Former Inmate Proves Epstein Didn't Hang Himself

[WillPower]

Why would I want to bother refuting some silly accusation? The OP is silly crap. You can't make it more than that.

That was quick....do you keep a white flag of surrender in your backpack?

 

[Lesh]

I found a death row inmate who choked himself out with a sheet, and his face was purple. He was nearly done. If I remember right his just used his bed for support, wasn't much to it.

But I wouldn't be shocked if Epstein was taken out. Somehow MANY Clinton associates end up dead serving the Clinton's best interests at opportune times. I wouldn't want to know them.

It ain't Clinton I'd be looking at.

He was taken off suicide watch only six days after an attempted suicide. Clinton didn't do that

His cell mate was pulled several days before the final suicide attempt. Clinton didn't do that

Billy Barr is head of the Justice Department ya know

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

That is what I've been saying, this is beyond ridiculous. I want to hear the head of Federal prisons take the stand and say "Uh Garsh we never thought of putting one a them thar cameras in thar. That's a good idear!!!" Jeez Looueez

Look what happened to Mueller's old pal Whitey Bolger, the Irish mob kingpin from Boston. He was transferred to a prison where known-associates of guys he testified against were housed...and put in general population...he was beaten to death in a matter of hours. Mueller covered up the fact several FBI agents in the Boston offiice were on Bolger's payroll.

Covered up/ Huh?> It's been general knowledge for decades that Bolger was a snitch for the FBI..Hell, they even made a movie about it. ***sheesh***

 

[Lewdog]

I found a death row inmate who choked himself out with a sheet, and his face was purple. He was nearly done. If I remember right his just used his bed for support, wasn't much to it.

But I wouldn't be shocked if Epstein was taken out. Somehow MANY Clinton associates end up dead serving the Clinton's best interests at opportune times. I wouldn't want to know them.

Had to be a bunk bed with your inmate....otherwise the frame would only be two feet off the floor. Remember what the guy said...no bars, nothing to hang yourself from.

You can hang yourself on the end of a bunk that is only a few feet off the floor. They simply lean into it and put all their weight forward.

 

[WillPower]

It ain't Clinton I'd be looking at.

He was taken off suicide watch only six days after an attempted suicide. Clinton didn't do that

His cell mate was pulled several days before the final suicide attempt. Clinton didn't do that

Billy Barr is head of the Justice Department ya know

He never had a cellmate....he was too high-profile. There was no previous "suicide-attempt"....whoever got to him the first time kept at it long enough the second time. I never said Clinton had him murdered, only with the Clinton's record of sketchy "suicides" who could testify against them, he's the first I'd look at. If there are video tapes as they claim, and the guy was a blackmailer, the list of suspects will reach far and wide.

 

[Obiwan]

 

[WillPower]

Covered up/ Huh?> It's been general knowledge for decades that Bolger was a snitch for the FBI..Hell, they even made a movie about it. ***sheesh***

Oh? and how many Boston FBI agents were fired or indicted? Can anybody read around here????

 

[BULLDOG]

Why would I want to bother refuting some silly accusation? The OP is silly crap. You can't make it more than that.

That was quick....do you keep a white flag of surrender in your backpack?

If you want to pretend the OP is a real, believable story, you can also believe I surrendered. It's not like you will reconnect to reality any time soon anyway.

 

[WillPower]

You can hang yourself on the end of a bunk that is only a few feet off the floor. They simply lean into it and put all their weight forward.

Sure thing dumbass...and when they pass out their legs stay stiff?.....take a hike.

 

[Lewdog]

You can hang yourself on the end of a bunk that is only a few feet off the floor. They simply lean into it and put all their weight forward.

Sure thing dumbass...and when they pass out their legs stay stiff?.....take a hike.

It is pretty entertaining watching you make idiotic statements and then continuing to argue them when you have ZERO knowledge of what you are talking about.

Inmates can also kill their self by running and hitting their throat on the edge of a desk or the end of their bed. This is the kind of stuff you learn when you actually work in a prison...

