Feds Raid California ‘Maternity Hotels’ for Birth Tourists

Illegal immigrants are most definitely subject to US law. And consequently their children are US citizens at birth.

My gawd. Another moron who doesn't understand the difference between legal jurisdiction and political jurisdiction. !! Where do you idiots come from?
Huh? What other country has political jurisdiction on US soil? The US government is sovereign both legally and politically on US soil.

Shooter is making up a non-existent distinction. The US constitution doesn't say a thing about 'political jurisdiction'. Merely jurisdiction. If you're subject to our laws, you're under the jurisdiction of the US. If you're not (ala diplomats or invading armies), then you're not.

Illegals most certainly are.
 
You know, Trump's wall wouldn't stop this. Why? Because these women are coming here on jets.

Build a taller wall?

Greg
Make Congress be more specific so the bullshit stops.

The Constitution trumps the laws of congress.
Nah', subversion doesn't fly no matter who you are. I suppose we could just go back to the days of McCarthy and start arresting subversives for their treasonous acts an actions if that is what it takes to cleanup the trash that has been allowed into the country.
 
You know, Trump's wall wouldn't stop this. Why? Because these women are coming here on jets.

Build a taller wall?

Greg
Make Congress be more specific so the bullshit stops.

The Constitution trumps the laws of congress.
nah', subversion doesn't fly no matter who you are. i suppose we could just go back to the days of McCarthy and start arresting subversives for their treasonous acts an actions if that is what it takes to cleanup the trash that has been allowed into the country.

The 14th amendment trumps the laws of congress on who is a US citizen. If you want to change birthright citizenship, you'll need an amendment.

'McCarthy', 'treasonous acts' and 'subversives' doesn't have a thing to do with it. You'll simply need a constitutional change.
 
"You'll simply need a constitutional change" which is up to congress to get started and approved through the states. Until then there are shitloads of laws to take care of the crap.
 
"You'll simply need a constitutional change" which is up to congress to get started and approved through the states.

The States don't need congress to get an amendment started. They can do it themselves. Nor does Congress pass an amendment. The States do.
 
"You'll simply need a constitutional change" which is up to congress to get started and approved through the states.

The States don't need congress to get an amendment started. They can do it themselves.
A lot of people have been trying to get a convention together to address not only that issue but other issues that have been used to abuse the laws that cheaters have been using to cover their own scummy asses.
 
This is because we have the insane policy of "birthright citizenship". Congress never wrote a law creating this idiotic policy - FEDERAL JUDGES DID, even though the constitution says only congress can write laws!!

Feds Raid California 'Maternity Hotels' for Birth Tourists

jan 9 2017Southern California apartment complexes that doubled as "maternity hotels" for Chinese women who want made-in-America babies were raided early Tuesday, capping an unprecedented federal sting operation, officials said.

NBC News was on the scene as Homeland Security agents swept into The Carlyle, a luxury property in Irvine, California, which housed pregnant women and new moms who allegedly forked over $40,000 to $80,000 to give birth in the United States.

None of the women were arrested; they are being treated as material witnesses, and paramedics were on hand in case any of them went into labor during the sweep.

Instead, the investigation was aimed at ringleaders who pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars tax-free to help Chinese nationals obtain visas and then pamper them until they delivered in an American hospital at a discount, court papers show.

"It's not necessarily illegal to come here to have the baby, but if you lie about your reasons for coming here, that's visa fraud," said Claude Arnold, special agent in charge of Homeland Security Investigations for Los Angeles.


I believe those birther hotels are protected under California sanctuary laws as DVFs (Democratic Voter Factories). But look at the bright side! At least none of those women were speeders. They all drove the speed limit on their way to give birth to fat, new American babies. :p
 
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"You'll simply need a constitutional change" which is up to congress to get started and approved through the states.

The States don't need congress to get an amendment started. They can do it themselves.
A lot of people have been trying to get a convention together to address not only that issue but other issues that have been used to abuse the laws that cheaters have been using to cover their own scummy asses.
If they don't have enough to get the amendment heard, they certainly don't have enough to get it ratified. As the threshold for the former is 2/3rds. For the latter, 3/4ths.
 
"You'll simply need a constitutional change" which is up to congress to get started and approved through the states.

The States don't need congress to get an amendment started. They can do it themselves.
A lot of people have been trying to get a convention together to address not only that issue but other issues that have been used to abuse the laws that cheaters have been using to cover their own scummy asses.
If they don't have enough to get the amendment heard, they certainly don't have enough to get it ratified. As the threshold for the former is 2/3rds. For the latter, 3/4ths.
They have been doing whatever they want for years. The states didn't ratify a lot of the shit that the elitist system has been pulling as the people slept through it all unaware that their rights and country was being stolen right out from underneath them. I don't have a problem denying citizenship to invaders coming in under the color of being visitors or mere illegal aliens claiming they are here for an education or a job.
 
