FDR- the Icon Hero of the Left

FDR's economic policies are the greatest success in American economic history. America is still reaping huge profits from his economic programs and policies. Greatest Presidential legacy in American Presidential history.

Specifically, where is America reaping "huge profits" from his economic programs and policies?

If that were true, why did his policies EXTEND THE GREAT DEPRESSION BY AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS?

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
By Meg SullivanAugust 10, 2004
Category: Research

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies."

Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt's policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data.

In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.

Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.

"High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns," Ohanian said. "As we've seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces."

The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly 80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.

Cole and Ohanian calculate that NIRA and its aftermath account for 60 percent of the weak recovery. Without the policies, they contend that the Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe the slump actually ended: 1943.

Roosevelt's role in lifting the nation out of the Great Depression has been so revered that Time magazine readers cited it in 1999 when naming him the 20th century's second-most influential figure.

"This is exciting and valuable research," said Robert E. Lucas Jr., the 1995 Nobel Laureate in economics, and the John Dewey Distinguished Service Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. "The prevention and cure of depressions is a central mission of macroeconomics, and if we can't understand what happened in the 1930s, how can we be sure it won't happen again?"

NIRA's role in prolonging the Depression has not been more closely scrutinized because the Supreme Court declared the act unconstitutional within two years of its passage.

"Historians have assumed that the policies didn't have an impact because they were too short-lived, but the proof is in the pudding," Ohanian said. "We show that they really did artificially inflate wages and prices."

Even after being deemed unconstitutional, Roosevelt's anti-competition policies persisted — albeit under a different guise, the scholars found. Ohanian and Cole painstakingly documented the extent to which the Roosevelt administration looked the other way as industries once protected by NIRA continued to engage in price-fixing practices for four more years.

The number of antitrust cases brought by the Department of Justice fell from an average of 12.5 cases per year during the 1920s to an average of 6.5 cases per year from 1935 to 1938, the scholars found. Collusion had become so widespread that one Department of Interior official complained of receiving identical bids from a protected industry (steel) on 257 different occasions between mid-1935 and mid-1936.

The bids were not only identical but also 50 percent higher than foreign steel prices. Without competition, wholesale prices remained inflated, averaging 14 percent higher than they would have been without the troublesome practices, the UCLA economists calculate.

NIRA's labor provisions, meanwhile, were strengthened in the National Relations Act, signed into law in 1935.

As union membership doubled, so did labor's bargaining power, rising from 14 million strike days in 1936 to about 28 million in 1937. By 1939 wages in protected industries remained 24 percent to 33 percent above where they should have been, based on 1929 figures, Cole and Ohanian calculate.

Unemployment persisted. By 1939 the U.S. unemployment rate was 17.2 percent, down somewhat from its 1933 peak of 24.9 percent but still remarkably high. By comparison, in May 2003, the unemployment rate of 6.1 percent was the highest in nine years.

Recovery came only after the Department of Justice dramatically stepped up enforcement of antitrust cases nearly four-fold and organized labor suffered a string of setbacks, the economists found.

"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."

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20% unemployment his entire first 2 terms is a "Success"?
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Yeah, sure and Jake is a Republican
When FDR came into office the Grear Depression had been going on for 4 years. Unemployment was 30%. His New Deal programs put Americans back to work, but because they were government jobs and American subsidized paychecks a system of declaring those workers as "unemployed" is used to make it appear that the unemployment rate was higher than it really was. In other words, the people who built the Lincoln Tunnel, Dams, roads, airports, Post Offices, schools, etc. were unemployed. Heck, even the folks who increased the size of Navy Ports and Yards in preparation for the war were unemployed.
Figures you’d lie to defend a racist.
Which part of the post do you claim is a lie?
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

And Obama repeated his failures.

What happened with the 3 years under Hoover?
Unemployment went up to 30 percent

FDRs policies were centered on easing the suffering of the Depression. Provide food, public employment, housing
Emphasis on helping people who need help

Whether the banks recovered quickly enough was not a priority

As FDR said.....People don't eat on the long term

How long did the Depression of 1921 last?
 
FDR, the icon hero of all Americans, from rational left to rational right.