 

[WillPower]

It is pretty entertaining watching you make idiotic statements and then continuing to argue them when you have ZERO knowledge of what you are talking about.

Inmates can also kill their self by running and hitting their throat on the edge of a desk or the end of their bed. This is the kind of stuff you learn when you actually work in a prison...

You're a fucking idiot....and the only jail you've been in was probably your secret dungeon in mom's basement.

 

[Lesh]

He never had a cellmate....he was too high-profile.

Wrong

Jail Broke Rules Night Of Jeffrey Epstein's Death: Report | HuffPost

 

[Lewdog]

It is pretty entertaining watching you make idiotic statements and then continuing to argue them when you have ZERO knowledge of what you are talking about.

Inmates can also kill their self by running and hitting their throat on the edge of a desk or the end of their bed. This is the kind of stuff you learn when you actually work in a prison...

You're a fucking idiot....and the only jail you've been in was probably your secret dungeon in mom's basement.

Hey you just continue being an ignorant court jester, you're good at it. You don't have the slightest clue what inmates can do in prison. Hell I doubt you have ever seen a real prison cell... they aren't like the county or city jail you have probably spent a night in for being an idiot... I can see you being one of those jerk offs that get drunk and belligerent, even when a cop tells you to just walk home or grab a cab, you stand there and keep mouthing off until you get arrested because you just can't keep your mouth shut for two minutes.

So that drunk tank with 8 other guys isn't the kind of cell Epstein was in, but you'll probably argue that too.

 

[Andylusion]

This guy prefers to stay anonymous....He's been in the cell block Epstein was on....more than once. He says the guards are sadistic and enjoy tormenting the inmates...they're not cops...they're bruisers...jail bouncers. Here's how he describes the cell Epstein was in...he could have made a noose but there's nothing to attach it to.

"Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.
You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.
Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars.
They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper.
Nothing hard or made of metal. There’s up to 80 people there."

The source also says there are video cameras but they aren't aimed into the cells...only on the doors. So the first thing the FBI will look at is the video footage. It's all chain-finger marked and encrypted/watermarked so if an attempt is made to alter it, a DVR won't copy the forgery.

Jeffrey Epstein's Death Likely Not Captured by Cameras and Guards Didn't Check on Him
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https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

Yeah that bugs me a bit. So you are saying that the guy almost died once, and they didn't have a camera on him? How is that possible? I was under the impression that when someone is under a suicide watch, that they are monitored constantly, and have every possible method of self-harm removed.

So how did this guy die?

 

[WillPower]

Yeah that bugs me a bit. So you are saying that the guy almost died once, and they didn't have a camera on him? How is that possible? I was under the impression that when someone is under a suicide watch, that they are monitored constantly, and have every possible method of self-harm removed.

So how did this guy die?

No cameras that see inside the cell...only the door....even inmates have a right to take a crap in private. He was choked to death by somebody with bad intent...no physical way he could have done it himself.

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah that bugs me a bit. So you are saying that the guy almost died once, and they didn't have a camera on him? How is that possible? I was under the impression that when someone is under a suicide watch, that they are monitored constantly, and have every possible method of self-harm removed.

So how did this guy die?

No cameras that see inside the cell...only the door....even inmates have a right to take a crap in private. He was choked to death by somebody with bad intent...no physical way he could have done it himself.

Yeah, but even then..... so we had to have seen the individual walk in there. People under suicide watch are isolated. So someone had to walk in that door. There is no way that wasn't caught on camera, and they can tell the time of death roughly, so they can check who entered before his death.

 

[WillPower]

Hey you just continue being an ignorant court jester, you're good at it. You don't have the slightest clue what inmates can do in prison. Hell I doubt you have ever seen a real prison cell... they aren't like the county or city jail you have probably spent a night in for being an idiot... I can see you being one of those jerk offs that get drunk and belligerent, even when a cop tells you to just walk home or grab a cab, you stand there and keep mouthing off until you get arrested because you just can't keep your mouth shut for two minutes.

So that drunk tank with 8 other guys isn't the kind of cell Epstein was in, but you'll probably argue that too.

