Explain to us Libs, what is a living wage?

[dnsmith35]

Everybody wants their perfect NHS- you can wait a million years or implement ACA- and work on it, like every other modern country. Single payer is WAY ORFF- Can hardly pass this Bob Dole version...

Obama is not going to raise the min. wage until the recovery is firm, ie, when pubs get their ass handed to them or start compromising like good Americans. 2013.

YOUR entire post and especially your signature lines, are PURE BULLCRAP.

 

[francoHFW]

So ACA is costing jobs- pretty damn hard to tell whether it's Pub fear mongering, the absolute gov't paralysis they've caused since 2/2010, blocking ALL THE NORMAL JOBS BILLS...of course all the neutral experts say it WON"T cause that, but I'm sure the bought morons who caused the DEPRESSION are right.

Any body who talks about the waivers is OBVIOUSLY FULL OF PUBSHYTTE, A-hole.

Health Care, Affordable Education, and $11 living wage. You want a GD diagram, Pub Dupe? LOL!

 

[francoHFW]

Links to my incorrect signature, moron? Not from Murdoch, Rev. Moon, or Koch Brocrappe?

 

[Bern80]

But I disagree with you about why colleges are so expensive. I believe it is the student aid programs which allow people who have no business in college create an excess of professors who need to be paid (according to them) top 1%er type incomes.

I still think my earlier rationale is part of it, but agree with the above too. To me it's going to require a paradigm shift in collective thinking. College aint' for everyone folks. It's an investment and research needs to go into whether that investment is going to pay off afterwards.

 

[francoHFW]

THERE ARE NO WAIVERS TO GET PEOPLE OFF ACA for good, just waivers until it starts for crap plans like McD's, etc, and waivers for union "Cadillac plans" until the contracts are up and they renegotiate. YOU are misinformed by the Pub propaganda Machine and do- nothing corporate networks...

Don't worry, your demonstrably stupid leftwingretard congressmen will dream them up when the businesses start firing workers they can't afford to buy health care for.

You people are so dumb. You admit your whole argument is total BS, and then just go right on. Tomorrow you'll be back with the same crappe again. The GOP should be called the brainwashed (hate)ignorance Party...



Oh, $11, the equivalent of the Great Society's min wage, 1968. Pubdolts!

 

[francoHFW]

But I disagree with you about why colleges are so expensive. I believe it is the student aid programs which allow people who have no business in college create an excess of professors who need to be paid (according to them) top 1%er type incomes.

I still think my earlier rationale is part of it, but agree with the above too. To me it's going to require a paradigm shift in collective thinking. College aint' for everyone folks. It's an investment and research needs to go into whether that investment is going to pay off afterwards.

What would Jefferson say would be the importance of an informed electorate?

 

[dnsmith35]

THERE ARE NO WAIVERS TO GET PEOPLE OFF ACA for good, just waivers until it starts for crap plans like McD's, etc, and waivers for union "Cadillac plans" until the contracts are up and they renegotiate. YOU are misinformed by the Pub propaganda Machine and do- nothing corporate networks...

Don't worry, your demonstrably stupid leftwingretard congressmen will dream them up when the businesses start firing workers they can't afford to buy health care for.

You people are so dumb. You admit your whole argument is total BS, and then just go right on. Tomorrow you'll be back with the same crappe again. The GOP should be called the brainwashed (hate)ignorance Party...



Oh, $11, the equivalent of the Great Society's min wage, 1968. Pubdolts!

You are completely delusiional.

 

[dnsmith35]

What would Jefferson say would be the importance of an informed electorate?

If he saw what passes for leftwingretard "informing the electorate" he would cry and go back to Great Britain. Leftwingretard propaganda rules the airways and do not inform, they misinform.

 

[dnsmith35]

But I disagree with you about why colleges are so expensive. I believe it is the student aid programs which allow people who have no business in college create an excess of professors who need to be paid (according to them) top 1%er type incomes.

I still think my earlier rationale is part of it, but agree with the above too. To me it's going to require a paradigm shift in collective thinking. College aint' for everyone folks. It's an investment and research needs to go into whether that investment is going to pay off afterwards.