FDR: Fascist Wannabe, oh wait, he did throw Americans into camps. Strike the wannabe
What do you expect? FDR endorsed Mussolini.
So did the rest of the world.
Churchill hated him.
Oh yeah, you hate Churchill for that.
GB recognized Mussolini, too, sweet cheeks.
Trump looks like Mussolini
 
When FDR came into office the Grear Depression had been going on for 4 years. Unemployment was 30%. His New Deal programs put Americans back to work, but because they were government jobs and American subsidized paychecks a system of declaring those workers as "unemployed" is used to make it appear that the unemployment rate was higher than it really was. In other words, the people who built the Lincoln Tunnel, Dams, roads, airports, Post Offices, schools, etc. were unemployed. Heck, even the folks who increased the size of Navy Ports and Yards in preparation for the war were unemployed.
Figures you’d lie to defend a racist.
Which part of the post do you claim is a lie?
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

And Obama repeated his failures.

What happened with the 3 years under Hoover?
Unemployment went up to 30 percent

FDRs policies were centered on easing the suffering of the Depression. Provide food, public employment, housing
Emphasis on helping people who need help

Whether the banks recovered quickly enough was not a priority

As FDR said.....People don't eat on the long term

How long did the Depression of 1921 last?

An insignificant economic downturn compared to the Great Republican Depression of 1929
 
Hoover had the economy for another 41 months, idiot. The policies of the GOP from 1921 to 1929 made it happen. You simply blather, instead of, rather, study real history.

Are you even aware that there was an even sharper depression in 1920/21?

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
The year is 1921…

America is less than three years removed from triumph on the Western Front. It’s the dawn of the Roaring Twenties… and the Jazz Age.

Warren Gamaliel Harding is America’s czar.

And the nation is sunk in depression…

U.S. industrial production plunged 31% between 1920 and 1921. Stock prices plummeted 46%… and corporate profits a crushing 92%.

Unemployment ran as high as 19%. Storefronts everywhere gaped empty.

It was the grand migraine of the day.

Then suddenly it was over. The pain was acute… but the pain was brief.

By 1922 prosperity was finding its legs again.

Welcome to the Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921…

How America avoided depression in the early ’20s is a story seldom told.

But had it been otherwise, the Forgotten Depression may have become known to history as the Great Depression.

Why wasn’t it?

[...]

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
 
FDR made us into a modern democracy
well that's a lie.

how many people voted to send Americans to death camps?

Death camps?

Who are you? Sarah Palin?
You think everyone who walked into those desert concentration camps walked out? 125 degrees and elderly and infant Americans don’t mix.

1940s America was no picnic for Minorities
Negroes were lynched for smiling at a white woman
 
FDR made us into a modern democracy
well that's a lie.

how many people voted to send Americans to death camps?

Death camps?

Who are you? Sarah Palin?
You think everyone who walked into those desert concentration camps walked out? 125 degrees and elderly and infant Americans don’t mix.

1940s America was no picnic for Minorities
Negroes were lynched for smiling at a white woman
With leaders like FDR setting the example on how to treat nonwhites.
 
Hoover had the economy for another 41 months, idiot. The policies of the GOP from 1921 to 1929 made it happen. You simply blather, instead of, rather, study real history.

Are you even aware that there was an even sharper depression in 1920/21?

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
The year is 1921…

America is less than three years removed from triumph on the Western Front. It’s the dawn of the Roaring Twenties… and the Jazz Age.

Warren Gamaliel Harding is America’s czar.

And the nation is sunk in depression…

U.S. industrial production plunged 31% between 1920 and 1921. Stock prices plummeted 46%… and corporate profits a crushing 92%.

Unemployment ran as high as 19%. Storefronts everywhere gaped empty.

It was the grand migraine of the day.

Then suddenly it was over. The pain was acute… but the pain was brief.

By 1922 prosperity was finding its legs again.

Welcome to the Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921…

How America avoided depression in the early ’20s is a story seldom told.

But had it been otherwise, the Forgotten Depression may have become known to history as the Great Depression.

Why wasn’t it?

[...]

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
Fear not
Let the economy fix itself
Prosperity is just around the corner

Hoover used the exact same formula as 1921 and the economy crashed even worse

Thank God FDR was there to save us from Republican economic policies
 
An insignificant economic downturn compared to the Great Republican Depression of 1929

Not true.

And the nation is sunk in depression…

U.S. industrial production plunged 31% between 1920 and 1921. Stock prices plummeted 46%… and corporate profits a crushing 92%.

Unemployment ran as high as 19%. Storefronts everywhere gaped empty.


It was the grand migraine of the day.

Then suddenly it was over. The pain was acute… but the pain was brief.

By 1922 prosperity was finding its legs again.

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
 
With leaders like FDR setting the example on how to treat nonwhites.

