retards are more energetic than the average person, and so they turn out to vote in primaries out of proportion to their representation in the general population.

2) Trump only had 25% support, but the 75% anti-Trump vote was split among 15 other candidates.

If there were only one or two other GOP candidates in the primaries, Trump would have been kicked to the curb before Iowa.

A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have kicked Clinton over the moon.

I get your argument, but are you really equally concerned about which one of them takes the White House? I'm too askeered Trump might win. I've never done it before, but I feel I must vote against him for the sake of the country, maybe the planet.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that got us to where we are. And as long as people keep thinking that way, it is only going to get worse.

So write in your canidate and see how that works for you. It won't change a damn thing.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Donald Trump now says that the "way we left Iraq" led to the rise of ISIS.

Yet, in 2007, when Trump was a registered Democrat, when President Bush was calling for a surge in Iraq, Donald Trump wanted to cut-and-run!


Trump: "Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States, and I just don't understand how they could have lost that election."

"The rest of the world hates us."


Blitzer: How does the United States get out of this situation?

Trump: You know they get out? They get out! That's how they get out. Declare victory, and leave.



"Declare victory, and leave." Cut-and-run.



A lot of the same type of people today who support Trump are the type of people who supported the surge. They also strongly supported President Bush. And they especially hated cut-and-run Democrats like Donald Trump.



In 2008, Trump was demanding Bush be impeached! Trump liked and admired Nancy Pelosi back then, when the Right vehemently hated her.

Trump: "I was surprised that she (Nancy Pelosi) didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost -- it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Blitzer: "Impeaching him?"

Trump: "Absolutely, for the war, for the war."

Blitzer: "Because of the conduct of the war."

Trump: "Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And, yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."


So here is what I need Trump's Chumps to explain to me: How were Donald Trump's demands for impeachment and his demand we cut-and-run from Iraq any different from what Cindy Sheehan wanted?

Explain to me how Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run.


Now...I know your programmed response is, "B-b-b-b-but Clinton!", but spare us that crock of shit. It's a red herring handed to retards to chuck about when they can't explain Trump, and it doesn't answer the question.

Besides, not even Clinton called for Bush to be impeached. Only far left loons like Sheehan and Trump did.

So explain the difference between Trump and Sheehan. And explain Trump's whining about "the way we left Iraq" in the context of his demand we cut-and-run.

Was Donald Trump an elected official who actually got to make a vote on whether or not we went into Iraq? Hmm.

No, but that is a fact that doesn't concern the emotionally damaged on this board.

 

[Indeependent]

I'll describe the surge I would do...
Bomb the living shit out of every city that has signs that say, "America is Evil".
Then I'd leave.

 

[g5000]

Trump got more delegates than all the others combined, and broke the record for most popular vote as well...

Trump didn't even come close to the popular votes received by the Democrats this year and in 2008.

...so your claim that the 75% anti Trump vote was split is not supported by any numbers I can find.

In early polling, Trump only had 20 to 25% support:

CNN / ORC Poll: Trump tops in Iowa as Scott Walker drops - CNNPolitics.com

Trump tops the field with 22% and is the candidate seen as best able to handle top issues including the economy, illegal immigration and terrorism.

If there had been only one or two big name GOP opponents, Trump would have been slaughtered. The primary vote count, and the resultant delegate count, would have been radically different.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Donald Trump now says that the "way we left Iraq" led to the rise of ISIS.

Yet, in 2007, when Trump was a registered Democrat, when President Bush was calling for a surge in Iraq, Donald Trump wanted to cut-and-run!


Trump: "Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States, and I just don't understand how they could have lost that election."

"The rest of the world hates us."


Blitzer: How does the United States get out of this situation?

Trump: You know they get out? They get out! That's how they get out. Declare victory, and leave.



"Declare victory, and leave." Cut-and-run.



A lot of the same type of people today who support Trump are the type of people who supported the surge. They also strongly supported President Bush. And they especially hated cut-and-run Democrats like Donald Trump.



In 2008, Trump was demanding Bush be impeached! Trump liked and admired Nancy Pelosi back then, when the Right vehemently hated her.

Trump: "I was surprised that she (Nancy Pelosi) didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost -- it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Blitzer: "Impeaching him?"

Trump: "Absolutely, for the war, for the war."

Blitzer: "Because of the conduct of the war."

Trump: "Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And, yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."


So here is what I need Trump's Chumps to explain to me: How were Donald Trump's demands for impeachment and his demand we cut-and-run from Iraq any different from what Cindy Sheehan wanted?

Explain to me how Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run.


