Fascism

[Rustic]

So, are there any Democrats who oppose abortion in your "tent?" How about people who oppose so-called "gay marriage?"

I'm sure there are D's who oppose abortion. In fact while I support a women's right to decide, I support age appropriate Sex Ed as part of a comprehensive curriculum on health education, including information on how to prevent pregnancy (contraceptive methods) and facts on STD's in all public schools.

Of course their are bigots within the Democratic Party, do you think bigotry is limited to the callous conservative set of the Republican Party alone?

Trump will fix all of that fascist liberal bullshit....

No one can know how Trump will govern; Trump himself does not have a clue, nor do you.

It's looking like he intends to be pragmatic, ie non ideological, with American interests as his goal.

That gives us some idea. And it's a refreshing change.

With all Pols one must watch their feet, not their lips. It's not what Trump says he will do, it's what he does. And thus far all he has done is talk (move his lips) and appoint some of the very worst people to lead our nation: A Racist as AG, A polluter as Sect. of State and a dozen or more cronies or relatives to sensitive positions in government.

You have no clue what real what real racism is… obviously political correctness has made you ignorant on the subject.

 

[owebo]

Your use of the term fascism to smear your political enemies is no better.

"smear"? "dimocrat" and "libtard" are not words my ignorant friend, fascism is a word. And fascism was defined in the 14-points, that cannot be disputed. Calling those who support these, see here:

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - "Make America Great Again!" (you best wear that lapel flag, or else)
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Supports water torture & disdain for the Affordable Care Act
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - Muslims or Mexicans take your pick.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military - # of military personnel in his administration, supports nuclear weapon expansion
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism - Sexism is a matter of public record (opposed equal rights amendment)
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media - Attacks the MSM as dishonest and partisan
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security - Hate and fear, the substance of his stump speech
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Patronizes the Social Conservatives
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected - Have you seen his cabinet picks, esp. Sect. of State
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Gov. Walker comes to mind
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Lambasts Hollywood & Common Core
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Mindful of Nixon/Agnew Administration
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Have you seen his picks for his cabinet?
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections - Claims our elections are rigged, offers no proof.

The New Right can properly be labeled as fascist, and authoritarian.

Sounds like socialism, you know Hitler was a socialist?

No I didn't know Hitler was a Socialist, my understanding of history is Hitler was a despot and a mass murderer. You confuse psychopathology as something social - of course that is not the only thing which confuses you.

National SOcialism. He was certainly that. Very much hated by the NObility.

Your ignorance is laughable.

Yours is fascist.....

 

[Correll]

Your use of the term fascism to smear your political enemies is no better.

"smear"? "dimocrat" and "libtard" are not words my ignorant friend, fascism is a word. And fascism was defined in the 14-points, that cannot be disputed. Calling those who support these, see here:

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - "Make America Great Again!" (you best wear that lapel flag, or else)
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Supports water torture & disdain for the Affordable Care Act
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - Muslims or Mexicans take your pick.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military - # of military personnel in his administration, supports nuclear weapon expansion
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism - Sexism is a matter of public record (opposed equal rights amendment)
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media - Attacks the MSM as dishonest and partisan
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security - Hate and fear, the substance of his stump speech
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Patronizes the Social Conservatives
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected - Have you seen his cabinet picks, esp. Sect. of State
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Gov. Walker comes to mind
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Lambasts Hollywood & Common Core
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Mindful of Nixon/Agnew Administration
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Have you seen his picks for his cabinet?
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections - Claims our elections are rigged, offers no proof.

The New Right can properly be labeled as fascist, and authoritarian.

Sounds like socialism, you know Hitler was a socialist?

No I didn't know Hitler was a Socialist, my understanding of history is Hitler was a despot and a mass murderer. You confuse psychopathology as something social - of course that is not the only thing which confuses you.

National SOcialism. He was certainly that. Very much hated by the NObility.

Your ignorance is laughable.

I asked you what motivated the forces that defeated Hitler's Fascist Germany.

You did not answer.

Hint: It was Russian and American nationalism.

Your assumption that nationalism is always bad, is based on your lefty Universalism. But is it just that, an assumption.

 

[Coyote]

So any definition that disagree's with yours is "bullshit" regardless of it's origins?

Socialism:
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Yeah, that's pretty much correct. There is no requirement for democracy to make a system socialist. That's a recent addition after the Soviet Union embarrassed all socialists with it's existence. And the rest of the definition is equally wrong. Not all forms of "collective ownership" are socialist. Corporations are based on collective ownership, but not even you would call them socialist. Socialism is always based on coercion. If people are free to flout the rules and commands of the socialist authorities, then socialism becomes a joke.

Anyone who claims there are multiple definitions of a term is simply admitting that he doesn't know what a definition is.

