Florida Gov. Signs Bill...Booberry Al Sharpton Don’t Be Liken It’s

[Care4all]

If you want to fix fines and court costs, fix it. Dont overlook it and create MORE problems with more legislation.
The emotional NEVER think.

That's EXACTLY what the Florida politicians JUST DID, TN....

 

[TNHarley]

If you want to fix fines and court costs, fix it. Dont overlook it and create MORE problems with more legislation.
The emotional NEVER think.

That's EXACTLY what the Florida politicians JUST DID, TN....

Sigh
No, they didn't. They avoided problems.
If you want to make it easier for felons to pay their fines, then fix the fine and court costs.
Fines are PART of a conviction.
If the felon doesnt pay fines, they go back to prison. Then what? Set up voting booths in prisons?
Its fucking stupid to do it any other way.
They need to complete their conviction and be done with it. Period.

 

[Care4all]

If you want to fix fines and court costs, fix it. Dont overlook it and create MORE problems with more legislation.
The emotional NEVER think.

That's EXACTLY what the Florida politicians JUST DID, TN....

Sigh
No, they didn't. They avoided problems.
If you want to make it easier for felons to pay their fines, then fix the fine and court costs.
Fines are PART of a conviction.
If the felon doesnt pay fines, they go back to prison. Then what? Set up voting booths in prisons?
Its fucking stupid to do it any other way.
They need to complete their conviction and be done with it. Period.

A "Sentence, has to do with TIME'', the monetary fees are NOT part of their mandatory sentence....

Sentencing has guidelines, maximum sentence, minimum sentence guidelines, which all have to do with TIME served by the criminal.... not fees.... there are whole guideline manuals on it.... show me anywhere in those federal or state guidelines, where it mentions fees and the such...?

 

[TNHarley]

If you want to fix fines and court costs, fix it. Dont overlook it and create MORE problems with more legislation.
The emotional NEVER think.

That's EXACTLY what the Florida politicians JUST DID, TN....

Sigh
No, they didn't. They avoided problems.
If you want to make it easier for felons to pay their fines, then fix the fine and court costs.
Fines are PART of a conviction.
If the felon doesnt pay fines, they go back to prison. Then what? Set up voting booths in prisons?
Its fucking stupid to do it any other way.
They need to complete their conviction and be done with it. Period.

A "Sentence, has to do with TIME'', the monetary fees are NOT part of their mandatory sentence....

Sentencing has guidelines, maximum sentence, minimum sentence guidelines, which all have to do with TIME served by the criminal.... not fees.... there are whole guideline manuals on it.... show me anywhere in those federal or state guidelines, where it mentions fees and the such...?

So fines and court costs are not part of the conviction? Lol yes maybe in Somalia.

 

[MarcATL]

If you want to give felons the right to vote, fine. But they need to serve their time and be done with it. This bill makes sense.
My question is, are they giving felons all of their rights back? Or is this just political bullshit?

What other rights are you referring to?

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[FA_Q2]

If you want to fix fines and court costs, fix it. Dont overlook it and create MORE problems with more legislation.
The emotional NEVER think.

That's EXACTLY what the Florida politicians JUST DID, TN....

Sigh
No, they didn't. They avoided problems.
If you want to make it easier for felons to pay their fines, then fix the fine and court costs.
Fines are PART of a conviction.
If the felon doesnt pay fines, they go back to prison. Then what? Set up voting booths in prisons?
Its fucking stupid to do it any other way.
They need to complete their conviction and be done with it. Period.

A "Sentence, has to do with TIME'', the monetary fees are NOT part of their mandatory sentence....

Sentencing has guidelines, maximum sentence, minimum sentence guidelines, which all have to do with TIME served by the criminal.... not fees.... there are whole guideline manuals on it.... show me anywhere in those federal or state guidelines, where it mentions fees and the such...?

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I thought you claimed to be a lawyer? I must be confusing you with another poster. Fines are indeed part of the sentencing. Here are the examples of grand larceny:

• Third-degree grand theft: Up to five years in prison and/or a $5,000 fine
• Second-degree grand theft: Up to 15 years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine
• Third-degree grand theft: Up to 30 years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine

Larceny in Florida | The Umansky Law Firm

That is indeed part of the sentencing.