Indeed that is true. But while the Japanese were treated so shamefully, you never hear them complain that they can't succeed because their grandparents were put in concentration camps as slaves.

The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000[5] people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast. 62 percent of the internees were United States citizens.[6][7] These actions were ordered by President Franklin D. Roosevelt shortly after Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.[8]

Japanese Americans were incarcerated based on local population concentrations and regional politics. More than 110,000 Japanese Americans in the mainland U.S., who mostly lived on the West Coast, were forced into interior camps. However, in Hawaii, where 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were also interned.[9] The internment is considered to have resulted more from racism than from any security risk posed by Japanese Americans.[10][11] Those who were as little as 1/16 Japanese[12] and orphaned infants with "one drop of Japanese blood" were placed in internment camps.[13]
 
An insignificant economic downturn compared to the Great Republican Depression of 1929

Not true.

And the nation is sunk in depression…

U.S. industrial production plunged 31% between 1920 and 1921. Stock prices plummeted 46%… and corporate profits a crushing 92%.

Unemployment ran as high as 19%. Storefronts everywhere gaped empty.


It was the grand migraine of the day.

Then suddenly it was over. The pain was acute… but the pain was brief.

By 1922 prosperity was finding its legs again.

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
Then why didn’t it end for Hoover in over three years taking the same approach?
 
FDR made us into a modern democracy
well that's a lie.

how many people voted to send Americans to death camps?

Death camps?

Who are you? Sarah Palin?
You think everyone who walked into those desert concentration camps walked out? 125 degrees and elderly and infant Americans don’t mix.

1940s America was no picnic for Minorities
Negroes were lynched for smiling at a white woman


"Gee mom, everyone else was doin' it!"
 
FDR made us into a modern democracy
well that's a lie.

how many people voted to send Americans to death camps?

Death camps?

Who are you? Sarah Palin?
You think everyone who walked into those desert concentration camps walked out? 125 degrees and elderly and infant Americans don’t mix.

1940s America was no picnic for Minorities
Negroes were lynched for smiling at a white woman


"Gee mom, everyone else was doin' it!"
Interring the Japanese was effective

There were no Japanese terror attacks after 1942
 
FDR made us into a modern democracy
well that's a lie.

how many people voted to send Americans to death camps?

Death camps?

Who are you? Sarah Palin?
You think everyone who walked into those desert concentration camps walked out? 125 degrees and elderly and infant Americans don’t mix.

1940s America was no picnic for Minorities
Negroes were lynched for smiling at a white woman
Lynched by Democrats
 
Hoover had the Wall Street gamers. diving and jumping out the windows and banks going broke.
Hoover had the Wall St gamers? WTF? You just validated you’re full of shit
I told you to quit while you were behind.

Hoover was inaugurated March of 1929. Stock Market crashed about 7 months later in October. Guess when stock market guys started jumping out of windows and committing suicide.
So Hoover was responsible for crashing the economy in 7 months yet 13 months later it’s the Obama economy still. Do tell the class what policies and laws Hoover did that made this occur.
Hoover had the economy for another 41 months, idiot. The policies of the GOP from 1921 to 1929 made it happen. You simply blather, instead of, rather, study real history.
1896 - 1932 is known as The Progressive Era in Congress. Need I say more?

How come I keep asking which policies and you fascist lovers keep avoiding answering?
You keep making presumptive judgments without understanding history, economics, or politics. You are ignorant about the last century, champ.
 
Hoover had the economy for another 41 months, idiot. The policies of the GOP from 1921 to 1929 made it happen. You simply blather, instead of, rather, study real history.

Are you even aware that there was an even sharper depression in 1920/21?

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
The year is 1921…

America is less than three years removed from triumph on the Western Front. It’s the dawn of the Roaring Twenties… and the Jazz Age.

Warren Gamaliel Harding is America’s czar.

And the nation is sunk in depression…

U.S. industrial production plunged 31% between 1920 and 1921. Stock prices plummeted 46%… and corporate profits a crushing 92%.

Unemployment ran as high as 19%. Storefronts everywhere gaped empty.

It was the grand migraine of the day.

Then suddenly it was over. The pain was acute… but the pain was brief.

By 1922 prosperity was finding its legs again.

Welcome to the Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921…

How America avoided depression in the early ’20s is a story seldom told.

But had it been otherwise, the Forgotten Depression may have become known to history as the Great Depression.

Why wasn’t it?

[...]

The Forgotten Depression of 1920–1921
Sounds like you forget your keys, Markle. You have no idea why that happened and no idea why it recovered so quickly.
 

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