Is there an ignore function on this forum? I am tired of the bullcrap that leftwingretard spews onto the forum.

 

[dnsmith35]

AAhh, peace. No morel leftwingretard posts to read.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Actually I'm 60 years old so I know what Nixon did to the country. And you don't have to listen to Rush to be a dittohead/Pub dupe/Foxbot/Moonie- It'all the same dumb and dumber, un-American, brainwashed, ignorant, Pubcrappe- see signature. The truth is repetitive- your BS is endlessly new, different, and horseshytte. You're a disgrace to America and humanity, dittohead/Foxbot/Moonie /haters. Hoping for your recovery. Then you'll understand it. LOL

Actually yes you would. One would have to first know what these people say to parrot them, which is basically what you're accussing the rest of us of being because you're too much of a chicken shit to actually debate the issue. I don't listen to Rush. I don't watch Fox. Hell, I'm not even a registered Republcan. I'm a libertarian. As such I dislike Republicans nearly as much as I dislike Democrats. Not agreeing with you doesn't make me pub dupe. It doesn't change the FACT that what the min. wage equivalent was in 1968 is IRRELEVENT. YOU AREN'T ENTITLED TO A LIVING WAGE.

The only disgrace here is you. How the fuck did you get to be 60 years old and this stupid? The old axiom appears true with you. You really can't teach an old dog anything new. Stop pissing and moaning about what people are supposed to do for you and try anyway.

The above exchange is an example as to why I put frankie on ignore.
This gguy is 60 years old,I'm guessing retired from his taxpayer funded cushy job. He should be out fishing or playing golf.
Instead he sits in front of his computer popping blood pressure pills by the dozen while he "sharts" his Depends as he lives and breathes fire from every word, every syllable from those who dare to exist outside his lib/progressive template.
People like frankie have a base hatred for all things/people not in line with the lib/socialist/progressive template.

 

[Bern80]

But I disagree with you about why colleges are so expensive. I believe it is the student aid programs which allow people who have no business in college create an excess of professors who need to be paid (according to them) top 1%er type incomes.

I still think my earlier rationale is part of it, but agree with the above too. To me it's going to require a paradigm shift in collective thinking. College aint' for everyone folks. It's an investment and research needs to go into whether that investment is going to pay off afterwards.

What would Jefferson say would be the importance of an informed electorate?

I'm not talking about having an uninformed electortate. Way to totally miss the point and, by extension, lend some credibility to my argument.

 

[dnsmith35]

I still think my earlier rationale is part of it, but agree with the above too. To me it's going to require a paradigm shift in collective thinking. College aint' for everyone folks. It's an investment and research needs to go into whether that investment is going to pay off afterwards.

What would Jefferson say would be the importance of an informed electorate?

I'm not talking about having an uninformed electortate. Way to totally miss the point and, by extension, lend some credibility to my argument.

That post was aimed at Franco, not you. We do need an informed electorate. Much of our electorate wouldn't understand the discussions if force fed it. I also believe there is too much leftwing propaganda. In my opinion, people who cannot express even the slightest understanding of current events are not capable of making a reasonable choice. Jefferson would cry about our letting completely un or misinformed people vote.

BTW, I am 76, stay informed, read news as close to the original actual happening and choose never to listen to commentary (which is nothing but an opinion by people no more or probably less informed than I am.)

 

[francoHFW]

Point is, college has NEVER been more expensive, or the costs rising faster, than under voodoo, and especially, BOOOOSH. Same with health costs.
Pub propaganda, totally WRONG, blames everything on the black guy, the gay guy, and the poor and unemployed. Get out of the way, ignorant or greedy BANANA REPUBLICANS they have these days. The majority want a modern country, with affordable college, health care, and a living wage.

That would be $11, the equivalent of 1968's min. wage, and similar to every other modern country.

 

[dnsmith35]

No matter what you said Franco, I can safely say Bah Humbug because you are the least informed person I have ever had the misfortune to read. Go back to school, learn how to read with understanding, find an unbiased source, read it, digest it, then come back and post some reality instead of the hogwash you have been posting today. You are the epitome of the un/misinformed voter. Jefferson would cry over your lack of substance.