 

[Care4all]

If you want to fix fines and court costs, fix it. Dont overlook it and create MORE problems with more legislation.
The emotional NEVER think.

That's EXACTLY what the Florida politicians JUST DID, TN....

Sigh
No, they didn't. They avoided problems.
If you want to make it easier for felons to pay their fines, then fix the fine and court costs.
Fines are PART of a conviction.
If the felon doesnt pay fines, they go back to prison. Then what? Set up voting booths in prisons?
Its fucking stupid to do it any other way.
They need to complete their conviction and be done with it. Period.

That's not true...

Probation ends, when their sentence ends, any restitution or fees still owed, does NOT extend their probation beyond the original Sentence time.... it becomes a Civil Suit, to get the rest of the money owed, if owed.... fees owed, are likely the same, ones probation can not extend beyond the Sentence they were given, in a court of law or under special circumstances, the maximim for the crime..


When a defendant is convicted of a crime, the judge may decide to grant probation in lieu of a jail sentence. However, the defendant is required to abide by the terms of the probation, which may include compensating the victim in restitution for any loss or damages that directly resulted from the crime.

An issue arises when the defendant is unable to fully pay the obligated restitution amount within the given probationary period. If, for whatever reason, you have failed to meet your restitution obligation by the end of your probationary period, the judge has the option to extend probation for up to whatever the maximum jail sentence was for the underlying crime (California Penal Code Section 1203.1).

If the underlying offense carries a maximum sentence of five years or less, the probationary period can only be extended up to five years – it can never exceed the maximum sentence for the crime (Penal Code Section 1203.1(a)). So if a particular crime has a maximum possible sentence of five years, and a three-year probationary period is granted, the judge can only extend probation for another two years.

For crimes in which the maximum sentence exceeds five years, the judge can extend the probationary period beyond the five years, but only up to the maximum sentence.

A termination of probation does not also terminate a restitution order. Therefore, any remaining restitution debt at the end of probation can be pursued as a judgment in a civil action. This means you can be sued in civil court for the remaining amount that you owe.

Also keep in mind that a failure to pay restitution does not result in a probation violation unless the failure to pay was willful (California Penal Code Section 1203(j)).

Can't Make Full Restitution Payment before End of Probation

 

[TNHarley]

If you want to fix fines and court costs, fix it. Dont overlook it and create MORE problems with more legislation.
The emotional NEVER think.

That's EXACTLY what the Florida politicians JUST DID, TN....

Sigh
No, they didn't. They avoided problems.
If you want to make it easier for felons to pay their fines, then fix the fine and court costs.
Fines are PART of a conviction.
If the felon doesnt pay fines, they go back to prison. Then what? Set up voting booths in prisons?
Its fucking stupid to do it any other way.
They need to complete their conviction and be done with it. Period.

That's not true...

Probation ends, when their sentence ends, any restitution or fees still owed, does NOT extend their probation beyond the original Sentence time.... it becomes a Civil Suit, to get the rest of the money owed, if owed.... fees owed, are likely the same, ones probation can not extend beyond the Sentence they were given, in a court of law or under special circumstances, the maximim for the crime..


When a defendant is convicted of a crime, the judge may decide to grant probation in lieu of a jail sentence. However, the defendant is required to abide by the terms of the probation, which may include compensating the victim in restitution for any loss or damages that directly resulted from the crime.

An issue arises when the defendant is unable to fully pay the obligated restitution amount within the given probationary period. If, for whatever reason, you have failed to meet your restitution obligation by the end of your probationary period, the judge has the option to extend probation for up to whatever the maximum jail sentence was for the underlying crime (California Penal Code Section 1203.1).

If the underlying offense carries a maximum sentence of five years or less, the probationary period can only be extended up to five years – it can never exceed the maximum sentence for the crime (Penal Code Section 1203.1(a)). So if a particular crime has a maximum possible sentence of five years, and a three-year probationary period is granted, the judge can only extend probation for another two years.

For crimes in which the maximum sentence exceeds five years, the judge can extend the probationary period beyond the five years, but only up to the maximum sentence.

A termination of probation does not also terminate a restitution order. Therefore, any remaining restitution debt at the end of probation can be pursued as a judgment in a civil action. This means you can be sued in civil court for the remaining amount that you owe.