"You'll simply need a constitutional change" which is up to congress to get started and approved through the states.

The States don't need congress to get an amendment started. They can do it themselves.
A lot of people have been trying to get a convention together to address not only that issue but other issues that have been used to abuse the laws that cheaters have been using to cover their own scummy asses.
If they don't have enough to get the amendment heard, they certainly don't have enough to get it ratified. As the threshold for the former is 2/3rds. For the latter, 3/4ths.
They have been doing whatever they want for years. The states didn't ratify a lot of the shit that the elitist system has been pulling as the people slept through it all unaware that their rights and country was being stolen right out from underneath them. I don't have a problem denying citizenship to invaders coming in under the color of being visitors or mere illegal aliens claiming they are here for an education or a job.

I think a lot of people would agree with you. The issue is how you deny citizenship. A law isn't sufficient. You'll need an amendment. And I don't think you have the numbers.
 
the Constitution is a guide book
they couldn't have foreseen 200 years into the future
 
"You'll simply need a constitutional change" which is up to congress to get started and approved through the states.

The States don't need congress to get an amendment started. They can do it themselves.
A lot of people have been trying to get a convention together to address not only that issue but other issues that have been used to abuse the laws that cheaters have been using to cover their own scummy asses.
If they don't have enough to get the amendment heard, they certainly don't have enough to get it ratified. As the threshold for the former is 2/3rds. For the latter, 3/4ths.
They have been doing whatever they want for years. The states didn't ratify a lot of the shit that the elitist system has been pulling as the people slept through it all unaware that their rights and country was being stolen right out from underneath them. I don't have a problem denying citizenship to invaders coming in under the color of being visitors or mere illegal aliens claiming they are here for an education or a job.

I think a lot of people would agree with you. The issue is how you deny citizenship. A law isn't sufficient. You'll need an amendment. And I don't think you have the numbers.
I suppose when enough people get concerned about it the numbers will be there. There are so many that think they can hang onto making other people pay for what they want instead of becoming responsible for themselves and what they willingly ignore.
 
As far as I know, under the United States Constitution, these people were not doing anything wrong. So why the raid? Just another waste of our taxpayer dollars.
 
They’ll let just anybody into this country... That’s how they get votes
 
As far as I know, under the United States Constitution, these people were not doing anything wrong. So why the raid? Just another waste of our taxpayer dollars.

The women having the kids? If they lied on their visas as to the purpose of their trip, that's visa fraud. The raid, however, was targeted at those who ran the business catering to the women. Not the women themselves.
 
This is because we have the insane policy of "birthright citizenship". Congress never wrote a law creating this idiotic policy - FEDERAL JUDGES DID, even though the constitution says only congress can write laws!!

Feds Raid California 'Maternity Hotels' for Birth Tourists

jan 9 2017Southern California apartment complexes that doubled as "maternity hotels" for Chinese women who want made-in-America babies were raided early Tuesday, capping an unprecedented federal sting operation, officials said.

NBC News was on the scene as Homeland Security agents swept into The Carlyle, a luxury property in Irvine, California, which housed pregnant women and new moms who allegedly forked over $40,000 to $80,000 to give birth in the United States.

None of the women were arrested; they are being treated as material witnesses, and paramedics were on hand in case any of them went into labor during the sweep.

Instead, the investigation was aimed at ringleaders who pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars tax-free to help Chinese nationals obtain visas and then pamper them until they delivered in an American hospital at a discount, court papers show.

"It's not necessarily illegal to come here to have the baby, but if you lie about your reasons for coming here, that's visa fraud," said Claude Arnold, special agent in charge of Homeland Security Investigations for Los Angeles.

I don't think you've read the 14th amendment. Here's the first sentence of it:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

That's why people born here are citizens....because the constitution says they are.


There is one exception: Children born to foreign diplomats posted in the US are not considered US citizens.

That's not true, the children born here to diplomats are granted dual citizenship.
 
They’ll let just anybody into this country... That’s how they get votes

But we allow people like the Duggars to replicate like cockroaches. Go figure. This is how they get votes.
"we allow american citizens to"
Holy shit
Well. We do nothing to restrict these people, who then expect us to support them in their habits and all their screwing just because they were born here, and then we are forced to pay for their bedroom habits. If Joe Bob Duggar wants to screw so much, why should any of us pay for his slobbery?
 
The country that takes the most advantage of birth tourism is China. Now why would China want an army made up of those born in America, with all the rights and privileges of American citizenship but military loyalty to China.

An invasion of "Americans" that the left will say is just as American as anyone born and raised here.
 

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