Now...I know your programmed response is, "B-b-b-b-but Clinton!", but spare us that crock of shit. It's a red herring handed to retards to chuck about when they can't explain Trump, and it doesn't answer the question.

Besides, not even Clinton called for Bush to be impeached. Only far left loons like Sheehan and Trump did.

So explain the difference between Trump and Sheehan. And explain Trump's whining about "the way we left Iraq" in the context of his demand we cut-and-run.

Without question, if the US had remained in Iraq as the Pentagon urged, ISIS would never have been created. So it is fair to say that when Obama withdrew US troops from Iraq against the advice of the Pentagon so that he would not to into the 2012 election being accused of breaking the main promise from 2008, he created ISIS. Nothing in your post suggests otherwise.

So what's your point?

That Trump misjudged the effectiveness of Petraeus' plan in 2007? Most of the senior staff at the Pentagon did; that's why Bush promoted him ahead of more senior generals so he could take command in Iraq. And let's not forget Hillary's outburst in the Senate:

'In a September 2007 congressional inquiry about the ongoing surge in Iraq, then Senator Hillary Clinton all but called Gen. David Petraeus a liar. After Petraeus gave a cautiously optimistic—and prescient—appraisal of the growing quiet in Iraq, Clinton curtly dismissed him with the literary term “suspension of disbelief,” which describes the creation of a fantasy world. Clinton sarcastically rebutted Petraeus’s quite accurate data with the curt dismissal, “I think that the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.”'

Hillary Clinton and the Suspension of Disbelief | RealClearPolitics

So Trump was wrong about the surge but he was right about Obama creating ISIS with Clinton at his side, but the most interesting thing about your post is that even back in 2007, major media outlets wanted Trump's input on the important issues of the day.

 

[blackhawk]

Explain Something To Me

All this time and you still haven't figured it out???!!!!! Or you don't want to.........

Or have and just like to pretend they haven't.

 

[g5000]

It still has not been explained to me how Donald Trump's demands for impeachment and his demand we cut-and-run from Iraq any different from what Cindy Sheehan wanted?

Nor has it been explained to me how Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run.

Nor has it been explained to me how Scott Walker and Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are the RINOs and how Donald Trump is a real conservative.

I think all Trump's Chumps can come up with is "B-b-b-but Clinton!' and "because Mexicans".

 

[g5000]

Donald Trump now says that the "way we left Iraq" led to the rise of ISIS.

Yet, in 2007, when Trump was a registered Democrat, when President Bush was calling for a surge in Iraq, Donald Trump wanted to cut-and-run!


Trump: "Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States, and I just don't understand how they could have lost that election."

"The rest of the world hates us."


Blitzer: How does the United States get out of this situation?

Trump: You know they get out? They get out! That's how they get out. Declare victory, and leave.



"Declare victory, and leave." Cut-and-run.



A lot of the same type of people today who support Trump are the type of people who supported the surge. They also strongly supported President Bush. And they especially hated cut-and-run Democrats like Donald Trump.



In 2008, Trump was demanding Bush be impeached! Trump liked and admired Nancy Pelosi back then, when the Right vehemently hated her.

Trump: "I was surprised that she (Nancy Pelosi) didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost -- it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Blitzer: "Impeaching him?"

Trump: "Absolutely, for the war, for the war."

Blitzer: "Because of the conduct of the war."

Trump: "Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And, yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."


So here is what I need Trump's Chumps to explain to me: How were Donald Trump's demands for impeachment and his demand we cut-and-run from Iraq any different from what Cindy Sheehan wanted?

Explain to me how Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run.


Now...I know your programmed response is, "B-b-b-b-but Clinton!", but spare us that crock of shit. It's a red herring handed to retards to chuck about when they can't explain Trump, and it doesn't answer the question.

Besides, not even Clinton called for Bush to be impeached. Only far left loons like Sheehan and Trump did.

So explain the difference between Trump and Sheehan. And explain Trump's whining about "the way we left Iraq" in the context of his demand we cut-and-run.

Without question, if the US had remained in Iraq as the Pentagon urged, ISIS would never have been created. So it is fair to say that when Obama withdrew US troops from Iraq against the advice of the Pentagon so that he would not to into the 2012 election being accused of breaking the main promise from 2008, he created ISIS. Nothing in your post suggests otherwise.

So what's your point?