 

[Bern80]

Point is, college has NEVER been more expensive, or the costs rising faster, than under voodoo, and especially, BOOOOSH. Same with health costs.
Pub propaganda, totally WRONG, blames everything on the black guy, the gay guy, and the poor and unemployed. Get out of the way, ignorant or greedy BANANA REPUBLICANS they have these days. The majority want a modern country, with affordable college, health care, and a living wage.

That would be $11, the equivalent of 1968's min. wage, and similar to every other modern country.

Uh yeah .. who in this thread has blamed any of this on blacks or gays? When was the last time a Republican blamed our situation on any of those groups. You're just plain making shit up at this point. I have no problem blaming some of the poor. They are people like you complaining about not being provided something by someone else. Something most are perfectly capable of doing on their own. Just as with JRK, you have gone 60 some odd years wanting the world to play by your selfish rules. A few words from Albert Einstein are extremely appropriate here. "Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, the fish will live it's whole life thinking it is a failure." The same concept applies here. Idiots like you judge employers on their ability to provide you enough to live on. Subsequently a great many of them are failures in your eyes. That is the same thing as calling fish a failure for not being able to climb a tree. It isn't your employers job or purpose to provide you enough to live on. That ought to be YOUR purpose.

 

[dnsmith35]

Do you know where Franco makes his mistake? It is not that he is liberal or a Democrat. He makes his mistake by never explaining WHY his opinions make sense even to him. That is a complete admission that he is only posting a rehash of his propaganda talking points garnered from left wing sites.

I have some opinions which are left of center, and I know some of the more conservative patrons will not agree with those opinions.

For example, I believe we need a progressive tax system. Why? Because those who make more money get more advantage of the infrastructure for which our taxes are spent allowing them to make more money.

On the flip side, I believe those who make more money are the ones responsible for creating the most jobs.

I believe in universal health care. Why? I believe that by taking care of the indigent who can't afford to buy health care, or those whose job don't provide insurance they can afford we will actually reduce health care over the long haul. There are also altruistic reasons in that I believe all human beings deserve medical care and that all innocent human beings every where are deserving as much as any other human being provided they work for it. All innocent humans are equal in the eyes of God.

For that reason I don't shiver in my boots every time someone cries about outsourcing as people in the 3rd world deserve a decent life as much as we in the industrialized west. They don't deserve it be given to them any more than people in the US, but they deserve the right to earn it. Further, eventually it makes good economic sense that eventually the 3rd world will have their economic revolution and their labor force will demand decent wages, a safe work place, and humane hours and conditions.

I believe in a good public education system; one which teaches core subjects to all students; one which removes disruptive students from mainline classes and installs them in alternative schools where they cannot be disruptive; schools where a student is not looked down upon or graded down because their parents either can't or won't help them with homework or encourage their education. Homework is a pet peeve of mine and is seriously discriminatory to students who don't have the good fortune to have parents who can and will help them.

Flip side, I believe that every student who wishes to attend a private school which has higher standards than the public school system in their district should be given vouchers equal to the average cost of education per student in the public schools.

I believe in welfare which helps those who are truly needy; provided that those who are able are expected, rather demanded, to perform public service in return for that assistance. Recognizing that some people are poor through no fault of their own I believe it is imperative we give them assistance. I don't believe in the blame game, whereas had that person when young applied themselves more they could get better jobs, because I am aware that all kids don't all have the same motivation and the same encouragement as others.

On the flip side, I believe that slow kids should be taught in a separate classroom so that teachers can give them extra help and such that they do not detract from the education of the more bright students.

I believe that we should not waste money on defense. That said, I do believe we should have a strong military, with a serious R&D program to keep technology the very best it can be with a manpower capable of fighting any war into which we are drawn or choose to be engaged. I do not believe in adventurism, but if we destroy the infrastructure of a country we owe them the rebuilding, unless that country overtly attacked us first. Better we create friendly ex-enemies than culture resentment and future bad will.