No one said that all forms of collective ownership are socialist. What they said is it's one of the defining characteristics of socialism. Socialism is not always based on coercion. Take for example the "socialistic" kibbutz movement in Israel. If people did not want to follow the community rules, they were free to leave. Like Fascism, there are multiple definitions - as the wikipedia article said: Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.

The Kibbutz were government property. Force was used to create them: socialism. Socialism can't exist without force. If falls apart.

You've created a circular argument there, you realize that don't you?

What force was used?

Wrong, that's not a circular argument.

It's government land. Everything government does is accomplished through the use of force. Furthermore, the people living in the Kibbutz don't own it. They simply live there. They are tenants. So how does that constitute "collective ownership?"

Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

Your statement: Force was used to create them: socialism. Socialism can't exist without force.

How did the government use force to create kibbutz?

What force did the socialist kibbutz use?

 

[Coyote]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

Every one of those "characteristics" fits progressive, communist, socialist and religious theocracies as well. That's the problem with the list, it is so non specific, and general, as to be useless other than showing that pretty much all collectivist government systems suck in some manner or other.

Another dishonest post, using the half-truth, a lie by omission. These characteristics do not define the liberal or progressive; and each of the other noted ideologies can but are not always examples of an Authoritarian Regime, which is what fascism (small f) is too. Do try to think and consider with whatever amount of sagacious ability you might have on each of the 14 points, and compare them with the words of P-e Trump.

"Authoritarian" does not equate to "fascist." Authoritarian regimes have been around since civilization began. Fascism is supposedly an economic system. Nothing in the 14 points is related to economics. It's pure bullshit.

Fascism is not an "economic system". Capitalism is. Socialism is to large degree as is communism.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, that's pretty much correct. There is no requirement for democracy to make a system socialist. That's a recent addition after the Soviet Union embarrassed all socialists with it's existence. And the rest of the definition is equally wrong. Not all forms of "collective ownership" are socialist. Corporations are based on collective ownership, but not even you would call them socialist. Socialism is always based on coercion. If people are free to flout the rules and commands of the socialist authorities, then socialism becomes a joke.

Anyone who claims there are multiple definitions of a term is simply admitting that he doesn't know what a definition is.

No one said that all forms of collective ownership are socialist. What they said is it's one of the defining characteristics of socialism. Socialism is not always based on coercion. Take for example the "socialistic" kibbutz movement in Israel. If people did not want to follow the community rules, they were free to leave. Like Fascism, there are multiple definitions - as the wikipedia article said: Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.

The Kibbutz were government property. Force was used to create them: socialism. Socialism can't exist without force. If falls apart.

You've created a circular argument there, you realize that don't you?

What force was used?

Wrong, that's not a circular argument.

It's government land. Everything government does is accomplished through the use of force. Furthermore, the people living in the Kibbutz don't own it. They simply live there. They are tenants. So how does that constitute "collective ownership?"

Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

Your statement: Force was used to create them: socialism. Socialism can't exist without force.

How did the government use force to create kibbutz?

What force did the socialist kibbutz use?

The land is government property. Are you going to claim that Israel didn't acquire the land through force? All governments are established through force and maintained through force. Anything government does is by means of force. The phrase "voluntary government" is an oxymoron. The very definition of the term "government" is "the organized monopoly on the use of force."

 

[bripat9643]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

Every one of those "characteristics" fits progressive, communist, socialist and religious theocracies as well. That's the problem with the list, it is so non specific, and general, as to be useless other than showing that pretty much all collectivist government systems suck in some manner or other.

Another dishonest post, using the half-truth, a lie by omission. These characteristics do not define the liberal or progressive; and each of the other noted ideologies can but are not always examples of an Authoritarian Regime, which is what fascism (small f) is too. Do try to think and consider with whatever amount of sagacious ability you might have on each of the 14 points, and compare them with the words of P-e Trump.

"Authoritarian" does not equate to "fascist." Authoritarian regimes have been around since civilization began. Fascism is supposedly an economic system. Nothing in the 14 points is related to economics. It's pure bullshit.

Fascism is not an "economic system". Capitalism is. Socialism is to large degree as is communism.

The term "fascism" is meaningless unless it refers to an economic system. All it's adherents claimed it was an economic system and went to great lengths to distinguish it from capitalism and socialism. Only modern day fascists who like to pretend they aren't adherents of the economic doctrines of fascism claim it's not an economic system.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

No one can know how Trump will govern.

Yet here you are using material you lifted from an antisemitic hate site and a reference to the political yammerings of those at a leftist site to try to cast Trump as a fascist, anyway.

You make no sense, child. Either you believe he is fascist, in which case you ARE saying how he will govern, or saying you don't know how he will govern, in which case you wouldn't conclude he is a fascist.

 

[kaz]

Please review the following two links on fascism and what we have observed since the election of Donald Trump to the office of POTUS.


Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Donald Trump and the 14 signs of Fascism • /r/politics

Consider the promises made by Mr. Trump during the time before he received the nomination of the Republican Party, his rhetoric before his election after being nominated, and his rhetoric since being elected to POTUS?

So you haven't been able to sit since November 8 because of the butt hurt, have you? You are full of shit. Fascism is socialism. It's central economic planning. The only difference between socialism and full socialism is that in fascism industry technically has owners, but they are powerless. All their plans and major decisions have to be approved by government.

Hitler was a socialist, and he knew it. Which is why he called himself a socialist and he was head of the socialist party.

Name any real difference between the fascists and the communists

 

[Wry Catcher]

No one can know how Trump will govern; Trump himself does not have a clue, nor do you.

So why is he being criticized by lefties?

Define lefties! The truth of the matter is the criticism of Trump is wide and not restricted to only one side of the aisle. Many of those today, like Ryan, once criticized Trump and now kiss his ass. If the Tea Baggers, aka the Freedom Party, vote to pass an unbalanced budget, we can see that they are less fiscally conservative and more partisan bigots.

 

[Wry Catcher]

No one can know how Trump will govern.

Yet here you are using material you lifted from an antisemitic hate site and a reference to the political yammerings of those at a leftist site to try to cast Trump as a fascist, anyway.

You make no sense, child. Either you believe he is fascist, in which case you ARE saying how he will govern, or saying you don't know how he will govern, in which case you wouldn't conclude he is a fascist.

Give it up dogshit, you're not very bright or so dishonest you choose to play the fool.

a. Trumps stump speech reeked of fascism, if one accepts the 14-points as defining; if not, his stump speech paints him as an authoritarian.
b. Spamming my post as anti-semitic is dishonest, childish and evidence you cannot post a plausible rebuttal
c. Trump has walked back many promises, there is the possibility he may grow into the job and listen to the adults in the Republican Party.

All of this has been posted before, so the question remains, are you stupid or a liar?

 

[westwall]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

Every one of those "characteristics" fits progressive, communist, socialist and religious theocracies as well. That's the problem with the list, it is so non specific, and general, as to be useless other than showing that pretty much all collectivist government systems suck in some manner or other.

Another dishonest post, using the half-truth, a lie by omission. These characteristics do not define the liberal or progressive; and each of the other noted ideologies can but are not always examples of an Authoritarian Regime, which is what fascism (small f) is too. Do try to think and consider with whatever amount of sagacious ability you might have on each of the 14 points, and compare them with the words of P-e Trump.

"Authoritarian" does not equate to "fascist." Authoritarian regimes have been around since civilization began. Fascism is supposedly an economic system. Nothing in the 14 points is related to economics. It's pure bullshit.

Fascism is not an "economic system". Capitalism is. Socialism is to large degree as is communism.

Actually fascism IS an economic system. As are socialism, and communism. They are three systems who's economic systems are wholly tied to the governmental system as well. They are completely integrated. The progressives here in trying to paint fascism as merely a governmental type by pointing out that the corporations were allowed to remain independent completely ignore the bureaucracy that the Nazi's and Italians implemented to CONTROL what those corporations could produce.

Nothing was produced in Nazi Germany, or fascist Italy without prior government consent. Consent that was predicated on the perceived needs of the government. And, everything about that production was controlled by the government. How much the workers had to be paid, which workers they could use, where the resources had to accessed, how much those resources were to cost, etc. etc. etc.

The only difference between communist russia, and fascist germany was the germans allowed private citizens to own property. In Soviet Russia that wasn't allowed.

 

[westwall]

No one can know how Trump will govern.

Yet here you are using material you lifted from an antisemitic hate site and a reference to the political yammerings of those at a leftist site to try to cast Trump as a fascist, anyway.

You make no sense, child. Either you believe he is fascist, in which case you ARE saying how he will govern, or saying you don't know how he will govern, in which case you wouldn't conclude he is a fascist.

Give it up dogshit, you're not very bright or so dishonest you choose to play the fool.

a. Trumps stump speech reeked of fascism, if one accepts the 14-points as defining; if not, his stump speech paints him as an authoritarian.
b. Spamming my post as anti-semitic is dishonest, childish and evidence you cannot post a plausible rebuttal
c. Trump has walked back many promises, there is the possibility he may grow into the job and listen to the adults in the Republican Party.

All of this has been posted before, so the question remains, are you stupid or a liar?

No, it doesn't. It merely was a nationalistic bent. That's all. You morons scream fascism at every turn but truly you either don't know what the hell it is, or you purposely play dumb, or you truly are dumb. Fascism, socialism, and "communism" are merely different forms of collectivist government. They are not opposites. They are the same. Just some forms of them are more tolerant of individual rights and property ownership. That's it.