Take a long walk on a short pier, pissant.

 

[WillPower]

Yeah, but even then..... so we had to have seen the individual walk in there. People under suicide watch are isolated. So someone had to walk in that door. There is no way that wasn't caught on camera, and they can tell the time of death roughly, so they can check who entered before his death.

Did you read the OP???????

 

[Lesh]

Yeah, but even then..... so we had to have seen the individual walk in there. People under suicide watch are isolated. So someone had to walk in that door. There is no way that wasn't caught on camera, and they can tell the time of death roughly, so they can check who entered before his death.

Did you read the OP???????

Did you?


12:45 PM PT -- The New York Times just reported the guards at the facility did NOT follow protocol and check on Epstein every 30 minutes, leaving him to his own devices. They also reported and we have confirmed Epstein's cellmate had been transferred out so he had been left alone, without proper monitoring.

Jeffrey Epstein's death may never be conclusively determined, because we're told standard practice in the area where he was detained is that cameras do not point inside cells.

Sources familiar with the correctional facility in question tell TMZ, there are cameras in the Special Housing Unit -- the SHU -- but SOP is that cameras do not point into the cells. We're told cameras capture, among other things, the doors to each cell to determine if anyone walks in or out, but they don't point inside.

Christ you're a dope

One source familiar with the facility says the drill is for guards to pass by each cell in intervals ranging from 15 to 30 minutes depending on the circumstances.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Yeah that bugs me a bit. So you are saying that the guy almost died once, and they didn't have a camera on him? How is that possible? I was under the impression that when someone is under a suicide watch, that they are monitored constantly, and have every possible method of self-harm removed.

So how did this guy die?

No cameras that see inside the cell...only the door....even inmates have a right to take a crap in private. He was choked to death by somebody with bad intent...no physical way he could have done it himself.

Bullshit! You know nothing--and yet you state your ignorance with such certainty! No physical way indeed. you don't know that..you can't know that. You should be embarrassed at putting your ignorance on display..yet you prattle on....and on.


Short drop/simple suspension | Lost All Hope: The web's leading suicide resource
Suicide/Ligature strangulation - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

"Whilst generally the literature considers asphyxiation via constriction of the airway as the main cause of death in short drop hanging, Stone1 does discuss how short drop hanging can take place without the pain and discomfort of the airway being blocked. The idea is to have enough pressure from the noose on the right side of the head, just below the jaw, to constrict the carotid artery. Interrupting the blood flow to the brain causes swift unconsciousness (in 15 seconds or less2), then what should be death in five to ten minutes.

Likewise, death can also be achieved by constricting the jugular vein under the left side of the jaw, which prevents blood from getting back to the heart.

Stone1 also discusses the amount of pressure require to constrict the blood vessels to and from the head. Whilst the jugular might be constricted with only 2kg (4 ½ lbs) of pressure, the carotid would need 5kg (11lbs), but these figures do vary from person to person and with the width of the rope (or whatever else is used around the neck).
Effective strangulation could be achieved by simply bending the knees, putting them on the floor, sitting or lying down. In one study of hangings by Simonsen4, 63% of the victims were in contact with the ground.

The key is that whatever position is assumed, whether that be lying, kneeling or feet lightly on the ground, the noose tightens sufficiently to constrict the blood vessels and/or airway. Noting of course, that in some positions it might be easy to stop the hanging by releasing the pressure. The intention with this method would be for the blood flow to/from the head to be constricted quickly thereby achieving a swift loss of consciousness.

Stone1 does discuss the possibility of achieving suspension in such a way so as to put the necessary pressure on the blood vessels to/from the face (at its side), without constricting the airway. The positioning of the knot could be important here, as the knot's position is where the least pressure is applied to the neck. According to a study by JL Luke5, the most popular location of the knot in successful suicidal hangings is on the left, closely followed by the right and back of the neck. Only 5% of successful suicidal hangings in this study had the knot at the front of the neck."

If you don't believe this, i would recommend testing it out..and letting us know!