There are other issues where my opinions are liberal and some others which are conservative. I don't believe there is only one way to run the country. Another thing, simply because a past policy did not meet with the success for which we hoped, does not mean that with different conditions that policy won't work now. Example: repatriating overseas capital did little in 2004 other than help rebuild physical plant and modernized the companies. Not that that was not a good outcome, but it didn't create a lot of jobs. That does not mean that in the current situation repatriation of capital would not create jobs now; it likely would. Economic cycles and circumstances may well need some supply side economics as the demand side policies are not working well now. The attempt to spur demand by throwing huge sums of money did not do much in the way of job creations this time around, yet some would have us double down on a policy which did not help the recovery from recession as fast as past recessions have recovered.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Point is, college has NEVER been more expensive, or the costs rising faster, than under voodoo, and especially, BOOOOSH. Same with health costs.
Pub propaganda, totally WRONG, blames everything on the black guy, the gay guy, and the poor and unemployed. Get out of the way, ignorant or greedy BANANA REPUBLICANS they have these days. The majority want a modern country, with affordable college, health care, and a living wage.

That would be $11, the equivalent of 1968's min. wage, and similar to every other modern country.

Uh yeah .. who in this thread has blamed any of this on blacks or gays? When was the last time a Republican blamed our situation on any of those groups. You're just plain making shit up at this point. I have no problem blaming some of the poor. They are people like you complaining about not being provided something by someone else. Something most are perfectly capable of doing on their own. Just as with JRK, you have gone 60 some odd years wanting the world to play by your selfish rules. A few words from Albert Einstein are extremely appropriate here. "Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, the fish will live it's whole life thinking it is a failure." The same concept applies here. Idiots like you judge employers on their ability to provide you enough to live on. Subsequently a great many of them are failures in your eyes. That is the same thing as calling fish a failure for not being able to climb a tree. It isn't your employers job or purpose to provide you enough to live on. That ought to be YOUR purpose.

The are two common threads in every excuse libs produce as a reason for promoting the liberal agenda. One is because the politically correct groups are being persecuted by the "white western European controlled establishment". And of course, they believe government exists to "give" them the things that up until now must be earned.
I am sick and tired of liberal freeloaders and their progressive supporters bitching and whining about how horrible the country is while the only thing they will do about it is make their problems somebody else's problems.

 

[dnsmith35]

Great quotes from Chuck Norris:

"philosophic and sociological theory in which a culturally diverse society can be dominated (ruled) by one social class, by manipulating the societal culture (beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values) so that its ruling-class worldview is imposed as the societal norm, which is then perceived as a universally valid ideology and status quo beneficial to all of society, whilst benefiting only the ruling class."

To progressives, the masses don't need to understand the principles, just stand up for them. In fact, it's actually better that they remain ignorant. "Here our concern is [only] with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves."

Jefferson, "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. And it requires no very high degree of education to convince them of this. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."

 

[Foxfyre]

When I went to college, most of us didn't borrow much to do it. The rich kids could afford to pay their way. The rest of us worked summers, nights, weekend, or, in my case, for the university itself here and there during the week. And because the university utilized so much student labor for almost everything, the tuition, fees, housing, and other expenses were kept low enough for us to pretty much pay our way as we went along, maybe with some help from home for those who could get it.

My son and daughter did take out some student loans--our son because he chose to marry an expensive wife--she is no longer his wife--and our daughter because she accelerated her studies to get her degrees faster and that left her less time to work. But both owed less than $10 thousand when they graduated and for those with a marketable degree, that is very easy to pay off.

My son and daugher-in-law are currently putting our granddaughter through college on a pay-as-you-go basis and hope she will obtain her degree without taking out any student loans. It can be done for those who plan for it and manage competently. A living wage is what will pay for what you absoluely need and have to have; not necessarily all that you want.

So why have college cost escalated so much in recent decades? Look to federal government involvement for most of it; unions who won't allow students to do what the union workers do, tons of government tax payer provided grants, and a sense of entitlement that we are owed an education paid for by others. In order to get more and more federal monies, the universities don't even try to do anything economically or efficiently--what they get is based on what they say they need.

You can look at almost anything the government has become involved in--education, healthcare, etc.--and see how costs escalated almost immediately far faster than the rate of inflation in every single case.

If you want more people to earn a living wage, start rolling back the federal government to its constitutionally mandated responsibilities and let we the people handle it. Whenever that happens, wages generally will be in line with what they have to pay for.