Also keep in mind that a failure to pay restitution does not result in a probation violation unless the failure to pay was willful (California Penal Code Section 1203(j)).

Can't Make Full Restitution Payment before End of Probation

Parole or probation end when fines are paid.

 

[TNHarley]

If you want to give felons the right to vote, fine. But they need to serve their time and be done with it. This bill makes sense.
My question is, are they giving felons all of their rights back? Or is this just political bullshit?

What other rights are you referring to?

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All of them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Florida Governor Ron Desantis (R) signed a bill requiring felons to pay off all $ and other debt to society before they can vote. Naturally the pro-crime left opposes it. Plays race card...again.
Florida Governor Signs Bill Restricting Ex-Felons from Voting
These people deserve no special treatment. Gotta pay for your crime. Good bill.
Florida governor signs law allowing felons to vote but there's a price - Reuters
Guess the Governor has been “eating da pie.”

That's my Governor. One smart guy.

Al Sharpton can blow it out his stupid ass.

How smart is it to ignore 65% of the electorate views... People get kind of pissed off when Politicians don't do what they are told...

In Florida? Who conducted these polls? Oh yes, liberal groups that want common fucking vermin to vote.

What fucking polls...

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2018 Florida Amendment 4 - Wikipedia

Almost 8 million people voted...

The only question is how fucking stupid your post looks right now...

Once again, poor reading comprehension strikes a liberal where it hurts!

From the actual text of the amendment you linked:

"after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation."

That seems pretty clear to those of us who can read and comprehend what the amendment said.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The voters of Florida have spoken and THEY have said that former felons have the right to vote.

THIS is a poll tax meant to disenfranchise voters.

It's what Republicans do.

It's the only way they can win

A poll tax would be the case if it implemented AFTER they receive their sentence and do their time.

That is not the case.

Epic fail!

 

[OKTexas]

Indeed, the scale of the issue is unknown even to some clerks of court. When the Sun Sentinel asked the office of Broward County Clerk of Courts Brenda Forman how much money felons owed in fines in Broward County, the clerk’s office replied that it would take hours of clerical and computer work to find the number. The newspaper was charged $150 for the time and effort. The Palm Beach clerk’s office was able to provide the data quickly and at no cost.

Fines imposed for felonies can be substantial. Under Florida law, felonies are broken down into four categories: Third, second and first degree and life felonies, in order of seriousness. Third-degree felonies can carry a $5,000 fine, second- and first-degree a $10,000 fine and life felonies a $15,000 fine. And none of these numbers include fees and other court costs, or restitution to victims that courts may impose on felons.

And some individual crimes can carry much higher fines. For example, marijuana trafficking in Florida involves 25 pounds or more of the plant. Those convicted of trafficking who are caught with 25 to 2,000 pounds or more than 300 plants face a $25,000 fine. If it’s 2,000 to 10,000 pounds or more than 2,000 plants, the sentence comes with a $50,000
South Florida felons owe a billion dollars in fines — and that will affect their ability to vote

they can also suspend drivers license. Man oh man. They sure want to keep people in a bind.

Perhaps they can make all the wealthy people who owe taxes pay up before they vote.

Voting rights are rights, and no amount of money should take that away.

It's not about money, it's about not having completed their sentence. They had their due process, deal with it.

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no it isn't and YOU know it...

Were the fines and fees part of the sentence? A simple yes or no will do.

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[Penelope]

For instance, if they dont pay fines, they go back to jail or they stay on parole. Until they do. But their parole officer will eventually lock them back up. Do they take away their right to vote again?
This was the logical thing to do. I know emotion gets in the way of that....

so should not these people have to pay fines or go without voting?
Felony: $534 million

Misdemeanor: $65.6 million

Traffic: $136 million

This is from one county.

 

[Care4all]

Indeed, the scale of the issue is unknown even to some clerks of court. When the Sun Sentinel asked the office of Broward County Clerk of Courts Brenda Forman how much money felons owed in fines in Broward County, the clerk’s office replied that it would take hours of clerical and computer work to find the number. The newspaper was charged $150 for the time and effort. The Palm Beach clerk’s office was able to provide the data quickly and at no cost.