That Trump misjudged the effectiveness of Petraeus' plan in 2007? Most of the senior staff at the Pentagon did; that's why Bush promoted him ahead of more senior generals so he could take command in Iraq. And let's not forget Hillary's outburst in the Senate:

'In a September 2007 congressional inquiry about the ongoing surge in Iraq, then Senator Hillary Clinton all but called Gen. David Petraeus a liar. After Petraeus gave a cautiously optimistic—and prescient—appraisal of the growing quiet in Iraq, Clinton curtly dismissed him with the literary term “suspension of disbelief,” which describes the creation of a fantasy world. Clinton sarcastically rebutted Petraeus’s quite accurate data with the curt dismissal, “I think that the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.”'

Hillary Clinton and the Suspension of Disbelief | RealClearPolitics

So Trump was wrong about the surge but he was right about Obama creating ISIS with Clinton at his side, but the most interesting thing about your post is that even back in 2007, major media outlets wanted Trump's input on the important issues of the day.

Trump wanted to cut-and-run in 2007. The very kind of thing you and Trump now say "created ISIS".

How Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" and how can he whine about the cutting and running which "created ISIS" when he was one of the people who demanded we cut-and-run?

He wanted to cut-and-run long before Obama did it. He got what he wanted!

"Declare victory, and leave!"

Trump got what he wanted, so how can he now blame the very cut-and-run policy he demanded for creating ISIS?


Explain.

 

[SwimExpert]

Donald Trump now says that the "way we left Iraq" led to the rise of ISIS.

Yet, in 2007, when Trump was a registered Democrat, when President Bush was calling for a surge in Iraq, Donald Trump wanted to cut-and-run!


Trump: "Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States, and I just don't understand how they could have lost that election."

"The rest of the world hates us."


Blitzer: How does the United States get out of this situation?

Trump: You know they get out? They get out! That's how they get out. Declare victory, and leave.



"Declare victory, and leave." Cut-and-run.



A lot of the same type of people today who support Trump are the type of people who supported the surge. They also strongly supported President Bush. And they especially hated cut-and-run Democrats like Donald Trump.



In 2008, Trump was demanding Bush be impeached! Trump liked and admired Nancy Pelosi back then, when the Right vehemently hated her.

Trump: "I was surprised that she (Nancy Pelosi) didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost -- it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Blitzer: "Impeaching him?"

Trump: "Absolutely, for the war, for the war."

Blitzer: "Because of the conduct of the war."

Trump: "Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And, yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."


So here is what I need Trump's Chumps to explain to me: How were Donald Trump's demands for impeachment and his demand we cut-and-run from Iraq any different from what Cindy Sheehan wanted?

Explain to me how Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run.


Now...I know your programmed response is, "B-b-b-b-but Clinton!", but spare us that crock of shit. It's a red herring handed to retards to chuck about when they can't explain Trump, and it doesn't answer the question.

Besides, not even Clinton called for Bush to be impeached. Only far left loons like Sheehan and Trump did.

So explain the difference between Trump and Sheehan. And explain Trump's whining about "the way we left Iraq" in the context of his demand we cut-and-run.

Without question, if the US had remained in Iraq as the Pentagon urged, ISIS would never have been created. So it is fair to say that when Obama withdrew US troops from Iraq against the advice of the Pentagon so that he would not to into the 2012 election being accused of breaking the main promise from 2008, he created ISIS. Nothing in your post suggests otherwise.

So what's your point?

That Trump misjudged the effectiveness of Petraeus' plan in 2007? Most of the senior staff at the Pentagon did; that's why Bush promoted him ahead of more senior generals so he could take command in Iraq. And let's not forget Hillary's outburst in the Senate:

'In a September 2007 congressional inquiry about the ongoing surge in Iraq, then Senator Hillary Clinton all but called Gen. David Petraeus a liar. After Petraeus gave a cautiously optimistic—and prescient—appraisal of the growing quiet in Iraq, Clinton curtly dismissed him with the literary term “suspension of disbelief,” which describes the creation of a fantasy world. Clinton sarcastically rebutted Petraeus’s quite accurate data with the curt dismissal, “I think that the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.”'

Hillary Clinton and the Suspension of Disbelief | RealClearPolitics

So Trump was wrong about the surge but he was right about Obama creating ISIS with Clinton at his side, but the most interesting thing about your post is that even back in 2007, major media outlets wanted Trump's input on the important issues of the day.

Trump wanted to cut-and-run in 2007. The very kind of thing you and Trump now say "created ISIS".

How Trump can whine today about "the way we left Iraq" and how cutting and running "created ISIS" when he was one of the people who wanted to cut-and-run?

So in essence, if Trump had been elected President in 2004, he would have created ISIS too, but even sooner than Obama. Now we know what he means by making America great again.