The very policies that you have championed mark you as a socialist. There is nothing wrong with socialism so long as it isn't allowed to get too powerful. The same rules apply for capitalism.

Until you figure that out you are merely going to be one of those nattering away, ignorant of what you are actually supporting.

 

[bripat9643]

No one can know how Trump will govern; Trump himself does not have a clue, nor do you.

So why is he being criticized by lefties?

Define lefties! The truth of the matter is the criticism of Trump is wide and not restricted to only one side of the aisle. Many of those today, like Ryan, once criticized Trump and now kiss his ass. If the Tea Baggers, aka the Freedom Party, vote to pass an unbalanced budget, we can see that they are less fiscally conservative and more partisan bigots.

A few establishment dead enders does not indicate that Republicans as a group oppose Trump. 90% of them voted for Trump. Plenty of Democrats in PA, WI and MI also voted for Trump.

 

[Coyote]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

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Every one of those "characteristics" fits progressive, communist, socialist and religious theocracies as well. That's the problem with the list, it is so non specific, and general, as to be useless other than showing that pretty much all collectivist government systems suck in some manner or other.

Another dishonest post, using the half-truth, a lie by omission. These characteristics do not define the liberal or progressive; and each of the other noted ideologies can but are not always examples of an Authoritarian Regime, which is what fascism (small f) is too. Do try to think and consider with whatever amount of sagacious ability you might have on each of the 14 points, and compare them with the words of P-e Trump.

"Authoritarian" does not equate to "fascist." Authoritarian regimes have been around since civilization began. Fascism is supposedly an economic system. Nothing in the 14 points is related to economics. It's pure bullshit.

Fascism is not an "economic system". Capitalism is. Socialism is to large degree as is communism.

Actually fascism IS an economic system. As are socialism, and communism. They are three systems who's economic systems are wholly tied to the governmental system as well. They are completely integrated. The progressives here in trying to paint fascism as merely a governmental type by pointing out that the corporations were allowed to remain independent completely ignore the bureaucracy that the Nazi's and Italians implemented to CONTROL what those corporations could produce.

Nothing was produced in Nazi Germany, or fascist Italy without prior government consent. Consent that was predicated on the perceived needs of the government. And, everything about that production was controlled by the government. How much the workers had to be paid, which workers they could use, where the resources had to accessed, how much those resources were to cost, etc. etc. etc.

The only difference between communist russia, and fascist germany was the germans allowed private citizens to own property. In Soviet Russia that wasn't allowed.

I agree that part of fascism is economic, blending capitalism and socialism - but the ideology doesn't revolve around an economic system the way socialism/communism and capitalism do does it? Didn't those originate as economic systems first?

I know you decry progressives but frankly, the rightwingnuts are just as loosie goosie with definitions here. And with ignoring their own ideolgy's extremes such as fascism which maintained capitalism to a degree and private property rights where as leftism went towards collective ownership, ostensibly by the people, and no private property.

 

[Divine Wind]

National SOcialism. He was certainly that. Very much hated by the NObility.

DEMOCRATIC People's REPUBLIC of North Korea

German DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

People's REPUBLIC of China

So, according to you, North Korea, East Germany and China are Democratic and Republics. Interesting, but disagreed. Yeah, same goes for the fucking Nazis.

 

[Coyote]

That graph is a piece of propaganda intended to deceive. Below is how the political plain is properly divided:

That's really not very different than the model he posted.

And both yours and his are more accurate than the linear ones.

 

[Coyote]

National SOcialism. He was certainly that. Very much hated by the NObility.

DEMOCRATIC People's REPUBLIC of North Korea

German DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

People's REPUBLIC of China

So, according to you, North Korea, East Germany and China are Democratic and Republics. Interesting, but disagreed. Yeah, same goes for the fucking Nazis.

I always have to laugh when they drag out the "national socialism" - and think about NK.

The Nazi's STARTED as a socialist party, but Hitler was nothing if not pragmatic and socialism was rapidly abandoned.

 

[owebo]

That graph is a piece of propaganda intended to deceive. Below is how the political plain is properly divided:

That's really not very different than the model he posted.

And both yours and his are more accurate than the linear ones.

The only accurate one is linear....the other models are propaganda foisted upon us by fascists scared to death of who they are.....

 

[owebo]

National SOcialism. He was certainly that. Very much hated by the NObility.

DEMOCRATIC People's REPUBLIC of North Korea

German DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

People's REPUBLIC of China

So, according to you, North Korea, East Germany and China are Democratic and Republics. Interesting, but disagreed. Yeah, same goes for the fucking Nazis.

I always have to laugh when they drag out the "national socialism" - and think about NK.

The Nazi's STARTED as a socialist party, but Hitler was nothing if not pragmatic and socialism was rapidly abandoned.

Yes, hilter took socialism further left, creating fascism in the vacuum....