Fines imposed for felonies can be substantial. Under Florida law, felonies are broken down into four categories: Third, second and first degree and life felonies, in order of seriousness. Third-degree felonies can carry a $5,000 fine, second- and first-degree a $10,000 fine and life felonies a $15,000 fine. And none of these numbers include fees and other court costs, or restitution to victims that courts may impose on felons.

And some individual crimes can carry much higher fines. For example, marijuana trafficking in Florida involves 25 pounds or more of the plant. Those convicted of trafficking who are caught with 25 to 2,000 pounds or more than 300 plants face a $25,000 fine. If it’s 2,000 to 10,000 pounds or more than 2,000 plants, the sentence comes with a $50,000
South Florida felons owe a billion dollars in fines — and that will affect their ability to vote

they can also suspend drivers license. Man oh man. They sure want to keep people in a bind.

Perhaps they can make all the wealthy people who owe taxes pay up before they vote.

Voting rights are rights, and no amount of money should take that away.

It's not about money, it's about not having completed their sentence. They had their due process, deal with it.

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no it isn't and YOU know it...

Were the fines and fees part of the sentence? A simple yes or no will do.

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The Sentence ends, including Parole or Probation, when the time sentenced for the crime is up. No Sentence can go beyond the time that the felon was sentenced.... period. A Sentencing is the time that has to be served for the Crime and even if the financial punishments or fees were a part of a conviction or sentence as you all are claiming, it can NOT go beyond the time period of the Sentence of jail time/probation/parole limits... itself.

I think the voters of Florida did not know that this left hook that the legislature has thrown in there at the last minute, is NOT what the people of Florida voted for.... or it would have been a part of the referendum of the group that created the referendum.

We'll see what the end result will be, after the Court cases....

 

[lantern2814]

If the fine is part of your sentencing, then it must be paid before your slate is cleaned. Serving your time fulfills that part of your sentence. Paying the fine fulfills the rest of it and pays your "debt to society". What's so difficult about this?

 

[OKTexas]

Indeed, the scale of the issue is unknown even to some clerks of court. When the Sun Sentinel asked the office of Broward County Clerk of Courts Brenda Forman how much money felons owed in fines in Broward County, the clerk’s office replied that it would take hours of clerical and computer work to find the number. The newspaper was charged $150 for the time and effort. The Palm Beach clerk’s office was able to provide the data quickly and at no cost.

Fines imposed for felonies can be substantial. Under Florida law, felonies are broken down into four categories: Third, second and first degree and life felonies, in order of seriousness. Third-degree felonies can carry a $5,000 fine, second- and first-degree a $10,000 fine and life felonies a $15,000 fine. And none of these numbers include fees and other court costs, or restitution to victims that courts may impose on felons.

And some individual crimes can carry much higher fines. For example, marijuana trafficking in Florida involves 25 pounds or more of the plant. Those convicted of trafficking who are caught with 25 to 2,000 pounds or more than 300 plants face a $25,000 fine. If it’s 2,000 to 10,000 pounds or more than 2,000 plants, the sentence comes with a $50,000
South Florida felons owe a billion dollars in fines — and that will affect their ability to vote

they can also suspend drivers license. Man oh man. They sure want to keep people in a bind.

Perhaps they can make all the wealthy people who owe taxes pay up before they vote.

Voting rights are rights, and no amount of money should take that away.

It's not about money, it's about not having completed their sentence. They had their due process, deal with it.

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no it isn't and YOU know it...

Were the fines and fees part of the sentence? A simple yes or no will do.

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The Sentence ends, including Parole or Probation, when the time sentenced for the crime is up. No Sentence can go beyond the time that the felon was sentenced.... period. A Sentencing is the time that has to be served for the Crime and even if the financial punishments or fees were a part of a conviction or sentence as you all are claiming, it can NOT go beyond the time period of the Sentence of jail time/probation/parole limits... itself.

I think the voters of Florida did not know that this left hook that the legislature has thrown in there at the last minute, is NOT what the people of Florida voted for.... or it would have been a part of the referendum of the group that created the referendum.

We'll see what the end result will be, after the Court cases....

Many crimes in the US carry a jail term, fines or both. You have not completed the court order until all terms are satisfied. So simple a third grader can understand. But not you commies I guess.

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