Former Trump aide Kash Patel set to testify in Mar-a-Lago docs probe: report

[meaner gene]

who said he only declassified one copy?

That was the claim Trumps people made.

 

[struth]

The president has the power to fire any of his appointed advisors. That's undisputed.

But can the president do it by just "thinking" about firing them.

Does the president have to tell anybody, or can he keep it secret from everybody, including the person he "thought" about firing.

how is a person the same as a document? horrible comparison

 

[g5000]

provide us with the federal code that states he has to make a loud proclamation..

"A loud proclamation."

I HEREBY DECLASSIFY THIS STUFF AND MAKE IT MINE!

 

[struth]

"A loud proclamation."

I HEREBY DECLASSIFY THIS STUFF AND MAKE IT MINE!

so you can’t provide us with the law you claim exist?

 

[meaner gene]

provide us with the federal code that states he has to make a loud proclamation..

Actually the US Supreme Court has ruled on other presidential powers, requiring that formal procedures be followed to carry them out.

 

[g5000]

Trump is hoaxing the rubes. Again. For the gazillionth time.

You know how you can tell?

Because his lawyers are not making the argument in court that he declassified them. They don't want to go to jail for perjury and lose their licenses to practice law.

That's how.

 

[struth]

Actually the US Supreme Court has ruled on other presidential powers, requiring that formal procedures be followed to carry them out.

can you provide me with the SCOTUS ruling that states the president has to proclaim out loud the documents are declassified?

 

[struth]

Trump is hoaxing the rubes. Again. For the gazillionth time.

You know how you can tell?

Because his lawyers are not making the argument in court that he declassified them. They don't want to go to jail for perjury and lose their licenses to practice law.

That's how.

Where would they need to raise that defense?

lawyers don’t go to jail for perjury for raising a defense dumbass

 

[meaner gene]

how is a person the same as a document? horrible comparison

They are both objects the president has the power to change the status of.

 

[g5000]

[urlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/22/us/politics/trump-documents-declassification.html]

Trump Claims He Declassified Documents. Why Don’t His Lawyers Say So in Court?[/url]​

Former President Donald J. Trump claimed on Wednesday that when he was in the White House, his powers were so broad he could declassify virtually any document by simply “thinking about it.”

Whaaaat? Not even a loud proclamation?



The court wrote that there was “no evidence that any of these records were declassified” and took note of the fact that, when Mr. Trump’s lawyers appeared before Judge Dearie this week, they too “resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents.”

The appellate panel went on to declare that the declassification issue, which Mr. Trump has repeatedly thrust at the center of the case, was “a red herring” that would not have factored into its ruling even if it had been extensively argued before them. Even if Mr. Trump had in fact declassified the records, the judges wrote, he was still bound by federal law, including the Presidential Records Act, that required him to return all government documents, classified or unclassified, when he left office.

 

[struth]

They are both objects the president has the power to change the status of.

sure…so what? that doesn’t mean a person and a document are the samething…geez

 

[struth]

[urlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/22/us/politics/trump-documents-declassification.html]

Trump Claims He Declassified Documents. Why Don’t His Lawyers Say So in Court?[/url]​

Former President Donald J. Trump claimed on Wednesday that when he was in the White House, his powers were so broad he could declassify virtually any document by simply “thinking about it.”

Whaaaat? Not even a loud proclamation?



The court wrote that there was “no evidence that any of these records were declassified” and took note of the fact that, when Mr. Trump’s lawyers appeared before Judge Dearie this week, they too “resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents.”

The appellate panel went on to declare that the declassification issue, which Mr. Trump has repeatedly thrust at the center of the case, was “a red herring” that would not have factored into its ruling even if it had been extensively argued before them. Even if Mr. Trump had in fact declassified the records, the judges wrote, he was still bound by federal law, including the Presidential Records Act, that required him to return all government documents, classified or unclassified, when he left office.

nobody said he didn’t have to comply with the Presidential Records Act…which he was actively working with the NA on…but that’s not a criminal code and violation not a crime.

 

[g5000]

so you can’t provide us with the law you claim exist?

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow

Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.

www.verifythis.com

Now see if you can stretch your alleged brain and figure out why there are procedures to declassify documents beyond Trump's magical thinking.

 

[meaner gene]

can you provide me with the SCOTUS ruling that states the president has to proclaim out loud the documents are declassified?

I can site the US Supreme Court nullifying a presidential pardon that didn't follow procedures.

I can site the US Supreme Court nullifying a presidential appointment, that didn't follow procedures.

 

[g5000]

Let me give you tards a hint.

Top Secret documents can cause extremely grave harm to the United States if compromised.

Gosh. Then why can't someone's magical mind just declassify them, I wonder?

DURRRR

 

[meaner gene]

sure…so what? that doesn’t mean a person and a document are the samething…geez

There are the same requirements to change their status under law.

The president can't issue an executive order, just by thinking about it.

 

[g5000]

nobody said he didn’t have to comply with the Presidential Records Act…which he was actively working with the NA on…but that’s not a criminal code and violation not a crime.

Oh, it most certainly is, my credulous friend!

See 18 U.S.C. § 793(e)

 

[Seymour Flops]

The president can't issue a pardon without DOJ putting it into correct legal format, and delivering it to the person being pardoned.

Even the presidents absolute pardon power requires he tell his minions to do the paperwork.

The fact that you can't declassify one "copy" of a document. It's all of them, or none of them. So even the president has to tell the people who classified the information, that he's declassifying it.

Wrong on both counts, unless you can cite the part of the constitution that requires paperwork for minions to do in order for the president to exercise his presidential powers.

 

[g5000]

See also 18 U.S.C. § 1519

See also 18 U.S.C. § 2071

 

[meaner gene]

nobody said he didn’t have to comply with the Presidential Records Act…which he was actively working with the NA on…but that’s not a criminal code and violation not a crime.

Actually violation can lead to criminal charges, if that violation involves other crimes. Such as theft of government property, by not turning it over to the National Archives.